Huge draft Alteration!

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What's the next step?

A college player wants to play for a particular team, so never declares for the draft. Another team drafts him anyway. Will he be able to challenge this in court on these merits;

1. He never agreed to be in the draft thus making him a free agent
2. All teams are individually owned franchises, independant of each other
3. Not allowing him to negotiate with a team of his choosing is violating antitrust laws
 
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my questions is that per the judge she says it is illegal to deny him the right to earn a living using his talent. So my question is then if I have a talent for teh medical profession does this mean I can sue the medical board of examiners after I graduate high school and say I shouldnt have to go to college for 8 years before I can begin performing surgeries and such???? Thats what is happening here, is teh judge is basically saying as long aas you know how to play you shouldnt have to go thru the steps required to join the ranks of the professionals, so shouldnt this be able to be used in any profession?



This is why I think they NFL still has a shot, I think if they can provide some proof that the reason they require 3 years of experience first is for the protection of everyone in the profession then they will be able to win.
 

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Doctors, Lawyers, et.al, have to pass boards to practice. So, no, an 18 year old kid with no college will not win a legal challenge to practice medicine.

Too big of a deal is being made out of this. Very, very few 18-19 yr olds can jump to the pros. And, few NFL teams can afford the luxury of holding onto an 18 yr old for two or three years until they are ready to play. The nature of the NFL beast will keep this from getting too out of hand.
 

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First, even though it is possible, I think it highly unlikely that a HS player...even a phenom...will be drafted. Biggest reason is, unless the NFL teams scouting departments are so vast that they can also scout HS games, they will have very little if anything to go on for drafting purposes.

Second, while I expect a fair number of Frosh/Soph players to suddenly commit, I am not expecting some wild land rush here. Many of these guys will end up 2nd day picks and will likely lose money in the long run even though they trick themselves into believing they are striking while the iron is hot. What this particular development is going to cause is a high number of guys who drop out of school to get drafted, make very little money in the NFL and then end up working in the local Dunkin Donuts.

As a side note, I predict the NFL will likely find themselves with a death on their hands with some young undeveloped kid getting steamrolled in a scrimmage...or game situation. JMHO

I am no legal eagle here...perhaps Ouchie or someone familiar with the law can clarify...but doesn;t the simple act of appealing the ruling essentially freeze out everyone until it is heard? I mean wouldn't this be considered bypassing the US justice system if they appeal but cannot prevent it from happening because the appeal cannot be heard in time?

The example I am mentally using is a death row case. Convict is scheduled for death...he appeals it but we don;t say "Too bad, can't hear the appeal on time." The execution is stayed until the appeal is heard. So wouldn't the same theory apply?

Finally, another legal question. Can the League (owners) and the union redo their agreement after this to include some way of keeping these young guys out? I thought I had heard at one point that the reason the NFL was going to lose was because there was no stipulation in the CBA to prevent this from happening.
 

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Originally posted by Northern Card
FROM NFL DRAFT BLITZ

Clarett Changes The Draft Forever

The judge presiding over the Maurice Clarett case ruled today that the NFL's rule precluding players who have not yet been out of high school for three years to be a violation of antitrust laws. He will be allowed into this year's NFL draft. For now on, any player 18 years of age or older will be eligible to declare for the draft. This ruling may be appealed by the NFL, but there is essentially no chance of having the ruling overturned.
According to anti-trust experts, the NFL does have a chance of winning on appeal. Look at Major League Baseball, they have always had an anti-trust exemption. This crazy judge is far from the last word in this case.

And I agree with the posters who said that their won't be a flood of new applicants. You just can't compare the NFL to baseball, basketball and hockey. 18 and 19-year-olds just aren't physically or mentally prepared for the pounding they will take in the NFL.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1728262
 

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I really don't think we will see too many High Schoolers jumping to the NFL, simply because they will be drafted late in the draft (probably 2nd round on vary rare occasions, but after 4th in most). The reason is because the contracts in the NFL aren't guaranteed beyond the signing bonus. The top RB in the country, Adrian Peterson, has gone on record stating the only way he would declare is if he was guaranteed 2 or 3 million signing bonus, i.e, first round. Its just not worth it for the top players because if they wait until they have shown they can do it at college for 2 or 3 years, they can get drafted higher and hence get a much larger signing bonus.
 

