How attractive is the Cards job vs the other openings?

[Solar7]

Giants are a blue blood franchise with a great owner. They hired a GM with a good track record. They still have Eli. They have the number 2 pick in the draft. You have to add talent and you have to turn around the culture, but that can be said for every team. You aren't giving it the credit it is due.

Indy has a bad owner, and that is the heart of the issue. However, they have a good GM, two legit NFL QBs on the roster, and the #3 pick. They have some young players to build around. Another team where you have to add talent and change the culture, but again, that is everywhere.

Cardinals have a good owner, and some talent, but also lots of transition and some bog contracts on the books. If Palmer retires, then you do not have a QB signed for 2018. That is a big issue. You have a front office that has struggled with round 1 picks. A big issue. The QB issue alone with either cost 17 mil for Keenum, 25 mil for Cousins, or multiple 1st round picks to solve. That is more resources taken away from adding talent, and then you have to replace a very well liked head coach in Arians. AZ is not the worst franchise of the bunch, but is the worst situation to walk into outside of the Bears. It is close.

Lions and Raiders both have legit NFL QBs to work with which is a huge advantage.

Maybe this says something about me as a person, but I'd rather join an organization where I don't have to turn around the culture, or fight established leadership (Irsay isn't going anywhere, and do we really think Ballard is a great GM?). This team has good players that have a bond. We have a decent amount of leaders. I'm not sure where you're getting the $17 million number on Keenum.

We have lots of ways to create cap space. We should have a litany of picks when compensatory picks come out. I would argue that rebuilding a WR corps is easier than just about any other position.

I feel like the Seahawks are coming close to falling apart on a large level, and the 49ers have a lot of work to do. The Rams are concerning, but not enough to make this job a negative one, IMO.

 

[Chopper0080]

Maybe this says something about me as a person, but I'd rather join an organization where I don't have to turn around the culture, or fight established leadership (Irsay isn't going anywhere, and do we really think Ballard is a great GM?). This team has good players that have a bond. We have a decent amount of leaders. I'm not sure where you're getting the $17 million number on Keenum.

We have lots of ways to create cap space. We should have a litany of picks when compensatory picks come out. I would argue that rebuilding a WR corps is easier than just about any other position.

I feel like the Seahawks are coming close to falling apart on a large level, and the 49ers have a lot of work to do. The Rams are concerning, but not enough to make this job a negative one, IMO.

We create cap space by cutting players, creating holes and creating dead money.

In terms of culture, you don't think this will be tougher to turn around than New York or Indy? Our coach didn't get fired. There is not an air of failure in our organization. That creates more pressure and scrutiny than a lower vibe does. Think of the struggles Bettcher has endured by replacing a successful DC in Bowles. The same will happen to our new head coach.

In terms of GM, in what ways has Keim proven to be better than Ballard? Or most other GMs in the NFL.

17 mil is the bottom market value to a competent NFL starter which Keenum is. If there is a bidding war, the price goes up. Glennon has shown a fraction of what Keenum has and cost 15 mil.

I think most on this board are minimizing the costs and importance of fixing our QB situation. It is going to take a substantial amount of our resources. That will limit our ability to address other areas. It is also assuming that we pick the right option.

 

[Sandan]

Good defense. That’s all I really got though.

What about our RB ?, I think he 'might' be slightly above average

 

[Solar7]

We create cap space by cutting players, creating holes and creating dead money.

In terms of culture, you don't think this will be tougher to turn around than New York or Indy? Our coach didn't get fired. There is not an air of failure in our organization. That creates more pressure and scrutiny than a lower vibe does. Think of the struggles Bettcher has endured by replacing a successful DC in Bowles. The same will happen to our new head coach.

In terms of GM, in what ways has Keim proven to be better than Ballard? Or most other GMs in the NFL.

17 mil is the bottom market value to a competent NFL starter which Keenum is. If there is a bidding war, the price goes up. Glennon has shown a fraction of what Keenum has and cost 15 mil.

