So Dave you’re on record as believing that the Hollywood/ertz combo is more important to the teams success than hop? I don’t know the numbers, and I’m not going to look them up, but I think it’s become pretty apparent over the past two years which has been the stronger indicator of success.
This is why stills are a stupid mechanism for review. In live action that ball came out hot and travelled less than 10 yards straight away. That ball has to be accurate but even taking your still, you can see Conner isn’t square to the ball and is clearly angled away from the side where mccoy threw it and threw it high. That was a bad pass that ended up unluckily being tipped into a defenders hands. Was it totally egregious? No. But the much greater portion of blame lays in mccoys arm than in conners hand.
See you’re using the word “expectation” again. I am not talking expectations. I am talking standards. There is a difference.
Also note in the second still frame where according to you he’s just waiting for the pass his right foot is almost squarely in the middle of the hash. In you’re first still, when he is attempting to catch the ball, his right foot is a good two yards to the left of where you claimed he was just sitting waiting for it. That means he was moving left - AWAY from the direction where mccoy threw it. So unless he was running left backwards, mccoys throw was behind him and he had to turn and try to catch it one-handed. Bad throw. Thank you for helping me prove my point.
Well i put the numbers right there in my post. And i'm on record as believing that "not having Hopkins for 6 games" is not a valid excuse for Murray playing poorly relative to McCoy, considering that McCoy didn't have EITHER Hollywood OR Ertz for either of his games... and Murray had either Hollywood and Ertz, or Hopkins and Ertz, for all of his.
Man you should know better than to argue comparing yardage. When they got it, how they got it, what it resulted in are all huge factors in how impactful they were on the teams success. Numbers lie all the time when discussing sports. What doesn’t tend to lie is the teams success with and without hop.
You're the one who started this part of the thread by quibbling with @BritCard's comparison of Murray and McCoy's stats by stating that the comparison was invalid because Murray didn't have Hopkins for 6 of 9 games. My claim is that having Hopkins for 3 games and Hollywood for 6, PLUS Ertz in all 9, was better overall than what McCoy had with Hopkins but no Hollywood OR Ertz.
As i said... Hopkins is GREAT, but if you want to claim that it's not valid to compare (3/9 Hopkins + 6/9 Hollywood + Ertz) to (Hopkins + no Ertz), then why don't YOU provide something to back it up?Reading comprehension, my buddy!
Excuse making. Another trait not found in true leaders. If DHOP retires tomorrow I guess KM’s career is over. Pretty sad.
You actually listed three minimal expectations. The first being subjective and can be impacted by many things. Standards should be easily measurable and not subjective. Average to above average scoring means what? Putting up twenty points against Niners and twenty against the Texans is not the same. Applying these across the board no matter what might make you feel good. Means nothing though.
If Dhop retired tomorrow, you replace him with another great receiver. And perhaps you give thought to building a great OL and a better D so that your offense isn’t pressured into scoring every time they have the ball in order to stay competitive in games. There are not many young great QB’s in NFL history that after 4 years was still dealing with a crappy OL, crappy D, crappy coaching, and their star WR1 having missed like 13-14 straight games. And yet, somehow, his leadership skills are supposed to overcome that constant crap. Kind of reminds me of what Archie Manning had to go through years ago in New Orleans. And trust me, Archie was every bit as good as his sons, and yet, his circumstances made it impossible to have a career that he should have had. Leadership is great & it’s icing on the cake for a great QB to have. At 25, do you think Bradshaw & Montana were great leaders? No, they were not. Bradshaw was whiny, and Montana was quieter than a church mouse. But, they were surrounded quickly by talent & great coaching. And only after that did they both win 4 SB’s. And only after that did they become their respective team leaders. NO QB can do it by themselves & the Cardinals organization isn’t doing Murray any favors.
Yours is a tired cliche also. The plan was to see what this offense could be with Hop, Hollywood, Ertz, and Moore on the field. And yet, we will see ZERO games this year with that group on the field. Add a team with the MOST injuries in the league & the worst defense in the league & it silly to NOT use that as an excuse. The greats CANNOT elevate those around them, when those around them are beyond being elevated.
All teams have injuries. The present state of the Cardinals is bad but the DHOP thing is getting old. Murray had Brown who is someone he wanted early in the year. Earlier in the year the OL wasn’t decimated. As far as the top players elevating those around them being a cliche? Actually, it is very real.
You forgot your qualifier. All of your standards assume the QB has all of his players healthy.
No, you’re wrong.You're the one who started this part of the thread by quibbling with @BritCard's comparison of Murray and McCoy's stats by stating that the comparison was invalid because Murray didn't have Hopkins for 6 of 9 games. My claim is that having Hopkins for 3 games and Hollywood for 6, PLUS Ertz in all 9, was better overall than what McCoy had with Hopkins but no Hollywood OR Ertz.
And you're the one who said, "I don’t know the numbers, and I’m not going to look them up" - so i did, and now you're claiming that I'm arguing comparing yardage.
Reading comprehension, my buddy!
Hope you had a great Thanksgiving!
...dave
I’m just going to just keep laughing at every post if your’s responding to me about being a leader because you have NO idea what you’re talking about and if you knew me, my background, etc you would be embarrassed this is freaking online sports board. There are no leadership positions on such. Even the moderators aren’t “leading,” they’re moderating. But you keep on being funny.
You and I just aren’t going to connect on anything so whatever you want to end with, I’ll let you have the last word.
Oh, if I knew you. LOL. I don't need to know you. I am embarrassed for you now. You are the one challenging everyone on who they believe is a leader is, including the definition. Oh, and you and others on the board have held several leadership positions and I probably never experienced real leadership. I mean are you for real? Gaslight away my friend.
Yes, all teams have injuries. But, the Cardinals LEAD the league in injuries. Big difference. Even if our OL wasn’t “decimated” earlier in the year, it was still a bad OL. And yes, Murray had Brown, and they were very good together. Just not good enough to overcome not having Hop playing. Bottom line, when your HC & DC both stink, you stink in the trenches on both sides of the ball, your WR1 has to sit 6 games, and then your WR2 gets hurt just as your WR1 returns, then there is very little left to elevate.
Good job. Enough of this silliness.
