I am starting to lose interest because . . .

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Of the poor play go Devin Booker. I hate to say it but he might not be as good as I thought. He is just not playing very efficiently let alone dominantly.

If one of the other rookies was playing better or if TJ was playing at all maybe I would be more interested.

I really don't need wins, just better play.

Seeing PJ, Dudley, and Leandro play marginally well creates no interest for me.


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And yet, he is the leading scorer on the team, and draws the toughest wing defender of the opponent (Paul George last night) because neither Tucker or Chriss are a threat in the least. He is easily the purest talent on the team. I want him to make every shot as well, and his PER is too low for a player of his [apparent] caliber. He forces too many shots, but in this no-motion offense where he has to create his own shot (on his wide open assisted 3-pt shot he was pure) against bigger/stronger/wiser guys, it is proving a little difficult for him at the moment.
That said, he is still easily the most interesting player on the team to watch - for me.
 

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And yet, he is the leading scorer on the team, and draws the toughest wing defender of the opponent (Paul George last night) because neither Tucker or Chriss are a threat in the least. He is easily the purest talent on the team. I want him to make every shot as well, and his PER is too low for a player of his [apparent] caliber. He forces too many shots, but in this no-motion offense where he has to create his own shot (on his wide open assisted 3-pt shot he was pure) against bigger/stronger/wiser guys, it is proving a little difficult for him at the moment.
That said, he is still easily the most interesting player on the team to watch - for me.

Solid post... I'll add - Booker just turned all of 20 years old. He is stuck on a very bad team that isn't anywhere near cohesive. So I have no doubt he is feeling the pressure to produce, and is there often times pressing... I feel for the kid.
 

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I agree with the two posters above me. Book is a young kid, on front page of scouting reports for every team. He is doing fine, and will get better. I do think that he needs TJ Warren (or a different scorer). Outside of Bledsoe to some degree, opposing teams really don't have to worry about anyone else. Suns don't have another explosive scorer. I think once TJ is back, Booker will start to look even better. Then he will continue to improve as he learns how to deal with being on the front page of scouting reports.
 

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The most glaring weakness in Booker's game is that he is a poor three-point shooter. After a torrid .403 in his first half-season, he was .287 after the All-Star break and is only .333 so far this year. The overall ineptitude of the Suns' offense deserves some of the blame, since he ends up with a lot of poor-quality looks (sometimes because of his own bad judgment). But even when he's open, he misses a lot more than he should.

I'd be curious to see the advanced stats on his 3FG% when unguarded or lightly guarded, compared to other starting SGs in the league. I would guess that he's near the bottom. He does a lot of things well, but he needs to improve his three-point shooting a lot to be a real force.
 

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Good points in this thread. I feel with original poster. Last couple of weeks I have done other things than watch the Suns lose playing Knight, Tucker, and not giving significant time to Bender and Ulis, even A1.

Also disappointed in 3P% of Booker. Thought he was way better. Don't know what's up with that.

Hope a trade is close and that TJ is back soon.
 

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Booker is one of those players that might show flashes but never really be consistent. He to me is shaping up to be that guy on your team that can drop 40 points one night and average 10 for the next few games.

He simply might not be the player we all hoped he would become. Yes he is still young but so were many of the dominate future all stars that seemed to show they had "it" even early on.
 

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Booker is one of those player that might show flashes but never really be consistent. He to me is shaping up to be that guy on your team that can drop 40 points one night and average 10 for the next few games.

He simply might not be the player we all hoped he would become. Yes he is still young but so were many of the dominate future all stars that seemed to show they had "it" even early on.
He's 20. Sheesh.

He was lightning in the beginning of his rookie year, but he's no Lebron James. Consistency is a problem for 99% of rookies and Booker is no different. The big difference here is that we've seen his capabilities and even having a down start doesn't erase those.
 

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He's 20. Sheesh.

He was lightning in the beginning of his rookie year, but he's no Lebron James. Consistency is a problem for 99% of rookies and Booker is no different. The big difference here is that we've seen his capabilities and even having a down start doesn't erase those.

I said exactly that. However, I do see a difference in him even verses Amare. When Amare was playing you could see the "it" and you just felt like he is going to explode. With Booker? I am not sure I feel the same way about him. He a young talented guy but like I said, it feels like he is going to be one of those guys we see night in a night out in the NBA that can score in bunches on occasion.
 

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IMO the biggest problem once again is the Phoenix Suns hype machine. If they're not promising playoffs they're showing us quote after quote about how Booker is the next MJ.

