How are the Cardinals like the Patriots?

[40yearfan]

They are using the Bill Belichick method of building a team. They coach players up. Every notice how it doesn't seem to matter who the Patriots lose? There is always someone able to step in and fill the hole. That's what I see happening with BASK. No real stand-outs. Just a bunch of players playing at or above their abilities. If we can find a real QBOTF, there's no telling how far this team can go. Wouldn't it be nice to have a decade of competence after all the years of failure?

 

[TimTheToolmanTebow]

lol thats funny

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Hard to poke holes in that statement.

I hope we draft a little better than the Patriots have.

Yet, the Cardinals have done a decent job getting mid-range free agents (something the Patriots did before it was cool in the league) for a couple seasons now.

We will see, but one can only hope.

A proving ground for this thought is what happens at NT this offseason.

 

[BigRedMO]

They are using the Bill Belichick method of building a team. They coach players up. Every notice how it doesn't seem to matter who the Patriots lose? There is always someone able to step in and fill the hole. That's what I see happening with BASK. No real stand-outs. Just a bunch of players playing at or above their abilities. If we can find a real QBOTF, there's no telling how far this team can go. Wouldn't it be nice to have a decade of competence after all the years of failure?

I am from the Show-Me State. I will believe it when I see it. It all starts at the owner. I would like to see what the new DC is being paid. The process of his hiring was not inspiring. They did not make the hire until after Super Bowl. They didnt have to wait for an internal hire. Why did they wait? Were they trying for someone else more experienced who turned them down? This new DC is a nobody being asked to step up with the defense at stake which is the best part of the team and the reason they were competitive for most of last year. Big gamble.

 

[kerouac9]

Hard to poke holes in that statement.

It's not really. Start with the personalities between Bill Belicheck and Bruce Arians.

Then move on to the fact that the Pats have the greatest quarterback of his generation.

I think without the pairing of the best head coach of his generation (if not ever) and the best quarterback of his generation, you end up with the Manning teams of the last decade.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I am from the Show-Me State. I will believe it when I see it. It all starts at the owner. I would like to see what the new DC is being paid. The process of his hiring was not inspiring. They did not make the hire until after Super Bowl. They didnt have to wait for an internal hire. Why did they wait? Were they trying for someone else more experienced who turned them down? This new DC is a nobody being asked to step up with the defense at stake which is the best part of the team and the reason they were competitive for most of last year. Big gamble.

Name the D-C for the PATS and how he got his job?

 

[TRW]

Right now, not very much.

Let's revisit this question in a decade or so and the answer probably will be more clear.

IMO the Cardinals are coming up on a real critical period. They can progress or this board will be full of "same old Cardinals".

 

[BigRedMO]

Name the D-C for the PATS and how he got his job?

You wont believe me so read. You tell me the difference.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...-the-making/a301PdyADueaLsByvSt7rO/story.html

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/1/7960593/james-bettcher-cardinals-defensive-coordinator-hire

 

[GuernseyCard]

You wont believe me so read. You tell me the difference.

http://www.boston.com/sports/footba...-the-making/a301PdyADueaLsByvSt7rO/story.html

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/1/7960593/james-bettcher-cardinals-defensive-coordinator-hire

Both guys who came to their teams with limited experience, but bright and we're promoted internally.

 

[BigRedMO]

Both guys who came to their teams with limited experience, but bright and we're promoted internally.

Experience level not even close. NE DC been coaching NE LBs since 2006.

 

[D-Dogg]

It's not really. Start with the personalities between Bill Belicheck and Bruce Arians.

Then move on to the fact that the Pats have the greatest quarterback of his generation.

I think without the pairing of the best head coach of his generation (if not ever) and the best quarterback of his generation, you end up with the Manning teams of the last decade.

That doesn't poke holes in his statement.

His statement is "look, here is one way we are similar to the Patriots" and goes on to talk about something not related to the QB or gameday coaching, or even winning, but rather how they go about building a team and squeezing the most out of their players up and down the roster. He didn't claim that we were the Patriots or as good as them.

 

[D-Dogg]

lol thats funny

Only if you fail at reading comprehension.

 

[AZ Native]

They are using the Bill Belichick method of building a team. They coach players up. Every notice how it doesn't seem to matter who the Patriots lose? There is always someone able to step in and fill the hole. That's what I see happening with BASK. No real stand-outs. Just a bunch of players playing at or above their abilities. If we can find a real QBOTF, there's no telling how far this team can go. Wouldn't it be nice to have a decade of competence after all the years of failure?

I'll take a QBOTF in the 6th round too.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Name the D-C for the PATS and how he got his job?

Exactly...Bill started out with the likes of Romeo Crennell and Charlie Weiss, experienced NFL guys, but when they left, they were replaced with younger, less experienced guys...Wasn't Josh McDaniels like 21 when he was OC the first go around? LOL Exaggeration, but he was young...very young.

