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ugh Bender should have went up strong and dunked it. Instead he had his layup blocked.


He needs to learn to go strong to the hoop. No finesse BS.
The training staff needs to force feed him big macs and have him in the weight room lifting heavy the rest of the year. - This also goes for Chriss.
 
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He needs to learn to go strong to the hoop. No finesse BS.
The training staff needs to force feed him big macs and have him in the weight room lifting heavy the rest of the year.
I agree. Strength is a need for him.
His frame..just his frame...right now reminds me of Kevin Durant.
 

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Bender has to move better without the basketball. He just stands in the corner or sets a weak screen...has to do more than just that.
 

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Chriss is a year younger than Amare was.

I dont like Bender right now, everything that looks good about him has to be qualified with "for a 7 footer". The problem is that he has not shown any ability to do the basic things I would expect from a 7'1.

He cant defend inside, does not rebound, fouls a ton, does not block shots, cant get leverage on guards in the post and is very weak finishing what should be easy baskets around the rim.

I like Bender a lot at this stage of his career. He has all the skills: ball-handling, shooting, and perimeter defense. Inside scoring and rebounding will come with time. All he needs to do is add some weight and some muscle to play inside. Bender is 18 and Chriss is 19 not that Chriss has shown me more.

Bender still had 10 points and 9 rebounds today.
 
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Nice drive by Ulis

Isiah Thomas hasn't been able to quit talking (literally) about Ulis in summer league. He says nothing but good things about him, especially how he runs the team. Earl Watson made a remark at halftime something to the effect, if Ulis makes the team. Thomas was all over this remark saying something to the effect are you joking?

Tyler Ulis has been most impressive.
 

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Probably not going to get my wish but I want to see Kuric and Troy Williams on this roster at the expense of whoever.
 

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Probably not going to get my wish but I want to see Kuric and Troy Williams on this roster at the expense of whoever.

I like these two players a lot based on summer league. I have to think the Suns are looking for the right trade to trim the roster. I'm surprised the Suns kept John Jenkins at least temporarily. This makes me think the Suns are looking at trade options perhaps with their guards or SFs.
 

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Kuric does not provide anythign besides the ability to make open 3s.

I don't see how he should take someones roster spot. Troy Williams I think should be the 15th guy on the roster.
 

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Kuric does not provide anythign besides the ability to make open 3s.

I don't see how he should take someones roster spot. Troy Williams I think should be the 15th guy on the roster.

I think you're selling Kuric short but even still, there comes a time when you need someone that's a real threat from 3. I'd rather see him on the bench than Archie Goodwin.
 

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I like Bender a lot at this stage of his career. He has all the skills: ball-handling, shooting, and perimeter defense. Inside scoring and rebounding will come with time. All he needs to do is add some weight and some muscle to play inside. Bender is 18 and Chriss is 19 not that Chriss has shown me more.

Bender still had 10 points and 9 rebounds today.



These skills never came for Zarko, Bargnani or Skita. So I am not assuming they will just magically appear because he has not even shown basic abilities in that regard.

Also I find it laughable when you say he has shown "shooting skills". He is shooting what? Below 30% in summer league? The only thing impressive so far is as I said before the shooting touch for his size but not in comparison to.

Bender 8.5ppg 6rpg 4topg 28%FG 28%3s 31mpg

Chriss is averaging 10ppg 9rpg 3topg 30%FG 30mpg

Also Bender is 19 in November, Chriss turned 19 in July. You make it sound like they are a year apart. Bender is playing organised pro basketball for a long time now. Chriss is playing basketball since 6 years and is in a pro environment for the first time.
Chriss is nowhere near what he will be physically, just look into his face. He is still a boy.
 

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I think you're selling Kuric short but even still, there comes a time when you need someone that's a real threat from 3. I'd rather see him on the bench than Archie Goodwin.

Luckily McDonough is smart enough not to drop a 21yro Goodwin for a 27 year old Kyle Kuric.
 

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Luckily McDonough is smart enough not to drop a 21yro Goodwin for a 27 year old Kyle Kuric.

He'll drop a 21 year old Goodwin because Goodwin has not improved much, is unwilling to play in D League but clearly needs to, and is about to be a free agent. Kuric's age won't matter, they don't check the birth certificate when the ball goes through the hoop. He's not a long term player, he's just the kind of end of the bench specialist you keep around for those occasional moments when that kind of specialist can mean the difference between winning and losing.

I'm not at all positive that we'll keep Kuric. But I'm pretty sure that Goodwin's time with Phoenix is running out.
 
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I like Bender a lot at this stage of his career. He has all the skills: ball-handling, shooting, and perimeter defense. Inside scoring and rebounding will come with time. All he needs to do is add some weight and some muscle to play inside. Bender is 18 and Chriss is 19 not that Chriss has shown me more.

Bender still had 10 points and 9 rebounds today.

I've been pleasantly surprised by Bender. I don't know if he'll ever be a star but he'll be a plus player for most of his career, the kind of player that makes his teammates better. Right now the team considers him a combo forward but I think he's ideally suited to play the 4 in today's game.
 

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Bender was pretty good and Ulis was fantastic. Hope Chriss is back for the next game.

I'm very positive to the young core and likable veterans that McD has assembled. Hopefully he won't mess it up too much with a trade.

C Chandler, Len
PF Dudley, Chriss
SF Warren, Bender
SG Booker, Knight, Barbosa
PG Bledsoe, Ulis

The possibilities are endless!
 
