How about Jamal Crawford?

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He will be the best available PG in free agency this offseason. He is only 24 years old.

He wouldn't cost so much we could still get a center as well (might be close if we don't dump White).

17ppg 5.2apg 3.5rpg 1.4spg but was playing out of position a lot with Hinrich playing PG.

He is shooting only 39% for the season but that might be a Bulls thing.

Hinrich who was considered a great shooter shoots only 38% for them.
 
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Jamal Crawford won't necessarily consider himself part of the Bulls this summer until something changes.

He is planning to put his home in Libertyville up for sale, just to be ready for anything once he becomes a restricted free agent on July 1.

"It's going to be an interesting summer," Crawford said after Tuesday's practice at the Berto Center. "I'm really looking forward to it, just to see how things shake out - if I'm here, if I'm not."

Crawford knows, though, that his status won't bring complete freedom. As a restricted free agent, the Bulls will be able to match any offer he receives from another team.

The 6-foot-5 guard has bigger fans in the world than Bulls general manager John Paxson. But it wouldn't be a wise move for the Bulls to let Crawford walk away with nothing in return.

"I feel like I'm in a win-win situation," Crawford said. "I'll be able to explore my options and go from there."

Crawford has been benched a few times in recent weeks. Last Saturday's loss to Miami was understandable. Crawford felt ill that day and hit just 1 of 10 shots.

On March 27 in Atlanta, however, Crawford hit 5 of 11 shots and the man he was guarding (Bob Sura) didn't do much. Still, Crawford sat for the final 19 minutes.

"It isn't always shooting with me," said Bulls coach Scott Skiles, who is clearly tired of playing-time questions. "Like we have many times, I go to the bench and shuffle the deck and see if we can get something going."

Crawford doesn't think such episodes will hurt his value this summer. Overall, he's averaged 16.9 points and 5.2 assists in his fourth NBA season, while shooting 38.6 percent from the field.

He's quick enough to get past most defenders and can shoot the lights out when he's on. But Crawford still needs work on shot selection and defense.

"I've shown enough this year where people can judge me," he said. "Good or bad, I've shown enough. When the season's over, I'll have played 80 games. I only missed two games when I fell on my neck and I played 35 minutes a night.

"If I'm sitting out a game here or there, I don't think that's enough for them to say, 'It's for this reason.' I mean, I was never a problem on my team. I matured a lot. I think everybody's noticed that."

Crawford, 24, recently dumped agent Arn Tellem and may return to his original NBA agent, Seattle-based Aaron Goodwin. Whoever is making the sales pitch, Crawford wants to emphasize his improvement this season.

"I'm going to improve even more next year," he said. "My first year, I didn't play a lot. Second year I was hurt. Third year I didn't start playing until the second half of the year (after backing up Jay Williams). This is my first full year where I've played. It only gets better from here, I think."

Crawford said he has no salary figures in mind for this summer. It is conceivable that he won't get an offer sheet from another team.

Of the teams with salary-cap room, some (San Antonio, Los Angeles Clippers) are in good shape at guard, while others (Denver, Utah, Phoenix, Atlanta) are young teams that might prefer a veteran free agent.

The rest of the NBA teams are over the salary cap and can only offer the mid-level exception, worth about $5 million. The Bulls figure to match that, so why bother making a formal offer?

Atlanta's Jason Terry received a three-year, $25-million offer from Utah last year, which the Hawks matched. That's a sum the Bulls probably wouldn't match, but it may be a long shot that any team would go that high for Crawford.

Crawford hasn't played for winning teams, but that didn't stop Denver from making Andre Miller a large offer last year. Crawford thinks he might get more interest this summer than people expect.

"I've improved all areas of my game, so I don't see why I wouldn't get (an offer)," he said. "It's just going to be an interesting summer."
 

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He will be the best available PG in free agency this offseason.

Except maybe for Jay Williams.
 

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Couldn't wait until next week, huh? :D

Seriously, I wouldn't mind Crawford, but even at the mid-level, he'd be too expensive--ESPECIALLY if Milos comes to town.
 
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Of course I should have said the best "younger" PG since Payton and Nash COULD opt out this offseason.

I would give Crawford slightly more than the MLE. I would rather have him than Quentin Richardson for the same price probably.
What makes him valueable is his ability to play 2 positions almost equally as well so even if Milos is good Crawford can play SG and his playmaking ability will help Milos or Barbosa.

Seriously. The best plan aside from going for Kobe might be to add depth. If we dump White..

We could offer and realistically get 3 good players for slightly over the MLE like Swift, Richardson, Brent Barry and Crawford. All for slightly above the MLE. Sign our lottery pick, Vujanic and McDyess.

