How many teams will need qb next yr

[sinsay]

There is not a lot of teams that will need a qb next yr we may have our pick of the litter

bills (no)
dolphins (yes big time as a matter of fact)
jets(no)
pats(no)
ravens(maybe)
clevland(maybe but they got frye this yr)
pitts(no)
houston(no)
jags(no)
colt(never)
tennesee(maybe but hell no if mcnair still wants to play)but norm chow is there so maybe.

denver(maybe)but only if its leinhart but and it's a big but if jake has a good yr (no)

k.c (maybe depends on the d but trent green is getting old)

radiers(only leinhart but they did draft walter)
chargers (no)
dallas(yes)but parcells may not want a rookie qb but he did draft bledsoe
gaints(no)
eagles(no)
redskins(no jason campbell)
bears(maybe but the staff in chicago really likes rex grossman)
lions(maybe but if harrigton has a good yr with all those wr's )(no)
greenbay(no)
minn(no)
falcons(no)
panthers(maybe but they drafted the louisville qb pretty high)
saints(no brooks mcpherson)
bucs(yes)
rams(no)
seahawks(no)
49ers(no)
cards(yes)

So the cards may get one of the big 3 qb's next yr which i think are all better
than alex smith they are matt leinhart(USC) vincent young(TEX) and chris leak(FLA) in that order. My personal choice is vincent young because speed kills and i think someone is going to have a MAJOR MAJOR probelm trying to sign leinhart.What do you guys think and are there any other qb's in college i forgot about.

 

[HookemCards]

There is not a lot of teams that will need a qb next yr we may have our pick of the litter

bills (no)
dolphins (yes big time as a matter of fact)
jets(no)
pats(no)
ravens(maybe)
clevland(maybe but they got frye this yr)
pitts(no)
houston(no)
jags(no)
colt(never)
tennesee(maybe but hell no if mcnair still wants to play)but norm chow is there so maybe.

denver(maybe)but only if its leinhart but and it's a big but if jake has a good yr (no)

k.c (maybe depends on the d but trent green is getting old)

radiers(only leinhart but they did draft walter)
chargers (no)
dallas(yes)but parcells may not want a rookie qb but he did draft bledsoe
gaints(no)
eagles(no)
redskins(no jason campbell)
bears(maybe but the staff in chicago really likes rex grossman)
lions(maybe but if harrigton has a good yr with all those wr's )(no)
greenbay(no)
minn(no)
falcons(no)
panthers(maybe but they drafted the louisville qb pretty high)
saints(no brooks mcpherson)
bucs(yes)
rams(no)
seahawks(no)
49ers(no)
cards(yes)

So the cards may get one of the big 3 qb's next yr which i think are all better
than alex smith they are matt leinhart(USC) vincent young(TEX) and chris leak(FLA) in that order. My personal choice is vincent young because speed kills and i think someone is going to have a MAJOR MAJOR probelm trying to sign leinhart.What do you guys think and are there any other qb's in college i forgot about.

If Vince Young comes out next year, he'll need lots and lots of QB coaching. Its true he is at the level of Vick physically, but his mechanics and ability to read defenses need alot of work. I think he doesn't come out for 2 more years.

 

[MastersofCombat]

The One QB I stated we missed on this Draft was McPhearson, I really thought DG wouldve drafted him...

 

[seesred]

I think a lot has to do with how we perform this year. Warner is only 33. If he can make a come back and get us to the playoffs he is certainly able to go 2-3 more years. We have Navarre as the number three. He should be ready in two years. And then there is the puzzle named McCown. This big strong, fast player has shown some signs that he can play at this level. He is still very young and as the number 2 might see some playing time. Heck there is a very small chance he might beat out Warner in camp. I said very, very small/

All of the above will have to play out. If I had my way we would be 10-6 this year with bigger hopes in our new stadium. If that happens then the answer is no we don't pick a QB with the number 20-32 first round pick. If this season falls apart and the ket being Warner can't do it, than the answer wouls be with the 1-10 pick the Cardinals take Leinhart.

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In Green we trust

 

[Dback Jon]

If Leinhart has any type of season other than throwing 50 picks, he will be the #1 pick - regardless of who has the worst record. That team will either take him, or trade with some team that is needs a QB. Leinhart would have been the first pick this year had he come out.

 

[Totally_Red]

You nailed it.

