How about Jamal Crawford?

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slinslin said:
Who are those prolific rebounders and shot-blockers that the Grizzlies, Kings or Mavs have and the Suns don't?

The Spurs have Duncan AND? The Wolves have Garnett AND? The Lakers have Shaq AND?

The Suns have Amare Stoudemire.

Sure we could use a big guy. But we also need at least one more quality guard.
You can't tell me we cant use a PG because we have a project in Barbosa, a horrible one in Eisley and another project in Vujanic.
Especially because Crawford would be versatile enough to play either position just like JJ. Vujanic and Barbosa could play both spots as well because of Crawford's and JJ's size.
How many times do the Suns get forced into the trap of attempting a "barrage" of 3-pointers and seldom get it into the "paint" since they have no true inside threat other than Amare.... And since Amare's the only true inside threat, he's always doubled-team on the offensive end and gets boxed-out quite well by the opposition that he rarely gets many offensive rebounds....
Also, why is there always a constant discrepancy in FT attempts? Because again the Suns dont go inside as often as they should....

They just cant afford to overpay on a PG when they may have a solid one in making in either Barbosa or Vujanic...
 

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Chaplin said:
McDyess would be cheaper than any of the other players:
Camby
Okur
Dampier

Those 3 are really the only ones that are worth discussing--and all of them will want more money than we can offer.
McDyess may come cheaper than the other players, but it's based on what type of contract would he be willing to accept?

I agree with what you mentioned on Okur in your last post, especially since the Pistons will immediately resign him after the season ends.... Dampier has never lived-up to his potential and it isnt coincidence that he's actually having one of his better years in his "contract season" in which several teams in every sport always falls into the trap in believing that a player merits a long-term contract on a "small sample size".....
 

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Chaplin said:
Okur will want to stay with Detroit--I really don't see any chance the Suns have of getting him.

Why would Okur want to stay in Detroit, again? Certainly not because of Larry Brown...
 

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Why would Okur want to stay in Detroit, again? Certainly not because of Larry Brown...
He will stay in Detroit since they're going to be perennial contenders year-after-year....That they'll offer him a contract that no other team will be able to match, plus he'll be guaranteed a starting spot w/in the next couple years... Just imagine the tandem of Okur and Darko, that is quite imposing....
 
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With Suns playing well with McDyess at C - I'm still interested in Kenyon Martin if Kobe doesn't sign or McDyess leaves. Tearing apart Nets team would be sweet.
 

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slinslin said:
He is a much better PG right now than anything we have, so he fills a need and could also cover minutes at the 2.

If we can't get Kobe do you really want to wait another season to use our capspace? When we have to resign JJ too.
They say this FA class is thin but it is just average. With the current CBA there won't be big FA classes anymore because most interessting players will always be restricted FAs.

I would rather they saved their money than sign an overrated, injury prone player like Crawford for anything over a few million dollars per season.

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F-Dog said:
Why would Okur want to stay in Detroit, again? Certainly not because of Larry Brown...

You mean as opposed to coming to the Western Conference? I don't think he's that stupid.
 
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Chaplin said:
McDyess would be cheaper than any of the other players:
Camby
Okur
Dampier

Those 3 are really the only ones that are worth discussing--and all of them will want more money than we can offer.

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And again, and I don't know why you don't get this through your head, we WILL NOT offer 10M to one of those guys. We probably wouldn't offer more than 6 for them--unfortunately, all 3 will probably demand more than 7.

Yeah right Chap. :rolleyes:
And you think Okur, Dampier and Camby will get and demand more than 7M$? :shrug:
 
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Chaplin said:
You mean as opposed to coming to the Western Conference? I don't think he's that stupid.
Yeah right, from now on no player taller than 6'10 will move to a western conference team. Rasheed Wallace, Mehmet Okur, nobody wants to play in the West anymore. ;)
 

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I think it's no better than 50-50 that Okur will stay in Detroit. Since Wallace joined the team, Okur's minutes have been way down -- rarely even 20 per game. I don't know what kind of salary finagling Detroit would have to do in order to be able to offer Wallace more than the MLE (they'll be quite a bit under the cap, but I don't know all the rules about renouncing free agents and so forth), but I think if he powers them to a good playoff run, they'll do what they can to keep him. And that means Okur is likely gone.

