phillycard
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az jam said:
"translation"- worry about your own damn squad!
How many chances for Warner???
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"translation"- worry about your own damn squad!
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Easy there guys....the seahawks fan only posted the same Warner question that he heard on a sports show....and I left a disclaimer when I posted it....LOL
Here's the thing...last year ..huge expectations on the cards...this year..I expect even worse...all those season tickets and the new stadium...Those of you whom feelings got hurt over the thread...grow thicker skin..because if the cards lose the media will pick your team apart....Hell there already starting your QB controversy for you...thats where I got the thread ?? I think since you drafted a well known QB in Lienart that its a good topic.
As far as whomever made the Hutch Comment.....I guess the new rushing champ will come from the Vikings now ???
And to be fair....If the seahawks were to go 0-3 they would not bench Hasselbeck.....only cry that the Chunky soup, sports Illustrated, and Madden curse's all hit the team at the same time.
Here's the thing...last year ..huge expectations on the cards...this year..I expect even worse...all those season tickets and the new stadium...Those of you whom feelings got hurt over the thread...grow thicker skin..because if the cards lose the media will pick your team apart....Hell there already starting your QB controversy for you...thats where I got the thread ?? I think since you drafted a well known QB in Lienart that its a good topic.
As far as whomever made the Hutch Comment.....I guess the new rushing champ will come from the Vikings now ???
And to be fair....If the seahawks were to go 0-3 they would not bench Hasselbeck.....only cry that the Chunky soup, sports Illustrated, and Madden curse's all hit the team at the same time.
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phillycard said:
So your saying ...you only want to talk football...if its positive cardinal news???? no other teams allowed??? who's laughing now !
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When you throw the ball every down and have two Pro Bowl receivers you're going to have good passing stats unless your name is Josh McCown. Warner had way too many turnovers and not enough TDs for my liking last year and that's without taking into consideration the fact that he's always injured.Pariah said:
Don't get me wrong, Warner had probably the best performance of a Cardinal QB in years in 2005, but the competition he faced for that distinction does not really make that a compliment.
Super Bowl XXXV Baltimore 34, N.Y. Giants 7
Loser New York's record 2001 record: 7-9 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XXXVI New England 20, St. Louis 17
Loser St. Louis' 2002 record: 7-9 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XXXVII Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21
Loser Oakland's 2003 record: 4-12 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XXXVIII New England 32, Carolina 29
Loser Carolina's 2004 record: 7-9 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XXXIX New England 24, Philadelphia 21
Loser Philadelphia's 2005 record: 6-10 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XL Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10
Loser Seattle's 2006 record: ? (shall we make it 6 in a row?
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Loser New York's record 2001 record: 7-9 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XXXVI New England 20, St. Louis 17
Loser St. Louis' 2002 record: 7-9 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XXXVII Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21
Loser Oakland's 2003 record: 4-12 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XXXVIII New England 32, Carolina 29
Loser Carolina's 2004 record: 7-9 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XXXIX New England 24, Philadelphia 21
Loser Philadelphia's 2005 record: 6-10 (no playoffs)
Super Bowl XL Pittsburgh 21, Seattle 10
Loser Seattle's 2006 record: ? (shall we make it 6 in a row?
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I think the 65% completion rate answers that objection.MaoTosiFanClub said:
He could be better with ball protection, though. Hopefully a running game will help in that area.
Hawk seems like a decent poster--he's not here to make trouble. Let's not run him off. The Seahawks didn't get to the SB last year with smoke and mirrors; they're a solid squad.
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Idahawk said:
You can't scare us. We have seen the bottom. We know about disappointment.
To me there is no controversy. At least not for this season.
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Idahawk said:
Hey, our team gets absolutely skewered by the media. Especially by our own LOCAL media. All the thin-skinned, bandwagon fans are LONG gone. The posters on this board have been through the absolute worst-of-the-worst in football. There's no way you can lecture us on what will happen if we have a bad season!
As for your topic, one loss, one poor performance, someone will mention Leinart. It's going to be a constant presence until he gets the job.