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If I'm a junior, I'm going to court on Monday???????????
My understanding is that the League position is that Juniors had their chance to enter and will not be given a second chance to do so.

Therefore, the only Juniors who might have a gripe would be those who came out early but might have second thoughts having to compete with an expanded pool of underclassmen and, therefore, might have otherwise opted to stay in school.

Why would a Junior who already elected to stay in school change his mind because MORE underclassmen might enter the draft? It wouldn't be in his best interest.

I doubt if there would be many Juniors who came out who are quaking in their boots because a few hotshot high schoolers, freshmen or sophs declared before March 1 (But if there are a few, they should be given the opportunity to "undeclare.")

My guess - Much adoo about nothing. There may be a few young'uns who'll declare for the draft, but they won't have an impact on at least the first couple of rounds.

Where you may see an impact is in the late rounds and among the UFDA pool - where teams may grab a few promising youngsters, stick them on the practice squad and then NFL Europe for a year to buy some bring them along slowly.

I could also see the possibility down the road of:

1.) Roster classification and size changes to accomodate the expanded prospect pool and bring underclassmen along more slowly (maybe an expanded practice squad or a mechanism by which a team could protect underclassman pickups for an extra year or two)

2.) Some sort of legitimate minor league (either in addition to or an expansion of NFL Europe) where young prospects can have more time to develop, mature and learn the ropes before being thrown to the wolves.
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
If I'm a junior, I'm going to court on Monday???????????
My understanding is that the League position is that Juniors had their chance to enter and will not be given a second chance to do so.

Therefore, the only Juniors who might have a gripe would be those who came out early but might have second thoughts having to compete with an expanded pool of underclassmen and, therefore, might have otherwise opted to stay in school.

Why would a Junior who already elected to stay in school change his mind because MORE underclassmen might enter the draft? It wouldn't be in his best interest.

I doubt if there would be many Juniors who came out who are quaking in their boots because a few hotshot high schoolers, freshmen or sophs declared before March 1 (But if there are a few, they should be given the opportunity to "undeclare.")

My guess - Much adoo about nothing. There may be a few young'uns who'll declare for the draft, but they won't have an impact on at least the first couple of rounds.

Where you may see an impact is in the late rounds and among the UFDA pool - where teams may grab a few promising youngsters, stick them on the practice squad and then NFL Europe for a year to buy some bring them along slowly.

I could also see the possibility down the road of:

1.) Roster classification and size changes to accomodate the expanded prospect pool and bring underclassmen along more slowly (maybe an expanded practice squad or a mechanism by which a team could protect underclassman pickups for an extra year or two)

2.) Some sort of legitimate minor league (either in addition to or an expansion of NFL Europe) where young prospects can have more time to develop, mature and learn the ropes before being thrown to the wolves.

Another option, woulfd to sign an official development agreement with the CFL... It has the advantage of saving the league the cost of establishing new, or in the case of NFL Europe, further expansion.
 

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My grandson has 3 years of Pop Warner football and we are declaring this week in court that at 95 lbs he should be eligable for this years draft. His agent says we have a great chance of getting in. Jesse would like to play for Tampa and wont play forn anyother team , so he wants his pick hopefully in the first round to be passed to Tampa or the lawyer says we can declare free agency just like Curt Flood did for baseball. It's going to be a long fight but I believe we will win I also believe in the WMD or still there in a hotel checked in as William myron Davidoff!

GBR
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
If I'm a junior, I'm going to court on Monday???????????
My understanding is that the League position is that Juniors had their chance to enter and will not be given a second chance to do so.

Therefore, the only Juniors who might have a gripe would be those who came out early but might have second thoughts having to compete with an expanded pool of underclassmen and, therefore, might have otherwise opted to stay in school.

Why would a Junior who already elected to stay in school change his mind because MORE underclassmen might enter the draft? It wouldn't be in his best interest.

I doubt if there would be many Juniors who came out who are quaking in their boots because a few hotshot high schoolers, freshmen or sophs declared before March 1 (But if there are a few, they should be given the opportunity to "undeclare.")

