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How many reps do you need to see? He had almost nothing to do with the lead, and his inability to make ANYTHING happen in the offense was the reason we lost.

I get that we're stuck with Kolb for at least another year, but I don't know where the feeling that Kolb will be good comes from at this point.

+1.

All you had to see was the first 3 snaps of the game to see we were going to lose today.

Kolb looks horrible. Again, I will say, give me Derek Anderson.
 

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Why Why Why wasn't whoever was covering Boldin did not get safety help? It was easy to see Boldin was owning whomever was assigned him yet Horton never rotated a safety over to double Boldin.
 

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Thinking otherwise just sets up one for a huge disappointment. I still can't understand what Whis had too lose by being aggressive trying to pass the ball down field prior to the Ravens winning FG. Letting the Ravens get the ball was almost giving them the opportunity to kick the game winning FG. It's sort of like the last game where the Cardinals fake a FG and then kick it deep. I so wanted to think the kicker was trying to kick the ball just beyond the drawn up Steeler players. Sometimes I think Whis is coaching not to lose rather than coaching to win.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...ardinals-video-analysis-baltimore-ravens.html

According to Bickley, Whis said the injuries to Housler and Sherman took away a lot of formations down the stretch and prevented us from fielding a functioning offense. If that's true, Whis just topped himself for weakest post-game excuse of the year. It's at the 1:48 mark.
 
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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...ardinals-video-analysis-baltimore-ravens.html

According to Bickley, Whis said the injuries to Housler and Sherman took away a lot of formations down the stretch. If that's true, Whis just topped himself for weakest post-game excuse of the year. It's at the 1:48 mark.
We only carry one active FB, like most NFL teams. It makes perfect sense that losing him would affect our available plays/formations. What aren't you comprehending about it?
 

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Why Why Why wasn't whoever was covering Boldin did not get safety help? It was easy to see Boldin was owning whomever was assigned him yet Horton never rotated a safety over to double Boldin.
FYI, There was safety help deep. Boldin was killing us on back-shoulder throws.
 

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Yea, It's like the past, I have already ordered Kipers Draft Books to get ahead start. Garthshort, you are exactly correct about Grimm!
 

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Yea, It's like the past, I have already ordered Kipers Draft Books to get ahead start. Garthshort, you are exactly correct about Grimm!

Grimm is the Matt Millen of offensive line coaches IMO. He definitely can't coach pass protection.
 

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We only carry one active FB, like most NFL teams. It makes perfect sense that losing him would affect our available plays/formations. What aren't you comprehending about it?

Sorry. My post wasn't phrased very clearly.

In that video, Bickley said he was annoyed about the offense not trying harder to score at the end of the game. He felt Whis didn't think they could move the ball against the Ravens D. In response, the coaching staff reportedly said "the beating they took left them with too many losses, and personnel groupings weren't conducive to a functioning offense." I didn't hear any post-game interviews, so Bickley could have been paraphrasing wildly. But if Whis really did imply that losing Sherman and Housler was too much to overcome, I think he's grasping for excuses. Sure, it limits the formations, but an offense should still be able to function without a fullback and a second string tight end.
 
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Sorry. My post wasn't phrased very clearly.

In that video, Bickley said he was annoyed about the offense not trying harder to score at the end of the game. He felt Whis didn't think they could move the ball against the Ravens D. In response, the coaching staff reportedly said "the beating they took left them with too many losses, and personnel groupings weren't conducive to a functioning offense." I didn't hear any post-game interviews, so Bickley could have been paraphrasing wildly. But if Whis really did imply that losing Sherman and Housler was too much to overcome, I think he's grasping for excuses. Sure, it limits the formations, but an offense should still be able to function without a fullback and a second string tight end.

Sorry for coming off so rude, not my intention.

It's not just a second string TE and a FB though. We were already down a TE and with the FB being out too it meant that we couldn't run the two TE sets with a FB in the backfield. It was unlucky but definitely factored in IMO. Keep in mind this was the #1 defense in the league and we were playing in their nest. Two of our 3 most important offensive players (Beanie and Kolb) were injured, we lost two more key gogs in Sherman and a TE (didn't matter which one truthfully) and the offense couldn't drive the length of the field on the Ravens. I can assure you that we aren't the only offense in the league who wouldn't have been able to pull that off.
 

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Sorry for coming off so rude, not my intention.

It's not just a second string TE and a FB though. We were already down a TE and with the FB being out too it meant that we couldn't run the two TE sets with a FB in the backfield. It was unlucky but definitely factored in IMO. Keep in mind this was the #1 defense in the league and we were playing in their nest. Two of our 3 most important offensive players (Beanie and Kolb) were injured, we lost two more key gogs in Sherman and a TE (didn't matter which one truthfully) and the offense couldn't drive the length of the field on the Ravens. I can assure you that we aren't the only offense in the league who wouldn't have been able to pull that off.
It's cool. I didn't take offense to your comments.

Not being able to drive the entire field against the Ravens wasn't the issue in question. That's understandable. Not even trying to put together a drive, however, is much more baffling. We ran Beanie up the middle on second and long deep in our own territory with 1:30 remaining in a tie game. That simply doesn't seem like Whis was playing to win. And if he's trying to justify his surrender by blaming the losses of Sherman and Housler, like Bickley implied, I have to question whether even Whis has faith in this offense anymore.
 

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Sorry for coming off so rude, not my intention.

It's not just a second string TE and a FB though. We were already down a TE and with the FB being out too it meant that we couldn't run the two TE sets with a FB in the backfield. It was unlucky but definitely factored in IMO. Keep in mind this was the #1 defense in the league and we were playing in their nest. Two of our 3 most important offensive players (Beanie and Kolb) were injured, we lost two more key gogs in Sherman and a TE (didn't matter which one truthfully) and the offense couldn't drive the length of the field on the Ravens. I can assure you that we aren't the only offense in the league who wouldn't have been able to pull that off.

and throw in the fact had we turned the ball over passing it, Wiz wouldve been BBQ'd because he didnt sit on the ball.
 

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Sorry for coming off so rude, not my intention.

It's not just a second string TE and a FB though. We were already down a TE and with the FB being out too it meant that we couldn't run the two TE sets with a FB in the backfield. It was unlucky but definitely factored in IMO. Keep in mind this was the #1 defense in the league and we were playing in their nest. Two of our 3 most important offensive players (Beanie and Kolb) were injured, we lost two more key gogs in Sherman and a TE (didn't matter which one truthfully) and the offense couldn't drive the length of the field on the Ravens. I can assure you that we aren't the only offense in the league who wouldn't have been able to pull that off.

There is something more fundamental. The Cardinals needed to pass the ball to even have a chance to win the game on that possession... even more so if there were important injuries. Things were not going to get better. The Cardinals best chance of winning was to pass the ball and get in FG range. The game is supposed to be played to win. Their chance to win would not improve. What Whis did, in my opinion, was fear to take a chance when the game was on the line which I believe is unforgivable. What Cardinal fan did not think the Ravens would win the game if they got the ball back at the end?
 

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