I think most on this board are minimizing the costs and importance of fixing our QB situation. It is going to take a substantial amount of our resources. That will limit our ability to address other areas. It is also assuming that we pick the right option.

Our culture needs fixing? Compared to them? Let me know when this season we had players calling out other players in the media (Giants players calling Eli Apple a cancer on live radio), our all-time greatest QB benched midseason that led to our coach being fired, or outright revolts over the new GM cutting a starting tackle in week 17?

How about the most recent time our owner has been arrested for a DUI, or taken to Twitter to write ridiculous things? Or gone to rehab for drug addiction? Not to mention the extreme shadiness around Luck's injury and availability to return.

Our QB situation is definitely dire, but if we get Shurmur, odds are that Keenum would want to come play for the coach he's had the most success under, and a clear path to being the starter, rather than go try to play in Miami or something. Keenum has played well, but a "bidding war" probably isn't going to break out over the guy.

Again, assuming we shed the $14 million Palmer is going to hit us for, we're in pretty good shape. Same if Veldheer retires... He's being paid a premium and could be replaced with a cheaper option at RT.

 

[wit3card]

The Cards have a good shot at a good HC, a good HC will see that, a franchise QB isn't allways a garantee to win SB expect he is called Brady. And even Brady would have lost the last two against Seahawks and Falcons if the D didn't stop the opponent at the end (Falcons after the half, Seahawks Goalline).

The HC candidate has to know how important continuty is. That you need a GM that supports you and helps you to achieve what you need. And he needs to know that he has a stable on RB (DJ, AD, KW, EP, TJ) that are primed to get you a good running game if you have a average to good O-line. If Fitz returns you have one of the top 10 WR on the team as well, a LT that is okay, a RT that showed he can ball. A good kicker and punter on ST and a promising Kickoffreturner and maybe PR in TJ. If you play a type of Patriots offense you have already 2 TE that can catch the ball in Gresham and SJ and small fast WR that can work the field in JB an JN.

So you could argue with a mix of Patriots Saints offense with any half way decent QB you get a top 15 offense with ease.

On D you have the best OLB in the NFL at the moment, the best man to man cover CB some promising Safties and a Nickelcorner in TM, than the up front is servicable to good with much depth. And you have Golden a good 2nd OLB that can get you 10 sacks a year.

So you have a D that when you install the Patriots D type would work just fine and have your top 10 D.

So and ST with any good ST coach you get them top 10 too.

And with 3 top 10 units you normally are a preainal contender ... just saying, this team is 8-8 with many injuries and a new HC could take them at least to the postseason the next years even if CP and Fitz retire.


I think, because of the stability, the continuity, the easy press, the great facility and the owner investing money and an average team that can achieve more this opening sounds alot better than the Colts, Bears, Bengals, Lions or Giants.

Don't get me wrong, yes Raiders may be a better spot, but they took Gruden.

But Giants are a mess, the locker room is a mess, they have more divas than they can get rid of, Eli will be your QB and he is a problem too, he isn't that great and drafting a young QB behind him will not help and Media will destroy you if you get it wrong. Division with Philly, Dallas Washington, as easy as the NFC West, only you are the bottom feeder in the division. 3-13

Colts, Irsay ... than Luck isn't back and who knows how good he will be, the O-line is a mess and they never invested there, and they don't have many great players on the roster. Best division to be in with Jacksonville, Tenessee and Houston, on the other hand, Houston was very strong with Watson, Tenessee has Mariota and was okayish and Jacksonville dispite of Bortles isn't a bottom feeder anymore, so you might not be as lucky as you think. 4-12

Lions are always a mess owner wise, and after going 9-7 with some bad bounces and bad calls(1 game the zebras stole from them) you fire your HC? And losing 4 games with 1 TD or less gosh ... you have to have faith in your power to improve and don't get canned for the same stupid reasons like cadwell (Cadwell isn't the greatest coach but hell he did many good things for the lions). NFC North with Minnesota and Greenbay and Bears as good as the Cards division maybe a bit worse. 9-7