I think a lot has to do with how we perform this year. Warner is only 33. If he can make a come back and get us to the playoffs he is certainly able to go 2-3 more years. We have Navarre as the number three. He should be ready in two years. And then there is the puzzle named McCown. This big strong, fast player has shown some signs that he can play at this level. He is still very young and as the number 2 might see some playing time. Heck there is a very small chance he might beat out Warner in camp. I said very, very small/

All of the above will have to play out. If I had my way we would be 10-6 this year with bigger hopes in our new stadium. If that happens then the answer is no we don't pick a QB with the number 20-32 first round pick. If this season falls apart and the ket being Warner can't do it, than the answer wouls be with the 1-10 pick the Cardinals take Leinhart.

GBR
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In Green we trust

We won't really know IF we need a quarterback and how soon until after this season. Maybe Warner recovers some of his 99-01 ability. Maybe the light comes on for McCown. Maybe Navarre and/or Chang show something for future consideration. With the bust rate of first round quarterbacks, I'd just as soon that one of the foursome already on board turn into Tom Brady, and we draft another position next draft.

 

[Red Air Force]

What if Linehart came out in the supplemental draft? Won't we have better than even odds of getting a relatively high pick in the sup? It would almost certainly be a higher pick than we'll have next year. I think we should take a shot if he's there.

Whats the criteria for a player entering the Sup draft?

 

[jf-08]

I don't follow the Bucs very close, so I take it Chris Simms isn't making any strides there?

What happened to Griese? Did Tampa let him go? It seems like he does a pretty good job, but coached are always looking to replace him. What's the deal with him?

Is Dallas fond of Russ Smith's brother? (Henson) Is Tuna getting frustrated with him?

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't follow the Bucs very close, so I take it Chris Simms isn't making any strides there?

What happened to Griese? Did Tampa let him go? It seems like he does a pretty good job, but coached are always looking to replace him. What's the deal with him?

Is Dallas fond of Russ Smith's brother? (Henson) Is Tuna getting frustrated with him?

Everything I read is that Tuna likes Drew, but has no interest in waiting for him to be ready which is why they went and got Bledsoe. What I've read is that there was a split vote on Bledsoe but they went with Tuna, others felt he was way past his prime and would only delay Henson's development.

That's the thing with Tuna, he is all about quick fix turnarounds these days, he has no interest in drafting a QB really high in grooming him he wants one right now.

Henson turned 25 in February(younger than Vernand Morency for example) but he's still got a ways to go as a QB as anybody who saw the Turkey day game this year knows. I was always kind of surprised that Dallas went after him since I knew Parcells wasn't exactly known as patient. I guess in his master plan Bledsoe does the job this year. Henson has an 8 year contract(not all guaranteed of course) so I guess Parcells sees nothing wrong in him sitting and learning behind Bledsoe.

 

[Russ Smith]

What if Linehart came out in the supplemental draft? Won't we have better than even odds of getting a relatively high pick in the sup? It would almost certainly be a higher pick than we'll have next year. I think we should take a shot if he's there.

Whats the criteria for a player entering the Sup draft?

I've read twice now that the NFL was quite clear that the rumors Leinart was going into the supp draft this year were totally unfounded because the NFL would NOT have allowed him to do so. So while I'm not sure what the criteria is, Leinart didn't meet it this year. I am fairly certain the system is set up so a kid like Leinart can't just avoid the regular draft in the hopes of getting to a better team.

FYI if Washington implodes this year, certainly possible although that defense is awfully good, I gotta believe Denver would take Leinart #1 if the Washington pick ended up that high. Shanahan has a disdain for drafting QB's high, but he's also never had the #1 pick in a year with a "franchise QB" sitting there. remember, Shanahan came out in public and said how committed he was to Jake, and then instead of giving Jake all 6 million of his option bonus, they gave him 2 million and Jake restructured his contract to give them more caproom. That move was quite clear, you're the best QB we have, we can't see a way to get a better QB right now, but we need caproom to improve the rest of the team so if you're restructure, we'll pick up PART of your option, if you won't, you may be a FA again. Jake was smart enough to realize he's in a very good situation there with Shanahan and that offense, so he cooperated. I have no doubt if they get a shot at Leinart they'll take him.

 

[Poorknight1]

I'm still not sold on Leinart, at all. Too much talent around him to give him as much credit as everyone does.

Young needs way too much work to be ready to go anytime soon.

Leak is the most intriguing, in my opinion. Meyer will help him with the mental aspects of the game (reading defenses, film study, etc.) that will help him to succeed. If we go Qb in the first round next year, and he comes out, he's the guy I would most like to see us get.

This, of course, is assuming Reggie Bush doesn't somehow fall to 23-25. =P


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[JPlay]

Leinart or Leak will be the best two prospects. Leinart will be gobbled up with the first pick. I would love Leak. He has a huge arm.

