Hit on Warner was Cheap and should have been flagged! Hines Ward rule

[Cards_Campos]

1 more thing. When he Crushed Warner...The sideline went Crazy happy...and McCray acted like he won the SUperbowl. He didnt check on him..he didnt signal anyone over. It was classless....I dont care what any of you think. He USED a situation to VIOLENTLY crush Warner. They are (p)wussy plays by defensive players who want to tee off on a player who has no idea they are coming. PERIOD!! Football or not... The point is to tackle or block the other team...Not hurt them...and trust me there is a differerence.......

 

[MoeIsBetter]

You guys all realize that after the game McCray went looking for Warner and appologized? When asked about the hit after the game he gave a sick looking look and said he didn't want to talk about it and the rest of his team came to his side before any more questions and said it was a hell of a block? This is not a guy that goes after QB's and it's not a guy that EVER gets flagged for late hits. He's a good kid and football player and made an outstanding block on the guy closest to the ball.

Anybody have video of any Indy, GB, or NE games? Watch ANY of those QB's throw picks and then don't even move towards the ball. They know what will happen. Kurt went after the ball carrier and got smashed. His fault.

If Kurt was jogging to the sideline and got smashed, that's one thing. But that is NOT what happened on Sat. Even Kurt said it was a clean block and that's what football is all about. Sometimes you're in the right place at the right time or in Kurts case, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Billy Flynt]

Watching both plays several times, they look freaking identical to me. I understand that is football but if the league saw fit to make a rule against the play, then you need to recognize it when it happens. It will be interesting to see if the league takes notice.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Moe that may be true. Bobby might be a good kid. But to say Kurt Should have ran off the field or not get involved. He threw a 8 yard pass that was intercepted 6 yards in front of him...Where else was he going to go...In fact his momentum pretty much took him towards the players. Since the Lineman INT'd it so close. He might have felt bad....But I think that is why those plays are so dangerous. The Defensive player wants so badly to tee off on a offensive player in those situations...Be the blocker instead of the blockee. I guess we will see if any fines come out. If not then no harm no foul. If they do..then it was illegal.

 

[Syracusecards]

Dude, if you look at it, he hits him with his shoulder which causes Kurt's head to jolt back into his helmet. That was a clean hit.

It's the equivalent of stepping on a rake.

 

[Syracusecards]

ok so I just watched this hit a few times and mccray leads with his shoulder and hits warner squarely on his right front pec. the hit was so hard that it gave warner a whiplash effect with his head as his body was going one way his head went toward mccray so the helmets did hit but it was more from the origanl hit causing body parts to go ceartain ways. If you say this is an illegal hit then we could call helmet to helmet hits on almost every play cause i see a lot of helmets hit each other but its more from the origanl hits causing momentuem of body parts to go ceartain ways. I would like to thank the card fans that support that was a legal hit... and for the card fans that want to say that was a cheap helmet to helmet hit then i have to ask where were you last week on the helmet to helmet hit the cards did on rodgers at the end of the game?... any wasys yall had a good seson and best of luck to you next year WHO DAT!!

what he said.

 

[azsportsfan01]

This is the one time where it is completely legal to destroy the quarterback. It was a totally legal hit and everyone here is upset because it happened to Warner. Say Dockett did that to Brees I would imagine everyone would be jumping around, hooting and hollering like Saints fans were. Everyone needs to let it go. It was legal, lets move on.