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Pariah said:
Listen to the voice of reason....LOL....hey thanks Pariah.. Its like a bee's nest...get to close and out they come....LOL....its great you guys are such loyal and hardcore fans....Im the same way about my seahawks...Like the man says Im not here to make trouble..just talk football...will I insult your team at some point ?....yes that will more than likely happen..will you insult my team?..chances are real good on that one...will I get drunk and post babble about nothing...99% chance of that happening..so it all good bros....its all football....enjoy
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I run into the same crap when I post on Seahawksal.com. If you haven't found that board, you should. It's good folk, for the most part.Idahawk said:
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Sals site has a bad rep ..for not being the kindest...I have never been a member there..but know alot about the site..from others and from ghosting over there....Im in seahawks huddle and seahawks .net....both are good sites.....the huddle is real cool to other teams...net not so much.....I like the cards I really do.....I wish they were in a different division...LOL...But over all the NFC west has to improve...we take a beating in the media every year as weak and easy...I hate that...
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Idahawk said:
Idahawk, I'm kiddin fam! My response was to AZ Jam's post. I got love for all fans....except eagles fans.
kerouac9
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Idahawk said:
That's the thing. I don't think expectations are that high, especially not in the media. The way that it seems to work is that the media gets on the bandwagon, the Cards lay an egg, and then the cautious skepticism returns. Last season, the Cards were a trendy "sleeper" playoff pick, often to win the division. Now, sportswriters feel burned, and we're getting a lot of press that "they could make some noise in Arizona", but a lot of people are still predicting a 3rd place finish in the NFC West.
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64.5%, and that number was still below his career average, and his QB rating was nearly 10 points below his career average.Pariah said:
And Kurt threw for a lot of yards in 10 starts, but Donnie McNabb, in a similar number of starts, threw 5 more TDs, with less talent on the outside, in 50 fewer attempts. Michael Vick threw for more TDs last season than Kurt Warner did.
If Kurt Warner had had as productive as season as you make it sound, he would have had more than one suitor in free agency.
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Vick and McNabb also had a better running game to balance their offense on. But even then, Warner had a higher YPA, more plays of 20+ and 40+ yds and a higher completion percentage.
I believe Warner is certainly capable of leading a top passing attack - if he remains healthy.
I believe Warner is certainly capable of leading a top passing attack - if he remains healthy.
Idahawk said:
hmmm....media ripping the cards.....where have a I heard this before? Oh wait, every year since 1988.....I couldn't possibly deal with it again...NOOOOOOO! Someone save me!
....oh I'm good now, nevermind.
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Let me ask this? How long is Holmgren going to last if the Seahawks fall apart?
K9, you know that's flawed logic. He was as productive as I said he was--all I did was point out stats--but since we were talking about LAST YEAR and he was a FA this off season, his suitors the year before don't come into play in this conversation.kerouac9 said:
And, just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm NOT a huge fan of Warner. But, he's out played my expectations and was pretty good. I don't think he can stay healthy and probably won't play more that 11 games.
I was a HUGE proponant of drafting a QB (for the last 4 years).
I was a HUGE proponant of drafting a QB (for the last 4 years).
moklerman
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Something that I think is ironic is that the Cardinals are filling the role of the Seahawks of 2004. Every "expert" seemed to be in love with them that year as a dark horse, up & coming team that'll surprise everyone and make it to the Super Bowl. They fell flat and didn't. The predictions were a year early. I think that will be the case with the Card's. All the hype last year and the team just didn't have enough time and health to gel. This year it's more realistic to express the high expectations.
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moklerman said:
I don't know. I mean, losing in the Wild Card round for the second year in a row ("We want the ball, and we're gonna score!" --M. Hasselback) is a little different than going 6-10.
moklerman
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You're right, it's not an identical situation but that 2004 team was a disappointment(in my opinion). They weren't as good as their 9-7 record and didn't meet the expectations of many "experts". They didn't improve on what they had done in 2003(10-6) and gave up more points than they scored. They got worse when they were expected to go to the next level. For the Cardinals, a Super Bowl is a little bit too lofty of an expectation but they do need to move to their next level which is making the playoffs. Maybe exceed what's realistic and win the NFC West. If they flounder around the .500 mark or below, jobs will be lost.
