How would you change the Oline?

[NashDishesDimes]

I always think theres better ways to utilize our Oline. I wish we still had Deuce for one...

I would do something like this...

Ground and pound with the right side and play action since we have no QB

LT - Bridges - held off Jared Allen one game starting at LT in 09 with a little help. Thats good enough for me. At least he wont make dumb penalties like Levi over there.

LG - Colledge - decent pass pro

C - Sendlein - meehhh gets the job done

RG - Levi - hes a beast in the run game but lacks the quickness and technique for a tackle. Let him become a pro bowler at RG like Big Leonard Davis. He can open up some holes for RW and Steamin Bean.

RT - Massie - throw him into the fire. If nothing else, he will be a strong run blocker.

TE - King in the base formation. I like our other TEs but the way our offense is constructed we dont have the QB to hit Housler and Heap even when they are open. King is like a 6th Olinemen almost, let him help the tackles in pass pro and move some kids in the run game.

They can ground and pound to the strong side with this lineup and use play action to cover up Massie and Bridges. Move king and Sherman around to help in pass pro.

Only way to get consistency out of this offense right now

Other thoughts?

 

[Syracusecards]

Fire Russ Grimm and hire somebody who actually can coach. His Pitt O-lines sucked and so do ours. I don't care what that poster says about being given crap to work with, there are plenty of coaches doing a better job with the same or worse. He's the Mean Joe of the offense when it comes to coaching.

 

[Shane]

I Would put Batiste at RT

 

[Buckybird]

I Would put Batiste at RT

Did you use your magic 8 ball to imagine that?

How would I change the Oline? I would go back to June & not resign #75...problem solved

 

[PrescottLooie]

SHANE, D’Anthony Batiste has been named the starter at RT.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Oh and put Dockett at FB in the two TE sets

 

[desertdawg]

Fire Grimm dot com, hire someone who has to earn their paycheck...not some HOFer who is just down with the club.

 

[Chopper0080]

I always think theres better ways to utilize our Oline. I wish we still had Deuce for one...

I would do something like this...

Ground and pound with the right side and play action since we have no QB

LT - Bridges - held off Jared Allen one game starting at LT in 09 with a little help. Thats good enough for me. At least he wont make dumb penalties like Levi over there.

LG - Colledge - decent pass pro

C - Sendlein - meehhh gets the job done

RG - Levi - hes a beast in the run game but lacks the quickness and technique for a tackle. Let him become a pro bowler at RG like Big Leonard Davis. He can open up some holes for RW and Steamin Bean.

RT - Massie - throw him into the fire. If nothing else, he will be a strong run blocker.

TE - King in the base formation. I like our other TEs but the way our offense is constructed we dont have the QB to hit Housler and Heap even when they are open. King is like a 6th Olinemen almost, let him help the tackles in pass pro and move some kids in the run game.

They can ground and pound to the strong side with this lineup and use play action to cover up Massie and Bridges. Move king and Sherman around to help in pass pro.

Only way to get consistency out of this offense right now

Other thoughts?

1-Lets stop glorifying what Jeremy Bridges is, and that is a quality backup OT. Did he have a great game a couple years ago against Jared Allen? Yes. Has he played anywhere close to as well in the following games he has started? No.

2-Levi Brown does not have the required skill set to play OG. He is not the freakish athlete that Leonard Davis was, not even close. Levi Brown would give up consistent gap pressure because he lacks top lateral movement. He is not an OG.

 

[Chopper0080]

I guess I should answer the question if I am going to make snarky comments to the thread starter.

1: Leave Levi Brown at LT. He is average at best, but he is the best OT we have. Let him settle in at LT during the preseason. He gives up pressure off the edge, but can generally limit inside rush moves which, if the interior of the pocket holds up, allows Qbs to move up in the pocket to avoid the that outside rusher.

2: Start Senio Kelemente at LG. I don't like moving two players, but this is the spot he has the most reps in on the side of the line he has played on since college. It also puts him between two veterans. Senio's athleticism and ability to get blocks on the second level of the defense could really open up our running game, especially on backside cut backs. He will struggle with strength, but I will take that as it should improve during the season.

3: Move Darryn Colledge to RG and let him battle with Adam Snyder. Neither are very athletic or strong at point of attack, but I think Colledge is smart enough to adjust to the right side and is more consistent than Snyder. It would at least provide some consistency next to our RT position.