 

[Syracusecards]

I recall a play where a defender had a QB in his grasp and let him go because he thought either the whistle was blown or he would get flagged for roughing the QB (I think it was a Giant's LB), and the QB got away and threw a TD or a completion. This game is turning offensive players into Nancy's. Let them play. Quit whining, celebrate our season, and move on. It was a clean hit.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I thought the play should have been a penalty as well. The problem is that it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Rats]

Campos is right this falls under the Hines Ward rule and will most likely draw a fine from the league. It was not a helmet to helmet hit so stop saying it was Pack and Saint fans. We know it was not helmet to helmet but it was an illegal play that was gotten away with. The Cards went after Rodgers because we played him 3 times this season and he was brash and doing his little belt dance after every score to try and degrade the NFC champion Cards. Warner has not gone out of his way to show up the other team on the field like Rodgers and the Pack did. Kurt will say football is football but the hit was against the rule of blindsiding a player on a turnover. If he had been seriously hurt there would be a lot more people upset about it. As it is we had a good season and we lost to a very good team and hope they make the SB. Shockey is the only one I dislike on that team. He has no class but everyone knows that.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Who cares if it was a legal hit or not. The fact remains that it was an unnecessary hit & one that the Cardinals should have retaliated against. With the game pretty much already decided, we should have taken the 15 yd penalty & even an ejection & knocked Brees unconscious. What happens in baseball when your pitcher is thrown at? No matter what, there is always retaliation. There has to be! You can't allow your most valuable player to be hit like that away from the play. Call it dirty, call it whatever you want.

You can't end a persons career or physically harm a person for the rest of their life in baseball like you can in football. There is absolutely no room for retaliation in football and Brees is probably the classiest guy in the entire league. Warner went to make a play after the pick and took a shot. The refs deemed it a clean hit, Warner doesn't seem to have a problem with it and I suspect the league won't either, so neither should we. The better team won last Saturday, hats off to the Saints and good luck the rest of the way to them. I hope they take it all, they deserve it, their fans deserve it, and the city most certainly deserves it. Plus it's good for us since we will be able to say that the Cards lost to the Super Bowl Champions.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The refs deemed it a clean hit,

Just because the refs didn't call a penalty doesn't mean it was a clean hit.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Just because the refs didn't call a penalty doesn't mean it was a clean hit.

It was a hard hit but I don't think it was a penalty. My point was that we should not be so worried about a "non-call" that clearly would not have effected the outcome of the game. I can see the argument of a dirty hit if Warner was jogging to the sidelines, but he wasn't. Football is a tough sport and Warner went to make a play and was hit. We have some of the classiest fans on this board and complaining about a hard hit after a 45-14 beatdown makes us look like sore losers. I guess we will find out on Thursday if this was a clean hit or not.

 

[earthsci]

Kurt will say football is football but the hit was against the rule of blindsiding a player on a turnover.

There is no rule against blindsiding a player. The rule is the you can't hit the helmet when you blindside them. If that means any contact at all due to momentum, then yeah, he'll get fined, but the Saints player hit Warner on the shoulder. He wasn't going for Warner's helmet.

 

[Rats]

There is no rule against blindsiding a player. The rule is the you can't hit the helmet when you blindside them. If that means any contact at all due to momentum, then yeah, he'll get fined, but the Saints player hit Warner on the shoulder. He wasn't going for Warner's helmet.

He clearly carried thru and had helmet to helmet contact. I was saying that we are not looking for a flag for helmet to helmet contact but rather the blindside rule which also includes helmet to helmet. There are 2 elements to that. Either way my complaint with Pack fans is that they want to argue we had no right to go after Rodgers when we clearly did when he was trying to rub our nose in it like a jackass all three games. I really have no problem seeing it both ways on Kurt except there was a blindside( one element) and there was a helmet meeting a helmet( second element). I feel there was intent and it was a cheap shot but that is debatable. We will see if he gets a fine.

 

[earthsci]

He clearly carried thru and had helmet to helmet contact. I was saying that we are not looking for a flag for helmet to helmet contact but rather the blindside rule which also includes helmet to helmet. There are 2 elements to that. Either way my complaint with Pack fans is that they want to argue we had no right to go after Rodgers when we clearly did when he was trying to rub our nose in it like a jackass all three games. I really have no problem seeing it both ways on Kurt except there was a blindside( one element) and there was a helmet meeting a helmet( second element). I feel there was intent and it was a cheap shot but that is debatable. We will see if he gets a fine.