Than the Bears, with a GM that works behind your back, doesn't give a poo about the opinion of his HC and destroys everything the HC tries to achieve with firing him after a decent season. Yeah you have a QB there, but is he as good as you think? I'm not sold on him yet and if you do worse (Fangio is a great DC and you might get worse if you loose him) than you are faster out of Job than you might think. Minnesota, Detroid and Green Bay in your division as bad as the Cards job expect you are the bottom feeder. 5-11

Bengals are a mess from the top, the ownership is dreadfull and you will not improve as fast as you might think, there is an average QB there that will be good enough to get you 8-10 wins if everything goes fine and crumble under pressure or the spotlight. They won 7 games and lost 4 games by 4 points or less with some luck they would have been a 10-11 win team and in the playoffs. And how GM and Owner works there is beyond ... careless. The D played okayish and oyu have Baltimore and Pittsburgh in your division only Browns are 2 sure wins every year (that might be better than the NFC West) 7-9

So at the End, IMHO the Cards job opening is maybe the best you can get if you think long term, because in the NFL you need at least 3-5 seasons to have a chance to win a SB. And that has to be what you are focusing on as a HC. Because the "Not for long" attitude doesn't work for you as a HC but you need a owner and GM that understands that, and Cards do.

 

[kerouac9]

Cards have the key athletes that could be formed into a championship in 2 years with the right additional personnel decisions. Defense wins championships most often.

In two years who will be left? Peterson, C Jones, and Baker make an attractive core on defense. In two years David Johnson will be over the hill and/or a salary albatross. Nothing on offense besides him.

Is there a QB out there that a new head coach might want to make the Cardinals job more attractive?

Example, the Suns acquired Steve Nash for Mike D'Antoni. It was a successful relationship.

It’s an interesting idea. I still think there’s not much difference between the 16th and 40th best QBs in the NFL. We can let a coach handpick his favorite three guys and let him sort it out.

Weird that we seem to be focusing on defensive coaches, though. The problem is pretty clearly the offense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Cards have a good shot at a good HC, a good HC will see that, a franchise QB isn't allways a garantee to win SB expect he is called Brady. And even Brady would have lost the last two against Seahawks and Falcons if the D didn't stop the opponent at the end (Falcons after the half, Seahawks Goalline).

The HC candidate has to know how important continuty is. That you need a GM that supports you and helps you to achieve what you need. And he needs to know that he has a stable on RB (DJ, AD, KW, EP, TJ) that are primed to get you a good running game if you have a average to good O-line. If Fitz returns you have one of the top 10 WR on the team as well, a LT that is okay, a RT that showed he can ball. A good kicker and punter on ST and a promising Kickoffreturner and maybe PR in TJ. If you play a type of Patriots offense you have already 2 TE that can catch the ball in Gresham and SJ and small fast WR that can work the field in JB an JN.

So you could argue with a mix of Patriots Saints offense with any half way decent QB you get a top 15 offense with ease.

On D you have the best OLB in the NFL at the moment, the best man to man cover CB some promising Safties and a Nickelcorner in TM, than the up front is servicable to good with much depth. And you have Golden a good 2nd OLB that can get you 10 sacks a year.

So you have a D that when you install the Patriots D type would work just fine and have your top 10 D.

So and ST with any good ST coach you get them top 10 too.

And with 3 top 10 units you normally are a preainal contender ... just saying, this team is 8-8 with many injuries and a new HC could take them at least to the postseason the next years even if CP and Fitz retire.


I think, because of the stability, the continuity, the easy press, the great facility and the owner investing money and an average team that can achieve more this opening sounds alot better than the Colts, Bears, Bengals, Lions or Giants.

Don't get me wrong, yes Raiders may be a better spot, but they took Gruden.