4: Let Bridges and Batiste battle for the starting RT spot, and let Massie figure out what it means to play in the pros. From what I have seen he is lazy, and just needs to figure out the level of play needed at this level to be successful because he has the physical tools.

5: Add more talent to the offensive line in the offseason at OC & RG specifically, and potentially at RT, again. I would love to have a physical OC for once, and I feel both Colledge and Snyder are crappy at best. Hopefully Massie learns what it takes to be a pro, but if not, Jake Mathews from Texas A&M will be available in the 2nd round. His dad Bruce was pretty good.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

1-Lets stop glorifying what Jeremy Bridges is, and that is a quality backup OT. Did he have a great game a couple years ago against Jared Allen? Yes. Has he played anywhere close to as well in the following games he has started? No.

2-Levi Brown does not have the required skill set to play OG. He is not the freakish athlete that Leonard Davis was, not even close. Levi Brown would give up consistent gap pressure because he lacks top lateral movement. He is not an OG.

All of our linemen are quality backups. Nobody is saying Bridges is an all pro, but this might be a good way to maximize the use of our linemen and use the strengths they do have. The difference between Bridges and Levi at LT cant be much but the difference between Levi at guard over Snyder could be a lot.

How was leonard davis a freakish athlete? He was just huge and strong that was it. He was a terrible pass blocker even at guard. Levi may not be as strong as Davis but he would presumebly be more athletic at the position, hence better pass pro.

I like your reccomendation in your second post as well. Putting a 5th rd rookie next to Levi is sort of scary but i likemthe idea of allowing Colledge tomtake Snyders spot. The only thing i disagree with is Massie not starting. Our line is so bad that we dont really have time for him to develop. Throw him in the fire and let him learn as fast as possible. Maybe by week 6 or 8, he is a solid starter and better than Bridges. We need to know what we have in him going into the next draft as well.

 

[Snakester]

This is an easy one. Sign Eric Winston and draft David Decastro. The right side of the line is great. Next year draft a left tackle in the first round and a center in the second round.

 

[Unsterblich856]

Put Senio Kelemete at RG and whoever will win the RT competition, good enough. I'd rather at least have the left side have continuity, seemed to work out alright at the end of last season.

If Kolb wins the job it won't matter what's done anyway, he'll just want to abandon the pocket.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Until they start drafting to fix the OL it will continue to be a mix and match unit. So far, the only player with promise from this years draft class is Kalemete. But, it's still very early.

 

[Garthshort]

Shane, b/t/w, posted his solution after the fact, or else it could be said that he doesn't know any more than the coaching staff. Now that would be an insult.

 

[Duckjake]

Fire Grimm dot com, hire someone who has to earn their paycheck...not some HOFer who is just down with the club.

Precisely. They can fix the offensive line the same way they finally improved the defense after 4 years, hire a new energetic offensive line coach to replace Grimm. A Horton for the offense.

 

[cardpa]

Fire Grimm. The only thing that has been consistent is Grimm which = BAD! How many linemen have come and gone and in all that time none have ever gotten substantially better under Grimm. It defy the odds that every last linemen under Grimm's watch have just been no talent bums.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Fire Grimm. The only thing that has been consistent is Grimm which = BAD! How many linemen have come and gone and in all that time none have ever gotten substantially better under Grimm. It defy the odds that every last linemen under Grimm's watch have just been no talent bums.

I'm not a Grimm fan but he hasn't been handed a boat load of talent to work with either. I can't think of any Cards linemen who has left that has made any sort of impact in the NFL. I think Davis was gone before they arrived. It's hard to have a good OL with retreads, old guys on their last legs, or UDFA, as the starting unit. Look at the guys we are talking about:

Snyder- retread
Colledge-retread
Sendlein- UDFA
Batiste- don't even know, UDFA?
Bridges- career backup, retread.
Young- UDFA, I think.
Massie- 4th rounder
Kalemete- 5th rounder
Potter- 7th rounder

Guys who have left that started:
Faneca- never played again
Keith- sitting at home
Lutui- too fat to play
Gandy- don't think he ever played again
Reggie Wells- backup somewhere

As you can see, there has not been much talent for Grimm(again, I'm not a fan) to work with. When Levi Brown has been your most talented O-linemen the last 5 years, you're OL is going to struggle.