My guess - Much adoo about nothing. There may be a few young'uns who'll declare for the draft, but they won't have an impact on at least the first couple of rounds.

Where you may see an impact is in the late rounds and among the UFDA pool - where teams may grab a few promising youngsters, stick them on the practice squad and then NFL Europe for a year to buy some bring them along slowly.

I could also see the possibility down the road of:

1.) Roster classification and size changes to accomodate the expanded prospect pool and bring underclassmen along more slowly (maybe an expanded practice squad or a mechanism by which a team could protect underclassman pickups for an extra year or two)

2.) Some sort of legitimate minor league (either in addition to or an expansion of NFL Europe) where young prospects can have more time to develop, mature and learn the ropes before being thrown to the wolves.

1. You gave 1 excellent scenario. Juniors who have declared wanting to un-declacre because of the sophs and freshman entering (and maybe high schoolers) and not wanting to compete.

2. But there is another scenario you overlooked. The NFL has NOT scouted sophs, HS kids, and freshman - so a Junior who did not declare might want to declare now - because if the NFL is open in the future to these young players they will be scouted more then they have been and a junior might get drafted higher this year then in the future. He might want to come out this year when he is valued higher then he might be next year.

That is what I was getting at both scenarios make sense it depends on what the junior things. When guys declared there was 1 system in place. That system is no longer in place and it MIGHT alter things. It is unfair to say juniors who didnt declare can't do so now - IF they want to. They said yes or no under a different set of standards - they should know have the right to either un-declare or declare until the deadline.

3. People keep mentioning that the draft is in jeopardy by this decision. It is not. It is NOT a restraint of trade. Whether the Cards draft you or NE you still get to practice your trade. The draft is not in jeopardy by this ruling or imo will it ever be in jeopardy. It doesnt restrain your right of trade. It simply says where you can practice that trade for a certain number of years and then you have the right to become a free agent. I think the draft is bulletproof.
 

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Originally posted by vikesfan
Are you serious? I can't believe they don't want to fight it some more. Or declare Clarett a one off thing.

New England just hit the motherlode.

Trading down seems even more appealing now. The more picks you have the more talent you can garner.

Trading down is completely STUPID!!!!!! Look at last year the value of the #3 overall pick just got higher and staying in the #3 spot becomes an even more obvious decision. Green can now land either Larry Fitzgerald or a Mike Williams if he declares. At the #3 the Cards are in position to land a stud, Why trade down and get 2 mediocre players. Thats like passing on Suggs or Leftwich, to land Pace and Johnson, it's a bad decision. There is no reason to do it.
 

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Originally posted by DevonCardsFan
Trading down is completely STUPID!!!!!! Look at last year the value of the #3 overall pick just got higher and staying in the #3 spot becomes an even more obvious decision. Green can now land either Larry Fitzgerald or a Mike Williams if he declares. At the #3 the Cards are in position to land a stud, Why trade down and get 2 mediocre players. Thats like passing on Suggs or Leftwich, to land Pace and Johnson, it's a bad decision. There is no reason to do it.


I meant trading down in general.

If M Williams doesn't declare and Fitz goes 1 or 2 then TRADE DOWN with a team that wants a QB.

Remember Leaf, McNown, Akili Smith etc etc --- unless you are not sold on Josh and are sold on Ben/Eli.
The Suggs trade down was silly. But letting Ben/Eli drop for nothing might be silly also.

The problem with the trade down last year was you passed on impact player in Suggs. But trade downs can work if you know what you are doing. The bad thing about the trade down last year is not only who you gave up but who you took: Pace and Bryant HUH? If you take Steinbach and Bailey you have 2 spots filled on your team with 8 years starters. Pace and Bryant
were bad selections imo.

And when I say trade down I don't mean just draft choices I am referring to actual players.
Lets say MIA gives you their #1 (you can still get a W Poole or D Hall with their pick) and they give you a 16 sack man in Ogunlye. That is great deal for a player who might turn out to be the next Manning or the next Leaf and will suck huge wads of money out your team budget either way. Maybe you squeeze a 3 out of them and take a flier on Clarett with it.


Think of the possibilities.
 
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