How do we beat the Niners?

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I remember this hit vividly. What is not shown:

1. The 250,000 flags that littered the field after the hit, since it was a defenseless receiver situation.
2. Adrian Wilson picking himself off the ground after diving for the ball, looking at Johnson, asking him if it was his hit that drew the flags, and then laughing about it when Johnson must have said something to the effect of, "Yeah, that was me"
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So, on to the topic. How do we win this game ?

Personally.... I have no idea. We can win this game, that I am sure of, but how is always the question.

This Cardinals team is almost the anti-2008 team, yet obviously a HOF QB catching on fire is more easy to control then what a defense can do for you.

But, our defense won the game against Philly. No doubt about it. They play that way against SF, and we win. No doubt about it.

The biggest hurdle is our defensive line versus the 49'er offensive line. Philly's line is not that good, where as the Niners line is very good.



RM's Gameplan on Defense:

1. Stop the run. Easier said then done, but it can be done. Do not let Frank Gore do what he LOVES to do, and break off big runs, and big plays.

2. Force the pass to the outsides. Vernon Davis owns Adrian Wilson (some send that to A-Dub!). Do not let Davis have a game against us. Give the Niners Randy Moss on Toler/Gay. But don't let Davis, and Delanie Walker beat us over the middle.

3. Pressure Alex Smith. He is a good game manager, but if you get him in the wrong mind set, he will throw picks, and he will fumble the ball.

4. Realize this is the Rams/Seahawks games all over again. field position is key. At least we don't have Legatron to deal with this time.


RM's Gameplan on Offense:

1. Kneel three times and kick a FG or punt. LOL. I kid, I kid.

2. The offense has to be balanced. It is the only way our offense moves the ball. Our COACHES have to be more patient, and they have to believe in their defense. This can't be the Rams game, or the Viking game where we press to hard to catch up points wise when we don't really need to.

3. Two 1st downs. The offense, and I hate to say it, has to take this game a 1st down at a time. Two first downs per possession will allow the defense some rest, and help the field position battle.

4. Run the rock, even if it is into a wall. You know what really, really sucks? We have been doing really well winning the time of possession battle. Yet, our offense cannot close the deal. Well, continue to do this, and try to be ultra-conservative once in field goal range.

5. Take at least 3 shots. Chances. There will be opportunities in the game where the location on the field, and the time of the game line up to where you just have to throw it up to Fitz. It is a risk, and a low percentage chance for something to happen, but it is Fitz. We know the guy can do some things out on that field. ALSO, the Cardinals can take a chance without the risk, and setup a play or two off Skelton's hard count. Get the Niners to jump offsides, and then throw it deep off a "free play".

RM's Gameplan on Offense:

1. Hubris. Jim Harbaugh wants to dictate play. Sure. Go ahead there big guy. If our defense does what it has to do, the Harbaugh will go to what he knows. He will play field position, keep it close football. Fine with us. I will take a close game in the 4th quarter.

2. Special Teams - I know I am in the minority, but our special teams have not been good enough. PP7 is going to have a tough time trying to do something with Andy Lee's punts. Unless luck gives us a shank that stays in bounds, that situation will be taken away from us. Jay Feely has to get his head out of his butt and get back to being clutch, and our return teams have to have there best days, because Ginn Jr. is no one to fool around with.

3. Bring a four leaf clover. Cause, IMO, we don't win without a little luck, and few bounces.
 

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Dress the Giants team in Cardinal uniforms and send them to play the Niners.
 

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Hit them in the mouth. Be physical with them. Fights during the plays, to show them we won't back down. Beat them at there own game.
 

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Stop the run and force Alex Smith to beat you.


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I am trying to see how but I keep getting stuck thinking about the Smith boys rushing from each end. Will not be a pretty sight.
 

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Stop the run and force Alex Smith to beat you.


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This is the only chance the Cards really have. Unfortunately run defense is not the Cards strong suit. The Cards are 20th in run defense and have allowed over 160 yards rushing in each of the last two games.

The other thing they need to do is set the calendar back a day and a half so that the team thinks it is a Sunday afternoon game and not on National TV.
 
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I am trying to see how but I keep getting stuck thinking about the Smith boys rushing from each end. Will not be a pretty sight.

Gotta stay as balanced as they can as an offense to even have a chance, IMO

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The only way we beat the 9ers is if our defense outscores BOTH their offense and defense!! Otherwise - this could be very ugly!

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Pressure on Alex Smith and stopping Gore is all I can think of.


Last week, the Oline did a good job in the first half protecting Skelton, and even then, he couldnt do anything with it.

I think our Offense is completely screwed.




So the only way we win is if the final score is 6-3.
 

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It's pretty simple, you get far enough ahead of them early that they have to start throwing the ball while behind.

Alex Smith rating when ahead 98, when behind 76.5. When ahead 5 TD 2 pick, when behind 2td 3 picks. When behind by 2 scores, rating is 62.8 1 TD 2 INT in only 24 attempts.

When they're ahead they run the ball and play it safe in the passing game they force you into bad matchups, when they're behind, he's the real Alex Smith still.
 

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Both defenses are good and one first then thinks, well it must be the team whose offense makes the least amount of mistakes. I do not think that is it, I think it is a little more. The Niners have Davis at TE and Gore at runningback, we have Fitz. It is going to come down to which offense is going to be able to dictate the game on a couple of plays beside the defense they are facing. It is more about the team not making the mistake WHILE making the big play with their playmakers and willing to pull it off. Point, the Cards better try to get Fitz involved or a player like Housler needs to become a playmaker in this game or we will lose.
 

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Pressure on Alex Smith and stopping Gore is all I can think of.


Last week, the Oline did a good job in the first half protecting Skelton, and even then, he couldnt do anything with it.

I think our Offense is completely screwed.




So the only way we win is if the final score is 6-3.

According to the play by play on profootball-reference.com Skelton was 9-13 for 78 yards in the first half and was sacked twice.

No great possessions by the Cards but it wasn't all on Double Deuce:

3 and out (2 yard screen, run for no gain, inc pass) followed by an 88 yard TD drive by the Vikings
Sack and Fumble
4 plays TD followed by a 72 yard TD drive by the Vikings
2nd and 3 a 1 yard run and an incomplete pass and punt
3 and out (5 yard pass, sack, inc pass)

2 sacks in 15 pass attempts. That equates to around 73 sacks for a full season. So I don't know how good a job the oline did protecting DDeuce.
 

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This is awesome. 14 replies and nobody wrote "score more points than SF".

Great job ASFN

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Hello.... Look again! ;)

Not the same. Having to outscore both their defense and offense to win is a legitimate response especially with John "pick six" Skelton as our starting QB as opposed to the lame "score more points".
 

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I'm with Rug- with one added comment:

Control or at least neutralize the battle for field position.

Make that 2 comments:

Don't get penalized more than SF (either in #'s or yards).

Field position will be tough because Lee is a better punter than Zastudil. Our corners haven't figured out how to avoid pass interference penalties (I have to give that edge to Carlos Rogers/not sure about Thomas).

I just hope I get to see the game on TV - Tropical Storm Sandy is expected to kick the Jersey Shore's ass Monday night.
 

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To beat the 49ers you will need to be able to run the ball period, as we have a very good secondary this year. In both our losses we were unable to stop AP & Bradshaw and once we got behind we got away from our bread & butter and stopped running the ball. The Niners are just not a strong passing team and once behind we fall apart.
 

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Force turnovers and don't turn the ball over. That's about it.
 
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I think our Offense is completely screwed.


LOL. Perfect

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Story of the game right there

That is what I keep coming back to.

I hope we have enough QBs


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