Even if it would be redundant to sign Swift, Richardson and Crawford. We would secure valueable trade assets. Our backcourt would be Crawford/Johnson with Richardson as the 6th man backing up Crawford so JJ moves to the 1, backing up JJ, backing up Marion so JJ moves to the 3.
 
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There's no way the Suns look at a young FA point guard until Vujanic is signed, sealed and delivered.

If Crawford is available again in 2005, then maybe. ;)
 
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Well would you rather have Vujanic or Crawford? They are about the same age and Crawford has already proved he can play.

You don't even know if

1. Vujanic is any good in the NBA
2. Vujanic even wants to join the Suns before his contract is up
3. The Suns want to spend enough money to get a little proven foreign PG out of his contract.
 

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slinslin said:
Well would you rather have Vujanic or Crawford? They are about the same age and Crawford has already proved he can play.

You don't even know if

1. Vujanic is any good in the NBA
2. Vujanic even wants to join the Suns before his contract is up
3. The Suns want to spend enough money to get a little proven foreign PG out of his contract.

4. Vujanic will be a lot cheaper than Crawford will be, because the Suns don't have to outbid other NBA teams for his rights
5. If the Suns dump Vujanic without getting a good look at him, they'll be admitting that the Marbury trade was about JC cashing out
6. The Suns are already talking about Vujanic as though he'll be here next year--which doesn't say he's actually going to be here, but it does signify the team's intent.

Besides, "Crawford has already proved he can play" is seriously overstating your case. If Crawford is that good already, why is an 18-win team looking to dump him?
 
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The Bulls are a mess.

But if you can score 17ppg and dish out 5apg from the 2-guard spot that says something no matter how many wins your NBA team has.

The Marbury trade wasn't about Vujanic. It was about getting caproom. I don't understand how it would mean the Suns were cashing out if they didn't sign Vujanic but spend the money on other quality FAs.

It would be good to keep Vujanic over in europe until 2005 anyway. We have his rights, he won't be under contract and signing him won't hurt out capspace we can just use part of the MLE then.
 

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I haven't seen much of Crawford but he seems like the type of player the Suns should be looking at. Backcourt depth is severly lacking and I think Crawford has shown he can play and score.

I would not get in a bidding war for him but he is definately worthy of consideration this summer depending on where and who they draft.
 

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I believe it's contingent on what direction the Suns will go in the draft...

If they don't select a "big man", then that's the only type of player they must focus on during FA.....

They obviously lack anyone who is intimidating on the defensive-end and also that inside physical presence on the offensive end....

Crawford's attributes (albeit better than what the Suns currently have to a lesser degree) is quite similar to what the Suns currently have....
 

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I'm sorry, but IMO this is a worse idea than signing Rasheed Wallace. Crawford is exactly the type of player the Phoenix Suns DON'T need. He's a streaky shooter. He's injury prone. To say he is not a good defender is an understatement. He is a piss poor defender. No thanks.

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Joe Mama said:
I'm sorry, but IMO this is a worse idea than signing Rasheed Wallace wound. Crawford is exactly the type of player the Phoenix Suns DON'T need. He's a streaky shooter. He's injury prone. To say he is not a good defender is an understatement. He is a piss poor defender. No thanks.

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Not to mention he doesn't even begin to fill a need on this team......
 

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The Bulls are a mess.

But if you can score 17ppg and dish out 5apg from the 2-guard spot that says something no matter how many wins your NBA team has.

Remember when the LA Clippers thought the same thing about Andre Miller after he lead the league in APG with a horrible team???

I hear that worked out well for them.
 
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He is a much better PG right now than anything we have, so he fills a need and could also cover minutes at the 2.

If we can't get Kobe do you really want to wait another season to use our capspace? When we have to resign JJ too.
They say this FA class is thin but it is just average. With the current CBA there won't be big FA classes anymore because most interessting players will always be restricted FAs.
 

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He is better than Barbosa at this point, and I dont know a ton about Vujanic (at least not compared to you), although I would assume they are pretty close.

Not to mention JJ at the point, and CJ at the 2g as well. Don't forget about Eisley, although he will hopefully sit the year, he is still on our depth chart.


It is a lot of money to throw at someone. This seems more like a spending money because we have it kind of thing. I would prefer the suns are judicial this time around, even if we dont use all our cap.
 

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thegrahamcrackr said:
He is better than Barbosa at this point, and I dont know a ton about Vujanic (at least not compared to you), although I would assume they are pretty close.

Not to mention JJ at the point, and CJ at the 2g as well. Don't forget about Eisley, although he will hopefully sit the year, he is still on our depth chart.