My guess is that some team in perennial need of help at center (heck, that's nearly everyone) will throw the MLE at Okur and he'll take it. It could even be Phoenix. I really don't like him that much as a player -- he's already almost 25 years old and seems soft, based on what I've seen. But it wouldn't surprise me much to see him come to the Western Conference, maybe to Dallas or Sacramento if Divac leaves.
 

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Why sign Okur when they could trade down and probably draft a better prospect in Martynas Andriuskevicius
 

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Don't get me wrong....I know that Okur is a solid player, but dont the Suns already have Zarko and Lampe who are both comparable to him anyways?
 

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Aren't all the Euro's in draft similar to current Suns players though? I'm not high on Euro's but Lampe looks to have promise and if the 17 year old Asian prospect I saw recently at Hoops Summit is the best of best - I'd prefer to draft a different position or make a trade. Suns have decent big role players already in Maciej, Zarko, and Jake.
 

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One of the things about the Kobe deal is that it is straight forward. Every other use of cap space is incredibly messy, but here are a few thoughts:

1. I don't like bidding on RFA's. Most of the time the team re-signs them and the team is taken out of the FA market for 15 days.

2. Crawford played much better in previous years. Two years ago he shot 47.6%, last year he shot 41.3% and this year he is at 38.6%. His points are up to 16.9 ppg along with his minutes - but the Suns do NOT need another PG who wants to be a big time scorer at the expense of the team. They already have Eisley.

3. Crawford is another "combo guard" who plays PG like an SG - just like Barbosa, Vujanic, Johnson, and I would have to say Eisley. Even if he is better than Barbosa, that is not enough to make me interested.

4. There are likely to be better "deals" available for the money than for Crawford.
 
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50 tonight for that overrated scrub who wouldn't be worth slightly more than what the MLE would be.
 

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I have a feeling by the time next season starts slinslin will have mentioned every possible player in the nba, europe, and college as "what ifs" for the Suns. That way he can tell us all...I told you so! :D
 

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50 tonight for that overrated scrub who wouldn't be worth slightly more than what the MLE would be.

Tony Delk has scored 50 before too. I suppose we should bring him back. :rolleyes:
 

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ehale911 said:
Tony Delk has scored 50 before too. I suppose we should bring him back. :rolleyes:

Tony Delk played better defense and shot better than 38% from the field also.

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Tony Delk also needed 8 years to have one game like that. He also never ever averaged more than 2.6apg in his career.

Crawford is basically in his 3rd year because of that injury in his 2nd.

He scored 42 points earlier this season already.

He is averaging 5.1apg playing out of position at SG. That is almost doubling Tony Delk's career best.

He is also 6'5 so even if he is a tweener like Delk he actually has the size.

And his shooting might have more to do with the horrible Chicago Bulls. I bet when he gets out of there he will explode.
Also more than 1/3 of his FGA are 3pters. He ranks 4th in the NBA in 3pt FGA. Basically his shooting numbers are a duplication of Baron Davis.

Kirk Hinrich is supposedly a great shooter but shoots a worse percentage on the Bulls than Crawford.
 

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Crawford is not a point guard. He is a streaky SG who had a hot night against a lousy defense (Jalen Rose, just back from IR, and Vince Carter).

BTW, if you want to judge a player by just one game, you might as well include Eddy Curry. He scored 25 points and grabbed 12 rebounds while holding Chris Bosh to only 2 of 10 shooting.

The problem is that we know this is not the real Eddy Curry either.
 

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Jamal Crawford could be a decent pick-up but would command a lot of minutes at PG and with Barbosa and Vujanic - I'd still prefer Andre Iguodala in limited minutes, with ability to play G/F as well and a much better defender.

I'd prefer a big Free Agent over a Euro Rookie at F/C as well - although Andris Biedrins could be exception. I'd like Antonio McDyess back but if Suns kept lottery pick, Jahidi White, and then signed Free Agent - there could be a logjam.
 

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BbaLL_31 said:
I'd prefer a big Free Agent over a Euro Rookie at F/C as well - although Andris Biedrins could be exception. I'd like Antonio McDyess back but if Suns kept lottery pick, Jahidi White, and then signed Free Agent - there could be a logjam.