 

[Stout]

I'm not a Grimm fan but he hasn't been handed a boat load of talent to work with either. I can't think of any Cards linemen who has left that has made any sort of impact in the NFL. I think Davis was gone before they arrived. It's hard to have a good OL with retreads, old guys on their last legs, or UDFA, as the starting unit. Look at the guys we are talking about:

Snyder- retread
Colledge-retread
Sendlein- UDFA
Batiste- don't even know, UDFA?
Bridges- career backup, retread.
Young- UDFA, I think.
Massie- 4th rounder
Kalemete- 5th rounder
Potter- 7th rounder

Guys who have left that started:
Faneca- never played again
Keith- sitting at home
Lutui- too fat to play
Gandy- don't think he ever played again
Reggie Wells- backup somewhere

As you can see, there has not been much talent for Grimm(again, I'm not a fan) to work with. When Levi Brown has been your most talented O-linemen the last 5 years, you're OL is going to struggle.

Utter bunk. Many of these crappy linemen are players that Grimm hand-picked, wanted to groom, and raved about. So Grimm gets exactly no leeway on the line sucking.

 

[Goldfield]

Color me unimpressed with Grimm.

 

[Chopper0080]

All of our linemen are quality backups. Nobody is saying Bridges is an all pro, but this might be a good way to maximize the use of our linemen and use the strengths they do have. The difference between Bridges and Levi at LT cant be much but the difference between Levi at guard over Snyder could be a lot.

How was leonard davis a freakish athlete? He was just huge and strong that was it. He was a terrible pass blocker even at guard. Levi may not be as strong as Davis but he would presumebly be more athletic at the position, hence better pass pro.

I like your reccomendation in your second post as well. Putting a 5th rd rookie next to Levi is sort of scary but i likemthe idea of allowing Colledge tomtake Snyders spot. The only thing i disagree with is Massie not starting. Our line is so bad that we dont really have time for him to develop. Throw him in the fire and let him learn as fast as possible. Maybe by week 6 or 8, he is a solid starter and better than Bridges. We need to know what we have in him going into the next draft as well.

I honestly do not know how to respond to that. Did you ever watch him play? Size, speed, strength. A freakish athlete.

 

[MadCardDisease]

1-Lets stop glorifying what Jeremy Bridges is, and that is a quality backup OT. Did he have a great game a couple years ago against Jared Allen? Yes. Has he played anywhere close to as well in the following games he has started? No.

And on top of that Bridges had help most of the game against the Vikings. There was always a TE or RB that would chip Allen.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Utter bunk. Many of these crappy linemen are players that Grimm hand-picked, wanted to groom, and raved about. So Grimm gets exactly no leeway on the line sucking.

Just because Grimm picked some of them doesn't mean that they are any good. My point is, while I don't like Grimm, you can't say there has been alot of talented offensive linemen on the roster. I'm saying the Cards need to bring in some talent on the OL if they ever want to be any good on the OL.

 

[JeffGollin]

Right now - start the 5 best guys, and give our younger players "most favored nation" status in case of ties.

Make "making rebuilding the O-line" during the next offseason our top priority and overpay and overdraft for talent, if necessary if that's what it will take to build a talented, deep and sustainable offensive line. If that means changing the blocking scheme or replacing Russ Grimm with someone better, pull the trigger (but not just because we'd feel good firing somebody - the new OL coach & his system would have to be significantly better)

 

[Duckjake]

Guys who have left that started:
Faneca- never played again
Keith- sitting at home
Lutui- too fat to play
Gandy- don't think he ever played again
Reggie Wells- backup somewhere

On the other hand every one of those guys except Keith started for years elsewhere or in Arizona AND started on an offensive line in a Super Bowl in just the last 5 seasons.

Faneca, Lutui, Gandy and Wells combined started 370 NFL games. They may not have played after but they sure played before.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

I honestly do not know how to respond to that. Did you ever watch him play? Size, speed, strength. A freakish athlete.

First off all, argue with some respect because i know you wouldnt talk that to my face. Secondly, Levi and L Davis both ran 5.3's at the combine so i doubt hes a "freakish athlete" compared to Levi