But Giants are a mess, the locker room is a mess, they have more divas than they can get rid of, Eli will be your QB and he is a problem too, he isn't that great and drafting a young QB behind him will not help and Media will destroy you if you get it wrong. Division with Philly, Dallas Washington, as easy as the NFC West, only you are the bottom feeder in the division. 3-13

Colts, Irsay ... than Luck isn't back and who knows how good he will be, the O-line is a mess and they never invested there, and they don't have many great players on the roster. Best division to be in with Jacksonville, Tenessee and Houston, on the other hand, Houston was very strong with Watson, Tenessee has Mariota and was okayish and Jacksonville dispite of Bortles isn't a bottom feeder anymore, so you might not be as lucky as you think. 4-12

Lions are always a mess owner wise, and after going 9-7 with some bad bounces and bad calls(1 game the zebras stole from them) you fire your HC? And losing 4 games with 1 TD or less gosh ... you have to have faith in your power to improve and don't get canned for the same stupid reasons like cadwell (Cadwell isn't the greatest coach but hell he did many good things for the lions). NFC North with Minnesota and Greenbay and Bears as good as the Cards division maybe a bit worse. 9-7

Than the Bears, with a GM that works behind your back, doesn't give a **** about the opinion of his HC and destroys everything the HC tries to achieve with firing him after a decent season. Yeah you have a QB there, but is he as good as you think? I'm not sold on him yet and if you do worse (Fangio is a great DC and you might get worse if you loose him) than you are faster out of Job than you might think. Minnesota, Detroid and Green Bay in your division as bad as the Cards job expect you are the bottom feeder. 5-11

Bengals are a mess from the top, the ownership is dreadfull and you will not improve as fast as you might think, there is an average QB there that will be good enough to get you 8-10 wins if everything goes fine and crumble under pressure or the spotlight. They won 7 games and lost 4 games by 4 points or less with some luck they would have been a 10-11 win team and in the playoffs. And how GM and Owner works there is beyond ... careless. The D played okayish and oyu have Baltimore and Pittsburgh in your division only Browns are 2 sure wins every year (that might be better than the NFC West) 7-9

So at the End, IMHO the Cards job opening is maybe the best you can get if you think long term, because in the NFL you need at least 3-5 seasons to have a chance to win a SB. And that has to be what you are focusing on as a HC. Because the "Not for long" attitude doesn't work for you as a HC but you need a owner and GM that understands that, and Cards do.

Trying to convince yourself that a smart coach doesn’t think a franchise QB is the most important ANYTHING in the league is an exercise in futility.

A franchise QB doesn’t guarantee you a Super Bowl, but there’s a reason the Pats, Steelers, Packers,

The Cards have a good shot at a good HC, a good HC will see that, a franchise QB isn't allways a garantee to win SB expect he is called Brady. And even Brady would have lost the last two against Seahawks and Falcons if the D didn't stop the opponent at the end (Falcons after the half, Seahawks Goalline).

The HC candidate has to know how important continuty is. That you need a GM that supports you and helps you to achieve what you need. And he needs to know that he has a stable on RB (DJ, AD, KW, EP, TJ) that are primed to get you a good running game if you have a average to good O-line. If Fitz returns you have one of the top 10 WR on the team as well, a LT that is okay, a RT that showed he can ball. A good kicker and punter on ST and a promising Kickoffreturner and maybe PR in TJ. If you play a type of Patriots offense you have already 2 TE that can catch the ball in Gresham and SJ and small fast WR that can work the field in JB an JN.

So you could argue with a mix of Patriots Saints offense with any half way decent QB you get a top 15 offense with ease.

On D you have the best OLB in the NFL at the moment, the best man to man cover CB some promising Safties and a Nickelcorner in TM, than the up front is servicable to good with much depth. And you have Golden a good 2nd OLB that can get you 10 sacks a year.

So you have a D that when you install the Patriots D type would work just fine and have your top 10 D.

So and ST with any good ST coach you get them top 10 too.

And with 3 top 10 units you normally are a preainal contender ... just saying, this team is 8-8 with many injuries and a new HC could take them at least to the postseason the next years even if CP and Fitz retire.


I think, because of the stability, the continuity, the easy press, the great facility and the owner investing money and an average team that can achieve more this opening sounds alot better than the Colts, Bears, Bengals, Lions or Giants.