Regarding an earlier post, about their players...yes, they have Brady, and a few other named players (Wilfork and Revis), but really, their concept is fitting ANYONE that can play in their system, into their system. So, that to me is very similar to what BASK is doing in AZ.

 

[Buckybird]

Name the D-C for the PATS and how he got his job?

I would be willing to bet Bellicheat has the biggest say & input defensively so who's the so called "DC" is irrelevant, especially since Romeo left. It's just like Goodwin being the so called OC.

 

[AZ Native]

I didn't get the feeling Matt is "irrelevant". He seems like a very bright fellow and Bill appears to like and respect him. Of course, Bill will always have input, but I wouldn't sell Matt short.

 

[kerouac9]

That doesn't poke holes in his statement.

His statement is "look, here is one way we are similar to the Patriots" and goes on to talk about something not related to the QB or gameday coaching, or even winning, but rather how they go about building a team and squeezing the most out of their players up and down the roster. He didn't claim that we were the Patriots or as good as them.

Well, they both wear helmets and (usually) field 11 players at a time, both have 53 man rosters with 45 men active on game day, etc., etc.

There's nothing exceptional about building through the draft. What, of course, 40 leaves out is that the Pats had two high-profile free agents at the corner positions in the game.

Further, the "no real standouts" flies in the face of the Reality that the Pats Super Bowl team fielded at least three Hall of Famers in Revis, Brady, and Wilfork and a possible fourth in Gronkowski. How you don't consider any of those for "standouts" is beyond me.

Without Gronk in particular (after Brady), this team comes nowhere near the Super Bowl. If you have a franchise QB, you have an opportunity to win a championship. Every team "coaches guys up."

The meaningful difference is

 

[DeAnna]

BASK has already gone on record saying "culture trumps talent" which is the Patriots system also.

 

[Jetstream Green]

How the Cardinals are not like the Patriots... Tom Brady

 

[Mitch]

I actually think Todd Licht (sharing the Patriots' organizational philosophies) had a profound influence on how the Cardinals now weigh players' value versus their salaries, handling the salary cap, emphasis on film study and preparation, advanced scouting etc. Light's successor, Terry McDonough is very privvy to the Patriots' philosophies as well.

The hiring an unknown coordinator from within the organization is very Patriot-esque, to boot.

 

[AZ Native]

How the Cardinals are not like the Patriots... Tom Brady

He shoots...he scores!!!

 

[AzStevenCal]

That doesn't poke holes in his statement.

His statement is "look, here is one way we are similar to the Patriots" and goes on to talk about something not related to the QB or gameday coaching, or even winning, but rather how they go about building a team and squeezing the most out of their players up and down the roster. He didn't claim that we were the Patriots or as good as them.

Only if you fail at reading comprehension.

You're 2 for 2.

Steve

 

[cardncubfan]

You're 2 for 2.

Steve

Agreed.

 

[conraddobler]

It's a form of "Moneyball" to borrow from baseball.

It's nothing more than figuring out how to put players in roles they can succeed in more consistently than they succeeded in their previous roles at other teams.

However that's a stretch with BA considering he is pretty rigid on what types of QB's he's ok with and that proclivity to stick with a QB of the type that is rather rare in today's NFL to me renders the whole concept void.

The Patriots one year plugged in Matt Cassell and won 11 games with him.

I don't see us plugging in ANYONE remotely like Matt and winning 11 games if our frontline QB goes down simply because of the above stated strategy and nothing about BA suggests he's flexible on this.

So maybe parts of the defense are like this but offensively, no.

 

[D-Dogg]

Well, they both wear helmets and (usually) field 11 players at a time, both have 53 man rosters with 45 men active on game day, etc., etc.

There's nothing exceptional about building through the draft. What, of course, 40 leaves out is that the Pats had two high-profile free agents at the corner positions in the game.

Further, the "no real standouts" flies in the face of the Reality that the Pats Super Bowl team fielded at least three Hall of Famers in Revis, Brady, and Wilfork and a possible fourth in Gronkowski. How you don't consider any of those for "standouts" is beyond me.

Without Gronk in particular (after Brady), this team comes nowhere near the Super Bowl. If you have a franchise QB, you have an opportunity to win a championship. Every team "coaches guys up."

The meaningful difference is

You are still off base and aren't remotely talking about the OP's point. And his no real standouts was in relation to our guys, not the pats. BTW, most teams do not coach their guys up and instead rely on superior starters and the depth is lacking. We had fourth string running backs logging 130 yard games at 5 a clip, linebackers that wouldn't start on many teams, multiple QB and RB injuries, and guys penciled in to start that never saw the field all year. And won 11 games. If he wants to compare that mentality to a similar one in NE, he's got a point. That is NOT what you see across the league, not even close. And you know it. You are being obtuse and throwing up strawmans about all the ways the Pats are better than we are as if the guy was trying to say we were on the Pats level rather than "look guys, it appears we've got our head out of our asses and here's a way we're doing it like quality franchise do." You know he was not saying more than that.

But keep it up, you are so far off course right not you'll eventually find the path again from the opposite side.