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These skills never came for Zarko, Bargnani or Skita. So I am not assuming they will just magically appear because he has not even shown basic abilities in that regard.

Also I find it laughable when you say he has shown "shooting skills". He is shooting what? Below 30% in summer league? The only thing impressive so far is as I said before the shooting touch for his size but not in comparison to.

Bender 8.5ppg 6rpg 4topg 28%FG 28%3s 31mpg

Chriss is averaging 10ppg 9rpg 3topg 30%FG 30mpg

Also Bender is 19 in November, Chriss turned 19 in July. You make it sound like they are a year apart. Bender is playing organised pro basketball for a long time now. Chriss is playing basketball since 6 years and is in a pro environment for the first time.
Chriss is nowhere near what he will be physically, just look into his face. He is still a boy.
Ugh, we get it, man. He is on the team. Let it go. He was not drafted at the expense of Chriss.
 

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We play tomorrow at 6 p.m eastern? Can anyone confirm this?

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These skills never came for Zarko, Bargnani or Skita. So I am not assuming they will just magically appear because he has not even shown basic abilities in that regard.

Also I find it laughable when you say he has shown "shooting skills". He is shooting what? Below 30% in summer league? The only thing impressive so far is as I said before the shooting touch for his size but not in comparison to.

Bender 8.5ppg 6rpg 4topg 28%FG 28%3s 31mpg

Chriss is averaging 10ppg 9rpg 3topg 30%FG 30mpg

Also Bender is 19 in November, Chriss turned 19 in July. You make it sound like they are a year apart. Bender is playing organised pro basketball for a long time now. Chriss is playing basketball since 6 years and is in a pro environment for the first time.
Chriss is nowhere near what he will be physically, just look into his face. He is still a boy.

Perhaps you should look Bender in the face.

I'm not sure why you always want to disparage Bender so you can elevate Chriss. The Suns need both players to improve and compliment each other.

In regard to shooting skills, this is what the Suns are thinking in regard to Bender.

“We just want him to get that experience,” Bjorkgren said. “We’ve played him at the 3, today we played him a lot more at the 4. We want to give him experience guarding different guys.”

Suns general manager Ryan McDonough has said he thinks Bender can eventually become an elite defender who can switch out on the perimeter with ease. Bender’s nowhere close to that yet, but twice on Thursday a smaller Heat guard tried to beat Bender one-on-one to the basket, and twice they failed.

Bender played minimally last year with Maccabi Tel Aviv, so he can use all the professional minutes he can get right now before playing the actual, pressure-packed games come October.

His 3-point stroke is as smooth as they come, but he’s still a ways from knocking down those shots consistently. He made two of nine long-range shots on Thursday, with one coming out of the corner on a nice under-the-basket dish from Tyler Ulis.

“We want to turn him loose and shoot the open ones when they’re there,” Bjorkgren said. “And I’m telling you, he hit a couple of them tonight. It’s just a matter of time when they start falling 40 percent of the time, so he’s a very good shooter.”

From a Matthew Bain article at azcentral.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...-dragan-bender-turn-loose-perimeter/87112292/
 

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I've been pleasantly surprised by Bender. I don't know if he'll ever be a star but he'll be a plus player for most of his career, the kind of player that makes his teammates better. Right now the team considers him a combo forward but I think he's ideally suited to play the 4 in today's game.

We agree about Bender although I would not rule him out being a star down the road. It's too early to project. He was the youngest player in the draft. I would not rule Chriss out as becoming a star either but Bender has much more room for his body to develop (with his frame). I like how the Suns want to use him at the top of the key to initiate the offense. He could become really good at this given time. Plus with additional weight and strength, he can drive it down the lane from this position. He is not ready for that now but he showed a glimpse. There was one play where he started to drive from this position but wisely pulled up for a sweet jump shot. Bender may be best suited to play the 4 position now, but if he develops, I can see him getting minutes at the 3, 4 and 5 position in today's NBA. He looks to be very versatile.
 

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We agree about Bender although I would not rule him out being a star down the road. It's too early to project. He was the youngest player in the draft. I would not rule Chriss out as becoming a star either but Bender has much more room for his body to develop (with his frame). I like how the Suns want to use him at the top of the key to initiate the offense. He could become really good at this given time. Plus with additional weight and strength, he can drive it down the lane from this position. He is not ready for that now but he showed a glimpse. There was one play where he started to drive from this position but wisely pulled up for a sweet jump shot. Bender may be best suited to play the 4 position now, but if he develops, I can see him getting minutes at the 3, 4 and 5 position in today's NBA. He looks to be very versatile.

I wasn't ruling him out, just making the point that although he might not become a star (might not) he'll still likely be a very valuable player. For all I know he could become an all time great, I have no idea. But I see the fundamentals and measureables that suggest he'll have a long, successful NBA career.
 

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I wasn't ruling him out, just making the point that although he might not become a star (might not) he'll still likely be a very valuable player. For all I know he could become an all time great, I have no idea. But I see the fundamentals and measureables that suggest he'll have a long, successful NBA career.

I'm just hoping Bender, Chriss and Ulis become pieces of the Suns foundation. Accolades can come later.
 

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Kuric does not provide anythign besides the ability to make open 3s.

I don't see how he should take someones roster spot. Troy Williams I think should be the 15th guy on the roster.
I agree with slin here. Kuric doesn't appear to provide anything that special. He's an ok 3pt shooter but he even struggled with that in the 2nd half of the last game.

Troy Williams is interesting. I need to see a little more but yea I wouldn't be surprised to see him make it.
 
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