Don't get me wrong, yes Raiders may be a better spot, but they took Gruden.

But Giants are a mess, the locker room is a mess, they have more divas than they can get rid of, Eli will be your QB and he is a problem too, he isn't that great and drafting a young QB behind him will not help and Media will destroy you if you get it wrong. Division with Philly, Dallas Washington, as easy as the NFC West, only you are the bottom feeder in the division. 3-13

Colts, Irsay ... than Luck isn't back and who knows how good he will be, the O-line is a mess and they never invested there, and they don't have many great players on the roster. Best division to be in with Jacksonville, Tenessee and Houston, on the other hand, Houston was very strong with Watson, Tenessee has Mariota and was okayish and Jacksonville dispite of Bortles isn't a bottom feeder anymore, so you might not be as lucky as you think. 4-12

Lions are always a mess owner wise, and after going 9-7 with some bad bounces and bad calls(1 game the zebras stole from them) you fire your HC? And losing 4 games with 1 TD or less gosh ... you have to have faith in your power to improve and don't get canned for the same stupid reasons like cadwell (Cadwell isn't the greatest coach but hell he did many good things for the lions). NFC North with Minnesota and Greenbay and Bears as good as the Cards division maybe a bit worse. 9-7

Than the Bears, with a GM that works behind your back, doesn't give a **** about the opinion of his HC and destroys everything the HC tries to achieve with firing him after a decent season. Yeah you have a QB there, but is he as good as you think? I'm not sold on him yet and if you do worse (Fangio is a great DC and you might get worse if you loose him) than you are faster out of Job than you might think. Minnesota, Detroid and Green Bay in your division as bad as the Cards job expect you are the bottom feeder. 5-11

Bengals are a mess from the top, the ownership is dreadfull and you will not improve as fast as you might think, there is an average QB there that will be good enough to get you 8-10 wins if everything goes fine and crumble under pressure or the spotlight. They won 7 games and lost 4 games by 4 points or less with some luck they would have been a 10-11 win team and in the playoffs. And how GM and Owner works there is beyond ... careless. The D played okayish and oyu have Baltimore and Pittsburgh in your division only Browns are 2 sure wins every year (that might be better than the NFC West) 7-9

So at the End, IMHO the Cards job opening is maybe the best you can get if you think long term, because in the NFL you need at least 3-5 seasons to have a chance to win a SB. And that has to be what you are focusing on as a HC. Because the "Not for long" attitude doesn't work for you as a HC but you need a owner and GM that understands that, and Cards do.

that's a ton of words you needed there to convince yourself that a franchise QB isn't that important.

 

[Azlen]

The ESPN survey of coaches around the league ranked the openings as follows:

1. Lions
2. Raiders
3. Colts
4. Cardinals
5. Giants
6. Bears

Lack of a franchise QB is a big issue for the Cardinals.

 

[az jam]

I don't think that ranking the HC openings has much meaning. This is a major promotion and a significant salary increase for all the candidates. I doubt if any will turn down a solid offer.

 

[Azlen]

I don't think that ranking the HC openings has much meaning. This is a major promotion and a significant salary increase for all the candidates. I doubt if any will turn down a solid offer.

Of course not. The problem comes when they get competing offers from two different teams and which one they'll choose.

 

[wit3card]

Trying to convince yourself that a smart coach doesn’t think a franchise QB is the most important ANYTHING in the league is an exercise in futility.

A franchise QB doesn’t guarantee you a Super Bowl, but there’s a reason the Pats, Steelers, Packers,


that's a ton of words you needed there to convince yourself that a franchise QB isn't that important.

No because like many showed again and again, you don't need a franchise QB to win the SB or to be competitive and go to the playoffs, you need a good enough one that you basicly put in a good position to scuseed.

That means good O-line play and a great D and good ST play. And you can choose your own QBoF in Arizona, even if it isn't the top prospect.