Right now the Suns carry 6 inside guys (CENTER/PF):

Center: McDyess, Voskuhl, Lampe, White
PF: Stoudemire, Harvey

Lampe and McDyess are both PFs who can play center.

I don't see the Suns signing a FA center unless they move White. If they draft a Euro big man, it would mean they would not keep Harvey (which I consider likely).

If the Suns sign McDyess but move White, they may be in the market for a FA big man even if they draft someone. However, they might go with the existing players with the plan of giving Lampe a lot of minutes.

If the Suns don't sign McDyess and move White, they will almost certainly have to make a run at signing a FA center.
 
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Toronto Star: Rap on Carter is legit

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The Raptors are a good defense team. Jalen Rose or not.

Their defensive percent against is pretty good (42.9%) but the recent criticisms of Vince Cartyer suggest that he has not been playing hard lately.

Toronto Star: Rap on Carter is legit

The game was inconsequential, the season long laid to rest. So when Vince Carter waltzed into the lane yesterday, drawing a foul en route to the bucket, the post-whistle elbow to Vinsanity's chest seemed more than a little gratuitous.

But then, Antonio Davis has always been addicted to making public statements. And on a day when the old quote machine made headlines by criticizing Carter's off-season work ethic, maybe he couldn't resist taking a literal shot at his former teammate.

Carter's response was to throw the ball, rather lightly, at Davis' hip. Matching technical fouls were assessed. And this was as close to high drama as you got on Air Canada Centre's hardwood stage.

Now, you can dismiss Davis as a deserter and a manipulator. You can call him a con man for convincing the Raptors to give him a massive contract when he clearly had no intention of ever fulfilling the deal in the northland.

But you can't argue with this: Davis is among the best self-made players in the league, a guy whose natural talent, if he'd relied on it instead of constantly augmenting it, would have landed him a wonderful career in the European bush leagues. The guy knows what a work ethic looks like, because his has given him everything he owns. So his opinion — that Carter's summertime slacking has led to injury and inconsistency — can't be sloughed off entirely as the ranting of a bitter ex-teammate.

"I know he's not a strong believer in weights and other things like that," said Davis of Carter yesterday, "but you have to prepare your body."

Davis isn't the first ex-Raptor to question Carter's dedication to the craft. Keon Clark said it a while back: "(Carter) doesn't want to work for it." Chris Childs piled on soon after: "You expect more from a leader." Charles Oakley, too, had his round-about take: "Vince's heart beats different."

Maybe you can pooh-pooh each of those guys for various reasons, but Carter, no surprise, doesn't want to hear any of it.

"Antonio Davis is not anybody I worry about," Carter said after he fouled out of a 114-108 overtime loss to the Bulls. "I'm going to approach (the off-season) like I need to approach it. And it's helped me. ... I've been here most of the season and I'm going to continue to do what I need to be effective for this team."

Therein lies the problem, of course. Carter, who has missed nine games to injury this season, thinks showing up "most of the season" is good enough. Carter thinks he's being effective, even though he is shooting a career-low 41.7% from the field; even though he has been guilty of half-speeding it through a raft of outings that haven't come close to justifying his $11 million (U.S.) salary.

And if you're a Raptors fan you can only hope that Carter, to be married this summer, will return next season a new man. You can only hope he won't arrive at training camp and admit, like he did this past autumn, that he'd basically taken the summer off from hard-core self-improvement. You can only hope he'll shake off his career-long aversion to serious weight room work. But excuse the faithless.

Carter, after all, still doesn't seem to understand why anyone would care what he does from May through September. Yesterday he was wondering what all the fuss was about.

"I don't get into childish games," he said.

But Davis, even if he was getting his digs in, wasn't fooling around. He was talking frankly about why Carter's all-star career has stagnated.

And you can only hope Carter, after giving Davis the public shrug-off, will acknowledge a point well made. You can only hope he'll realize he's turning 28 in the middle of next season, that his prime will soon enough turn into his twilight, that all this talk only persists because of all the potential that continues to be squandered.
 

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That's all kind of funny coming from Davis, who has mailed it in at least 80% of the time since getting his fat extension. I'm not about to put Vince Carter on a pedestal for exemplary effort, but maybe Davis needs to be told that what you do on the court counts too.
 

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