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I'm not losing interest in the Suns but I sometimes get frustrated by watching certain veterans play over youth. This season I was not expecting wins but I was expecting excitement. Nothing gets me more excited in the game than watching the younger players especially since the Suns are not going anywhere this season. Sometimes I think the Suns labor under the assumption they must play the veterans because it is their best chance to win. IMO, winning should not be the focus this season but rather coaching and developing the younger players.

The most frustrating players for me to watch are Tucker, Knight and maybe even Dudley. It's not because I dislike these players but I do not see them as the Suns core going forward. I'd like to see Derrick Jones Jr. get some minutes no matter how raw. Even more so I want to see Tyler Ulis play. I wonder if Alan Williams and John Jenkins can play or are they just roster fillers? The Suns must decide if Len is part of their future or part of the past. Sometimes I think the Suns worry too much about egos.
 

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What annoys me is seeing so little progress toward being a contender. I suspect that playing time in our poor offense in not helping our young guys that much. They're learning nothing about precision basketball. That might be true of the defense, too, but I'm not as worried about that because the main thing in any defense is staying in front of your own man - and dealing with the obstacles the opponents put in the way of doing it.
 

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What annoys me is seeing so little progress toward being a contender. I suspect that playing time in our poor offense in not helping our young guys that much. They're learning nothing about precision basketball. That might be true of the defense, too, but I'm not as worried about that because the main thing in any defense is staying in front of your own man - and dealing with the obstacles the opponents put in the way of doing it.

Talk about basketball precision, the team that I'm admiring as a role model for the Suns is the Utah Jazz. They are heavy with talent and are well coached both on offense and defense. I especially like how they move the ball. Quin Snyder has done a good job molding this team. I'd like to have Derrick Favors or Trey Lyles for the Suns but the Jazz do not seem to miss a beat even with Favors out.
 

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I'm disappointed in his play but I also realize that him and Bledsoe are literally the only two players on the entire current active roster for the Suns who are capable of creating their own shot effectively. Its basically like its Booker, Bledsoe and a D league roster playing. That's a lot of pressure for a 20 year old kid.

I do agree with whoever said it above that his 3pt shot needs to improve. His shooting from long distance isn't respected by his defender and this takes away many of what he wants to do within the midrange and the paint. He needs work on his 3pt shot and make it at least respectable, he misses many wide open ones too. He gets compared to Klay Thomson a lot and yet he isn't half as good a 3pt shooter or defender as Klay.

He's still the 3rd best player from his draft.
 

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He needs work on his 3pt shot and make it at least respectable, he misses many wide open ones too. He gets compared to Klay Thomson a lot and yet he isn't half as good a 3pt shooter or defender as Klay.

He does need to keep working on his shot, but you are being a little bit unrealistic here.

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Those gaps are there, sure, but the quality of shots attempted have a fairly wide gap as well. Booker would tell us "No excuses", I'm sure. He still has a ways to go and he probably wants to be better than Klay.

On that note, I watched the GS/UT game last night. In that blazing first quarter for GS, everyone was making shots and looked silky smooth. Steph was making crazy shots for and-1's, and Klay was dropping threes without rippling the net. The second quarter on was a completely different story. If you knew little about GS and your only viewing exposure was quarters 2-4, you would think "Wait, this is the team that people think is the best?". Steph was airballing threes and even a ten-footer. Klay couldn't hit anything. Durant sucked for most of the time. When the team wasn't going well, the shooters couldn't shoot for crap. Same guys. I look at those 2-4 quarters for GS like I look at the Suns season. Few bright moments, a lot of false hustle followed by lazy/dumb play. And the pure, technical shooters couldn't shoot.
 

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He does need to keep working on his shot, but you are being a little bit unrealistic here.

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Those gaps are there, sure, but the quality of shots attempted have a fairly wide gap as well. Booker would tell us "No excuses", I'm sure. He still has a ways to go and he probably wants to be better than Klay.
Klay averages 8 3pt attempts a game and Booker averages about half the amount of 3pt attempts as Klay. So even despite taking the double amount of 3s, he's still shooting much better from 3 even if it isn't from a wide margin on the % scale.

Also, Klay Thompson for his NBA career has never ever shot below 40% from 3. I can assure you that he will be in the 40% 3pt shooting once again this season.
 