It is a lot of money to throw at someone. This seems more like a spending money because we have it kind of thing. I would prefer the suns are judicial this time around, even if we dont use all our cap.
I couldnt agree more on your post..... Why would the Suns spend on a "lesser need" for the sake of spending money? They already have a surplus of PGs anyways and the "jury is out" on whether or not Barbosa will develop into a NBA starting calibre guard and Vujanic might make a more immediate impact than anyone expects....

They must do anything at all cost to acquire that prolific rebounder, shot-blocker or else they'll never contend in the West Conf.....
 

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KingLouieLouie said:
They must do anything at all cost to acquire that prolific rebounder, shot-blocker or else they'll never contend in the West Conf.....

"At all costs" implies overpaying. Which is what we would have to do for the "prolific" rebounders and shot blockers that are available.

Personally, overpaying for a stiff that might block a shot and a half a game is not worth it. Just keep McDyess, I say. And definitely make a go at Kobe Bryant.
 

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"At all costs" implies overpaying. Which is what we would have to do for the "prolific" rebounders and shot blockers that are available.

Personally, overpaying for a stiff that might block a shot and a half a game is not worth it. Just keep McDyess, I say. And definitely make a go at Kobe Bryant.

You mean you don't want to get Jerome James?? I hear he might be available.
 
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Who are those prolific rebounders and shot-blockers that the Grizzlies, Kings or Mavs have and the Suns don't?

The Spurs have Duncan AND? The Wolves have Garnett AND? The Lakers have Shaq AND?

The Suns have Amare Stoudemire.

Sure we could use a big guy. But we also need at least one more quality guard.
You can't tell me we cant use a PG because we have a project in Barbosa, a horrible one in Eisley and another project in Vujanic.
Especially because Crawford would be versatile enough to play either position just like JJ. Vujanic and Barbosa could play both spots as well because of Crawford's and JJ's size.
 

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Chaplin said:
"At all costs" implies overpaying. Which is what we would have to do for the "prolific" rebounders and shot blockers that are available.

Personally, overpaying for a stiff that might block a shot and a half a game is not worth it. Just keep McDyess, I say. And definitely make a go at Kobe Bryant.

I guess I use "at all costs" very "loosely" at times....I don't mean to overly spend on a player, especially if he's one dimensional like Jerome James as "thegrahamcrackr" mention.... I mean "at all costs" at just prioritizing it as their main focus this upcoming off-season and consider any rational and innovative idea to make acquiring that "elusive" big man a reality.....

Keeping McDyess is "easier said than done"....Would he be willing to accept a minimal contract to remain a Sun or does he have delusions of grandure that he deserves that long-term lucractive contract?

I personally would love to keep McDyess, however, it's based on if he could remain healthy for any length of contract that he receives... Heck, I would love Marcus Camby to be a Sun if he'd be willing to settle for a 1-yr incentive laiden contract with an option for a 2nd year.....We shall see.....
 

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KingLouieLouie said:
I guess I use "at all costs" very "loosely" at times....I don't mean to overly spend on a player, especially if he's one dimensional like Jerome James as "thegrahamcrackr" mention.... I mean "at all costs" at just prioritizing it as their main focus this upcoming off-season and consider any rational and innovative idea to make acquiring that "elusive" big man a reality.....

Keeping McDyess is "easier said than done"....Would he be willing to accept a minimal contract to remain a Sun or does he have delusions of grandure that he deserves that long-term lucractive contract?

I personally would love to keep McDyess, however, it's based on if he could remain healthy for any length of contract that he receives... Heck, I would love Marcus Camby to be a Sun if he'd be willing to settle for a 1-yr incentive laiden contract with an option for a 2nd year.....We shall see.....

McDyess would be cheaper than any of the other players:
Camby
Okur
Dampier

Those 3 are really the only ones that are worth discussing--and all of them will want more money than we can offer.
 
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We can offer more than 10M$ if we want even if we don't make any trades.

And what players want doesn't dictate what they will get.
 

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slinslin said:
We can offer more than 10M$ if we want even if we don't make any trades.

And what players want doesn't dictate what they will get.

And again, and I don't know why you don't get this through your head, we WILL NOT offer 10M to one of those guys. We probably wouldn't offer more than 6 for them--unfortunately, all 3 will probably demand more than 7.

Okur will want to stay with Detroit--I really don't see any chance the Suns have of getting him.

Dampier will be way too expensive. If he opts out of making 8 million a year, what makes you think he'd sign with the Suns for less? That's just stupid.

As for Camby, he may be the best chance we have, but he has the same exact injury fears that McDyess would have--but it's generally expected that Dice would take a lot less money. And I believe the difference in height between them is only an inch.
 

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