I respect that.

 

[CardLogic]

You can't end a persons career or physically harm a person for the rest of their life in baseball like you can in football.

Tell that to Tony Conigliaro...

I'm just sayin.

 

[CardinalChris]

Clean hit and he was actively pursuing the ball carrier, not jogging down the field and got a cheap shot. No problem with the hit except that it happened to our QB. Nor was it a blindside hit. Hargrove's helmet was in front of Warner. The only problem is Kurt wasn't looking to his right.

 

[john h]

The rule was placed just for that reason...BLind siding players with high hits. Look at the replay ...their helmets connected... Here is the rule

"The third accepted proposal involves a play in which Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Hines Ward made a block that resulted in a broken jaw for Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Keith Rivers. A 15-yard penalty will be enforced if a player delivers a blindside block to the head of a defender using his helmet, forearm or shoulder. The penalty will be enforced if a helmet, shoulder or forearm strikes the head or neck of the defender."

That play was cheap, illegal and he should be banned next game. It is exactly what Hines Ward does...tees off on a player who had no idea someone was coming....I hope in fact the player from new Orleans blows out every ligament in both knees. and must be moved to the front office. Because when you read and know this rule....The Cardinals should have taken out Brees till next year...sorry but you fight for your General...and it was a cheap play.

Watch him get fined ALOT of money.....look up the rule if you guys doubt it.

Warner was hit in the chest. X-Rays of his chest yesterday confirmed no broken ribs, etc. It indeed was an ugly hit but most do not think it was a cheap shot. There were two times when the Saints could have taken Warner to the ground but instead held him upright. Sort of classy moves to a standup guy. Also note Warner did not just stand around after the turnover he made a move to go after the runner. No all QB's do that.

 

[earthsci]

There were two times when the Saints could have taken Warner to the ground but instead held him upright. Sort of classy moves to a standup guy.

Yep. One play Fujita grabbed Warner and was starting to tackle Kurt as he was throwing the ball. As they were going to the ground Fujita turned underneath Kurt so that Kurt would land on Fujita. Fujita could have driven Kurt into the ground without a flag.

 

[Treefiddy]

The only thing that bothers me about the hit is I'm pretty sure that hit seals the deal on him retiring.

I'd say he was like 60/40 on retiring before the game, now it's like 95/5.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Alot of you guys said Warner didn't complain about the hit huh? Here is a quote from Darren Urban today. It is from an article on Kurt.

"Perspective changed drastically this season when he suffered his concussion in St. Louis. With all the talk in the league about long-term concussion effects, Warner took it all to heart. And he wasn’t happy with what he perceived as defenders intentionally going after his head once he returned to the field (including twice by the Saints)."

Gee ..He didnt think any hits were cheap huh? Saints tried to hold him up huh? Well in KURTS own Words he thought the Saints not only once went cheap but twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look up Darren Urbans blog for today...Tuesday.

 

[Zeno]

Alot of you guys said Warner didn't complain about the hit huh? Here is a quote from Darren Urban today. It is from an article on Kurt.

"Perspective changed drastically this season when he suffered his concussion in St. Louis. With all the talk in the league about long-term concussion effects, Warner took it all to heart. And he wasn’t happy with what he perceived as defenders intentionally going after his head once he returned to the field (including twice by the Saints)."

Gee ..He didnt think any hits were cheap huh? Saints tried to hold him up huh? Well in KURTS own Words he thought the Saints not only once went cheap but twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look up Darren Urbans blog for today...Tuesday.

Neither of us know for sure but I am willing to bet he is talking about the 2 blows he took to the head on sacks--one was called and one was not. The block was not to his head but to his chest & shoulder--they even mention in the blog that he was having trouble breathing and feared rib injury--which is normally the case when you get hit in the lungs. They never mentioned concussion issues, vision problems or headaches.