Yes you might think great QB get you easier there, but Payton wasn't great, hell he was below average when he won his 2nd SB. Bortels is in the playoffs. And many more that aren't top 10 QB in the league. Yes to have Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger eases many things up, but still isn't a garanty. NO, GB and Pit missed out some years too with them and injuries can happen as well.

The best Garanty to win a SB is to have time, to build up your QBoF to build a great D and so on. But for that you need time.

So no I really think a QB in place isn't the best thing to have. Indeed if you have a good to great QB already, the worst thing is missing the playoffs the first 2 years and sitting on the hot sead on year 3. That is bad, because injuries and bad luck can happen.

 

[Azlen]

No because like many showed again and again, you don't need a franchise QB to win the SB or to be competitive and go to the playoffs, you need a good enough one that you basicly put in a good position to scuseed.

Actually in looking back over the last 20 years, there are 3 teams, 4 if you count Manning's last year in Denver, that didn't have franchise QBs.
That number drops depending on whether or not you view Flacco as a franchise QB. So while having a franchise QB isn't a requirement to winning a Super Bowl, it increases your odds pretty dramatically. Cardinal fans now want to win a Super Bowl, not just be in the playoffs.

 

[oaken1]

sadly...

I think Palmer retiring makes Arizona a better destination. The new coach will get to pick his guy and build his offense in Az..

Lack of a QB buys a coach a couple extra years in the long haul... nobody will expect playoffs with no QB and even a rookie will be given time to develop...makes us a safer destination.

The Raiders for example, with the players they have in position...expect to win right now...expect an afcWest title right now,...expect playoffs right now,...anybody coaching the Cardinals will have more time to produce a winner regardless of how much we will all bitch

 

[Azlen]

Munchak turns down a 2nd interview. Shurmur chooses the Giants over the Cardinals. Looks like the Cards opening wasn't all that attractive.

 

[JeffGollin]

Munchak turns down a 2nd interview. Shurmur chooses the Giants over the Cardinals. Looks like the Cards opening wasn't all that attractive.

There are a gazillion coaching prospects out there and (assuming 100% vacancies) 32 HC positions out there.

Surely, somewhere out in Coaches Land, there are more than a few highly qualified coaches who'd like one of those 32 choice positions.

No, Azlen, it ain't the deoderant, we just operate in a highly competitive environment.

 

[Azlen]

There are a gazillion coaching prospects out there and (assuming 100% vacancies) 32 HC positions out there.

Surely, somewhere out in Coaches Land, there are more than a few highly qualified coaches who'd like one of those 32 choice positions.

No, Azlen, it ain't the deoderant, we just operate in a highly competitive environment.

I'm not saying we won't get a qualified coach. This was about how the Cardinals opening was viewed vs the openings on the other NFL teams looking for a coach. So in this highly competitive environment, where did we rank?

 

[CardsFan88]

I'm not saying we won't get a qualified coach. This was about how the Cardinals opening was viewed vs the openings on the other NFL teams looking for a coach. So in this highly competitive environment, where did we rank?

It's hard to say. Personnel wise, we have some real nice pieces, but also some big glaring holes. Still it's hard to find a top CB and pass rusher. David Johnson and All Day in the backfield isn't too shabby as well. But no QB on roster, crap line, and we need a #1 and #2 receiver, possibly a #3 if Fitz retires.

So its important to realize that guys that sign first doesn't mean we're a bad choice or lower ranked. The Cards could of gone out there and signed any coach with a pulse, that doesn't mean we're desirable. This isn't the year to judge that question really.

We're assuming every franchise was trying to sign a guy immediately. Some were, we weren't.

Maybe we could of gotten some of these other coaches if we made offers right away. Just because guys choose elsewhere, doesn't mean they wouldn't want us more if we offered. But if one team is offering the job and the other isn't, bird in the hand. In other cases, you have ties to people on other teams. Go with someone you know, or someone new?

I don't see Munchak declining as a sign of us not being desirable. I see it as he is going to get promoted 1 or 2 notches in a familiar situation he likes.

Meanwhile those teams that do move quickly, miss out on late openings (like if Tomlin is fired, or any of the assistants on teams still in playoffs).