 

[Assface]

I'm still not sold on Leinart, at all. Too much talent around him to give him as much credit as everyone does.

Young needs way too much work to be ready to go anytime soon.

Leak is the most intriguing, in my opinion. Meyer will help him with the mental aspects of the game (reading defenses, film study, etc.) that will help him to succeed. If we go Qb in the first round next year, and he comes out, he's the guy I would most like to see us get.

This, of course, is assuming Reggie Bush doesn't somehow fall to 23-25. =P


PK1

Even if he has a very good year he will probably slide a bit because of his height. Next March/April that's ALL you're going to hear about in regards to Chris Leak. Leinart will be the #1 pick. Leak may be the #2 QB but there's no telling who's going to have a big year this season.

 

[Russ Smith]

Leinart or Leak will be the best two prospects. Leinart will be gobbled up with the first pick. I would love Leak. He has a huge arm.

Good arm yes, huge arm not from what I've seen. What I like about Leak is his overall makeup, came right in as a freshman in a QB centric offense and did well, seems to have a lot of guts, needs to improve his decision making but he's getting better at that. Good athlete, not Vick of course but he can move. The big question on Leak is going to be the same with Rodgers, how tall is he. Also if Meyer puts the same system in at Florida that he did at Utah people will wonder about Leak playing in the shotgun all the time. But Smith went first this year so in the end it didn't bother people too much.

FYI the first snap Smith took in 11 on 11 drills in minicamp with the 49ers he ran into the FB, fell down, and fumbled straight up into the air. They said he did much better after getting that out of his system.

 

[Russ Smith]

Even if he has a very good year he will probably slide a bit because of his height. Next March/April that's ALL you're going to hear about in regards to Chris Leak. Leinart will be the #1 pick. Leak may be the #2 QB but there's no telling who's going to have a big year this season.

Bingo, until he gets measured it's all speculation with Leak.

 

[Russ Smith]

This, of course, is assuming Reggie Bush doesn't somehow fall to 23-25. =P


PK1

Bush won't go as high as people think IMHO. He's a great player but where does he fit in the NFL, starting RB, WR, multi dimensional threat? I think teams will be really leery of taking a kid top 5 who they intend to use on KO returns, punt returns etc. Bush is really the closest thing to Terry Metcalf since Eric Metcalf came along and Eric had to move to WR because he was too small to play RB. Bush is bigger, and faster than Eric, but he still has to prove he can play RB in the NFL. Remember he's yet to lead USC in rushing in either year. Lendale white is having major grade problems and there's already talk that one of their prize freshman RB recruits may be the primary ballcarrier this year if White isn't eligible. I actually wouldn't be shocked to see White drafted ahead of Bush. I am a huge fan of Reggie but unless he has a more consistent year running the football I think NFL teams are going to view him as a "what do we do with this kid" attitude.

 

[Poorknight1]

He'll start at RB or as a slot receiver, depending on team need. I really believe he's that good. It's tough to allow a player of his caliber return kicks and punts once he gets into the league but I think you'd have to if you want to get the most out of your investment. Bottom line: the only reason he's not the starting RB at USC is because ol' Pete is aware he only has him for three years and didn't want to scare off possible recruits or cause unecessary transfers. It has nothing to do with talent, leadership, or the ability to carry the load. At least this way he'll have Lendale to focus the offense around once Matt and Reggie jump ship. That philosophy is a little dicey to me unless he's supremely confident that this guy has the ability to break a game with only 10-12 touches. You and I both know he does. Any team would be a fool to take Leinart OR White over this guy.


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[Russ Smith]

He'll start at RB or as a slot receiver, depending on team need. I really believe he's that good. It's tough to allow a player of his caliber return kicks and punts once he gets into the league but I think you'd have to if you want to get the most out of your investment. Bottom line: the only reason he's not the starting RB at USC is because ol' Pete is aware he only has him for three years and didn't want to scare off possible recruits or cause unecessary transfers. It has nothing to do with talent, leadership, or the ability to carry the load. At least this way he'll have Lendale to focus the offense around once Matt and Reggie jump ship. That philosophy is a little dicey to me unless he's supremely confident that this guy has the ability to break a game with only 10-12 touches. You and I both know he does. Any team would be a fool to take Leinart OR White over this guy.


PK1

I don't know, he reminds me a hell of a lot of Terry Metcalf just faster and bigger. Metcalf was the heart and soul of our offense for a few years, but there are very fews guys like that around in the NFL these days.

QB's are always overvalued no question you put Leinart at Cal last year with all the WR injuries and he doesn't put up whopping numbers either, but the top rated QB in a draft almost always goes too high and I figure he will too.