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The second quarter on was a completely different story. If you knew little about GS and your only viewing exposure was quarters 2-4, you would think "Wait, this is the team that people think is the best?". Steph was airballing threes and even a ten-footer. Klay couldn't hit anything. Durant sucked for most of the time. When the team wasn't going well, the shooters couldn't shoot for crap. Same guys. I look at those 2-4 quarters for GS like I look at the Suns season. Few bright moments, a lot of false hustle followed by lazy/dumb play. And the pure, technical shooters couldn't shoot.

Right, that's why it's useful to look at averages, so that one's impression isn't distorted by a skewed sample one way or the other. Every shooter in the league goes through stretches of making a bunch and stretches of missing a bunch. That does not make them all equally good.
 

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Booker has played very well in my opnion. You also have to consider several things one being he is by far the one Suns player the other team keys in on. Eric Bledsoe and Knight are back when Booker went on that run last year he was pretty much the PG/SG but he dominated the ball.

He's also 3rd in scoring among second year players behind Towns and Porzingas. I don't know what people want
 

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Booker has played very well in my opnion. You also have to consider several things one being he is by far the one Suns player the other team keys in on. Eric Bledsoe and Knight are back when Booker went on that run last year he was pretty much the PG/SG but he dominated the ball.

He's also 3rd in scoring among second year players behind Towns and Porzingas. I don't know what people want

The thing missing from Booker's game this year is consistency in his shooting, which will help bring consistent scoring. All of his stats I'm using from last year are after the All Star break when Bledsoe, Knight, and Warren were out and Watson was the coach. He's averaging 18.7 ppg this year compared to 19.2 last year on virtually the same amount of shots, 16.6 this year vs 17 last season, making 7 now vs 6.8 last year. So his shooting % has gone up slightly but is still just 42%. He's also shooting just 31% from 3 this season on 5 attempts a game. His scoring averages this season are a bit deceptive though, he's played in 23 games and has had 9 games where he's scored 13 points or less and also has had 4 games of 30 or more, which cancel each other out in a way and bring him back to his 18.7 ppg average. Out of the 23 games though he's only scored within 2 point +/- of his average 6 times this season. He's getting the same amount of shots but not converting as much as I'm sure anyone would like. With more help on offense with Bledsoe, Knight, and Warren returning you'd think his shooting % would increase but it really hasn't. Some nights his shot is on and some nights it's off, which happens, but instead of facilitating for others when it's not falling he's been forcing more bad shots trying to force his offense. He was a more willing playmaker last year despite having less quality players and scorers on the court with him. I think all of the hype has created some pressure for him and he feels like he needs to keep throwing up shots and make something happen rather than letting the game come to him some.

For someone who many predicted was nothing but a shooter coming into the league though he's shot rather poorly overall. 31% from 3 this season is bad, especially when he's shooting 5 a game. That should have gone up this season since there are more offensive players on the court with him and he's also not running the offense at PG like he was for a good stretch last year. I'm not sure if there are still issues with his toe injury he had ot start the season but I think that's the case because he seems a step slower than last year and he's only 20, players don't slow down naturally at that age. If it is his toe the Suns need to sit him for 4-5 days, no practice, no games. Let him get 100% and hope for the best when he returns. I appreciate his competitive drive and wanting to play through it but he's only hurting himself. Sitting him entirely for a few days would be much better than reducing his minutes, which might hurt his confidence. Ideally Knight plays great for the 2-3 games that Booker is out and the Suns can get a time to trade something of some value for him.
 

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Wow. The comments in this thread surprise me.

Booker is one of the primary reasons I occasionally watch a game. His % is down this year because he's taking tougher shots. It seems like he's trying too hard at times to score. His % will go back up after the other youngsters establish themselves.

Like someone else previously said, he's only 20!
 

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Wow. The comments in this thread surprise me.

Booker is one of the primary reasons I occasionally watch a game. His % is down this year because he's taking tougher shots. It seems like he's trying too hard at times to score. His % will go back up after the other youngsters establish themselves.

Like someone else previously said, he's only 20!


I guess my expectations were a little higher due to all the pre-season hype.
 

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I guess my expectations were a little higher due to all the pre-season hype.
Keep them high! A 20 year-old SG averaging 19 ppg. I couldn't be happier with the direction of the squad.
 

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Anyone that really knows basketball shouldn't worry about his %s. His form is perfect. If he was on a good team he'd be shooting much better.
 

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Anyone that really knows basketball shouldn't worry about his %s. His form is perfect. If he was on a good team he'd be shooting much better.

He's our first or second option on offense and is most likely guarded by our opponents top wing defender throughout the game. It's no surprise his shooting has dipped some but I wouldn't put that much stock in it at this point.
 
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