It also may mean they didn't do their due diligence, which could come back and bite them in the butt.

5 years from now there will be a few guys who are position coaches or coordinators who are the young up and coming star coaches. It could turn out that one or all of these guys, DeFilippo, Wilks, or Flores might turn out better in the long run then a Shurmur, Schwartz, Munchak, McDaniels.

It's all a crapshoot, and the Cardinals need to follow their plan, otherwise they are flying blind, and not much good usually comes of that. If you sabotage your own process to be quick, an even darker path might unfold.

It may be frustrating to see other teams scooping coaches up, but for better or worse, rushing our process or ditching it would be the worst thing for us to do. We did start the process very quickly and had what about 7-8 interview requests about 24-48 hours after Arians retired?

We just need to follow through and get the best coach by the metrics we've been creating to judge them this century.

 

[Arz101]

Cardinals are one Peterson injury away from looking like Browns. The talent is bottom 10 in the league head to toe

 

[Veer]

I'm very critical of Keim. He bought himself ample time with Palmer to build for the future. Now we are exactly where we've been at when Keim took over as GM. No OL to speak of, no QB at all, no HC.

That said, I think MB/SK know exactly who they want. Hence maybe there is a mutual silent agreement already in place. Cards FO usually doesn't leak much, if anything at all. I guess we are set on DeFilippo or Flores and just can't announce it yet, which is also in the best interest of the candidates who still coach for a Superbowl and don't need any distraction.

 

[Solar7]

Cardinals are one Peterson injury away from looking like Browns. The talent is bottom 10 in the league head to toe

Are you talking about how the roster ended, or how it's going to be when healthy going into next year?

This is a baffling statement considering we have one of the league's top young talents at RB, and the league leader in sacks, a rookie safety that just went to the Pro Bowl, and just won 8 games with our team just absolutely decimated.

 

[TRW]

No QB (of the future or anything else).

One of the worst O Lines in the league.

One of the worst collection of TE in the league.

One of the worst receivers group in the league ( not including Fitz of course).

No CB opposite PP.

LB group is weak.

AARP members everywhere.

What’s not to like?

 

[Solar7]

No QB (of the future or anything else).

One of the worst O Lines in the league.

One of the worst collection of TE in the league.

One of the worst receivers group in the league ( not including Fitz of course).

No CB opposite PP.

LB group is weak.

AARP members everywhere.

What’s not to like?

No QB is valid.

O-Line? I disagree here. It's not great, but with a healthy Humphries, Boone/Iupati, and Veldheer, we're solid enough.

TE: Ricky Seals-Jones has potential and frankly Arians just didn't use his TE much at all.

WR: WRs can be found quickly.

CB: Again, can be fixed with the right draft pick or signing.

LB: Two top pass rushers at OLB. Not terrible - better than most teams have it. We do need to work at ILB.

AARP - we should have like 6 draft picks in the top four rounds. That's a quick infusion of young talent.

 

[Arz101]

Are you talking about how the roster ended, or how it's going to be when healthy going into next year?

This is a baffling statement considering we have one of the league's top young talents at RB, and the league leader in sacks, a rookie safety that just went to the Pro Bowl, and just won 8 games with our team just absolutely decimated.

May be comparing to Browns is a little extreme. The talent is still in bottom 1/3rd no?

 

[Solar7]

May be comparing to Browns is a little extreme. The talent is still in bottom 1/3rd no?

I'd put us somewhere right around the middle assuming health. There's a lot of offseason that could raise or lower my perception of that.

 

[Mitch]

The Positives:

1. Excellent President/CEO in Michael Bidwill.
2. Past two hires have taken the Cardinals to 2 NFC Championships and 1 Super Bowl.
3. Rabid fan base.
4. Attractive warm weather locale.
5. First rate facilities.
6. Talented defense.
7. A potential chance to coach a first ballot HOF WR #11.
8. A chance to pick your own QBs.
9. A diligent and humble GM in Steve Keim who will try to get you the players you want.
10. A salary cap pro in Mike Disner.