Maybe it's just me I've always REALLY liked Lendale White. Have you heard anything about his grades?

 

[JPlay]

Cardinals will have different needs depending on how the season plays out but this is what I predict.

1. QB
2. TE
3. FS
4. MLB

 

[Pariah]

Cardinals will have different needs depending on how the season plays out but this is what I predict.

1. QB
2. TE
3. FS
4. MLB

I'd guess:

1. QB
2. DT
3. OG
4. CB

 

[Poorknight1]

I don't know, he reminds me a hell of a lot of Terry Metcalf just faster and bigger. Metcalf was the heart and soul of our offense for a few years, but there are very fews guys like that around in the NFL these days.

QB's are always overvalued no question you put Leinart at Cal last year with all the WR injuries and he doesn't put up whopping numbers either, but the top rated QB in a draft almost always goes too high and I figure he will too.

Maybe it's just me I've always REALLY liked Lendale White. Have you heard anything about his grades?

Ya know...I haven't. I have a few friends that live in the area and they mentioned something similar a few months ago but I think it's just worry at this point. Nothing definitive. If I do hear something you'll be the first to know. =) Don't get me wrong...I think White is a good player and could turn out to be a very good pro. I just think Bush is on another plane of existance, at this point.

For JPlay and Pariah- My list would go something like this as far as needs:

1. Special Teams (Field position is everything and we suck in that particular area.)
2. Offense (ANY player that can give us a major boost on offense is a need. If it takes a QB to make that happen get 'em. If not find another serviceable vet and get a player that fits the description.)
3. Defense (Our best unit. You can always use more playmakers to create turnovers and create a short field for an offense regardless of how good they currently are.)


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[Zeno]

I'd guess:

1. QB
2. DT
3. OG
4. CB

I'd probably switch CB with TE but otherwise I agree with you on that.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ya know...I haven't. I have a few friends that live in the area and they mentioned something similar a few months ago but I think it's just worry at this point. Nothing definitive. If I do hear something you'll be the first to know. =) Don't get me wrong...I think White is a good player and could turn out to be a very good pro. I just think Bush is on another plane of existance, at this point.



PK1

Hmm the guys on the UCLA boards seem convinced White may miss the first semester. Carroll has said White is working hard to regain his eligibility but says it won't be easy.

I can't explain it I just think White will probably turn out to be the best pro out of that backfield , better than Bush or Leinart. 5.4 YPC for 2 years, 28 TD's while sharing the offense with Leinart, Mike Williams, Jarrett, Bush et al. Tends to get nicked up a lot but a great power runner with speed and just one of those guys who always gets yards.

If we hadn't gotten Arrington this year White was really high on my wish list for next year. Given his academics I'd say it's pretty likely he comes out the same year as Bush. Bush is amazing to watch would love for him to be a Cardinal.

 

[Poorknight1]

Hmm the guys on the UCLA boards seem convinced White may miss the first semester. Carroll has said White is working hard to regain his eligibility but says it won't be easy.

I can't explain it I just think White will probably turn out to be the best pro out of that backfield , better than Bush or Leinart. 5.4 YPC for 2 years, 28 TD's while sharing the offense with Leinart, Mike Williams, Jarrett, Bush et al. Tends to get nicked up a lot but a great power runner with speed and just one of those guys who always gets yards.

Could very well happen. I don't doubt there's some homerism going on amongst my friends so it really wouldn't shock me if he did have to sit.

You have to wonder though how much of White's production comes from the talent around him. You really could argue the same point for anyone on that team, I suppose. I just have a feeling his numbers will dip dramatically once Bush and Leinart leave if for no other reason he'll be seen as the only threat offensively until other guys step up.


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[Russ Smith]

Could very well happen. I don't doubt there's some homerism going on amongst my friends so it really wouldn't shock me if he did have to sit.

You have to wonder though how much of White's production comes from the talent around him. You really could argue the same point for anyone on that team, I suppose. I just have a feeling his numbers will dip dramatically once Bush and Leinart leave if for no other reason he'll be seen as the only threat offensively until other guys step up.


PK1

Agreed, except I don't think he'll be there. If he's borderline ineligible now there's no way he won't come out next year(unless he misses the whole year).

NFL draft countdown rates him 4th among RB's in his class, Reggie Bush first, Maroney 2nd, Michael Bush(Louisville kid I've been raving about converted QB extremely powerful) and then White.

You're probably right Bush is just too electric to slide too far we'll probably never have a shot at getting him. I'm willing to take that risk to be a better team!