I hope San Antonio wins!

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin
It's worthless to play like McDyess would get injured. And with a different team, we would end up with different draft picks because our record would be different.

But that's exactly my point.

McDyess indeed injured in December of 2001.

Then we would have had the same team as we indeed had so we would have got the same pick and we could have made the same trade as NYK did.

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by hcsilla
I also though about it and I got a different result.

McDyess re-signs with us in 1999.

Suns still swap Kidd to Marbury because of the same reasons why they indeed did.
MyDyess get injured in December of 2001 and Suns sucks (we would have had the same team as we indeed had).
They trade Rogers and Delk for their future SG (perhaps Joe Johnson), a pick and fillers (perhaps Palacio and Randy Brown)


After the bad season Suns get #9 and pick Amare Stoudemire.
Since they already have their future PF they trade McDyess,#22 to NYK for Camby,Mark Jackson and #7 which they use on their future C, Nene Hilario.

Then we would have

PG Marbury/Jackson
SG Hardaway/Johnson
SF Marion
PF Stoudemire/Camby/Outlaw
C Hilario/Camby/Voskuhl/Tsakalidis

Isn't this a much better team than our actual team?

So I'm still not that thankful that McDyess left the Suns.......

This makes my head hurt. I can't rember that far back. I would agree this is moot and not realy worth think about it. STOP THE PAIN>

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
But that's exactly my point.

McDyess indeed injured in December of 2001.

Then we would have had the same team as we indeed had so we would have got the same pick and we could have made the same trade as NYK did.

What about between 99 and 2001? Do you actually think the team's situation would have been exactly the same?

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin
What about between 99 and 2001? Do you actually think the team's situation would have been exactly the same?

Yes,very similar.

Two 1st or 2nd round-exits.

 

[Chaplin]

Well, I definitely disagree because of one player: Tom Gugliotta. He was playing very well before Randy Livingston took out his knee--and all the injuries to him and Penny and then Jason Kidd with his ankle, totally screwed up our chemistry. There is nothing that says McDyess would have helped or hurt, but it can be said that Googs would not have even been on the team, and would not have been injured, etc., etc. As for McDyess, just because he was injured as a Nugget doesn't guarantee he'd have been injured as a Sun. PLUS, if we would have had McDyess, what makes you positive we would have brought Amare in for a workout last year, let alone pick him?

 

[SweetD]

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This is the I hope San Antonio wins Thread right?

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Well, I definitely disagree because of one player: Tom Gugliotta. He was playing very well before Randy Livingston took out his knee--and all the injuries to him and Penny and then Jason Kidd with his ankle, totally screwed up our chemistry. There is nothing that says McDyess would have helped or hurt, but it can be said that Googs would not have even been on the team, and would not have been injured, etc., etc.

I just don't get what you want to say with this.

As for McDyess, just because he was injured as a Nugget doesn't guarantee he'd have been injured as a Sun.

Why not?
Why would his knee be different in PHO from that was in DEN?

PLUS, if we would have had McDyess, what makes you positive we would have brought Amare in for a workout last year, let alone pick him?

McDyess's injury.

 

[notakiddfan1]

Why would his knee be different in PHO from that was in DEN?

McDyess got hurt in Denver. It would not have happened if he was in Phoenix. It's like this, if you go to McDonalds and slip and fall while walking into the store, and hurt your knee, the same thing would not have happened if you had gone to Burger King that day. Had Antonio McDyess been in Phoenix, playing the Suns' schedule, he would've been in a completely different situation and therefore would most likely not have gotten hurt the initial time he did. Sure, he seems injury prone now, but that's probably because he's been injured before. It's like in Penny's case. He was hurt initially because Joe Dumars bumped him in the back of the leg on one play against Detroit in the first round of the playoffs. Had, theoretically, Dumars been injured or retired when the Magic played the Pistons that day, he would not have gotten injured that game, and might today be one of the best players in basketball.

But we're talking about McDyess here.

 

[SweetD]

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This is all hypothetical and not even worth discussing really!!! If I didn't get hurt in college I would be playing for the Suns right now too. It is all in past and nothing we do or say will change that.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by SweetD

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This is all hypothetical and not even worth discussing really!!!

Then why do you open this thread again and again?

I do think that it's worth discussing so I will post here.
You do not think that it's worth discussing so please don't post in this thread and keep quiet!

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by hcsilla
Then why do you open this thread again and again?

I do think that it's worth discussing so I will post here.
You do not think that it's worth discussing so please don't post in this thread and keep quiet!

Bla Bla BLA BLA ....

Anger is not a way to get your pathetic point across. If you would like to start a new thread that is not posted I hope San Antonio Wins! Maybe something like... " I Love McDyess and all his man hood" or something to that freakish nature. Sorry I must have forgot the smile in my last post.

 

[hcsilla]

SweetD,I'm sure that you are the one who can tell me where and what I should post.

Pleae enlighten me also in the future!Thanks in advance.

 

[SweetD]

No prob... give a few...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sheesh - I shouldn't have opened my big trap - didn't mean for my post to get people at each other's necks. I just thought it was an interesting thought I had about comparing Kidd, MCdYEES, mARION TO kIDD, mARTIN, Jefferson - sorry about the caps there - i'm too lazy to change them back even though by writing this, i could have saved the time and just rewritten all that other stuff, ladadadadadadada dee dee do!

 

[SweetD]

I agree I think San Ton will pull another win out in NY.

 

[elindholm]

sorry about the caps there - i'm too lazy to change them back even though by writing this, i could have saved the time and just rewritten all that other stuff, ladadadadadadada dee dee do!

Heh!

Regarding the "McDyess" debate, it seems to come down to one's perspective on fate. I agree with Chaplin and notakiddfan1 on this one -- if you change the past, you change the future along with it. But if you want to believe that certain things were "predestined," like the Suns' selections of Marion and Stoudemire, then there's not much anyone can do to talk you out of it.

I thought McDyess was a disappointment as a Sun, I'm glad he's gone, and I have no sympathy for all of his injuries. Plbbbbblllt.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by notakiddfan1
McDyess got hurt in Denver. It would not have happened if he was in Phoenix. It's like this, if you go to McDonalds and slip and fall while walking into the store, and hurt your knee, the same thing would not have happened if you had gone to Burger King that day. Had Antonio McDyess been in Phoenix, playing the Suns' schedule, he would've been in a completely different situation and therefore would most likely not have gotten hurt the initial time he did.

An injury is not that when a brick is falling on your head.

If a player get injured then something was wrong with his body or musculatur before the injury.
The injury is not just a misfortune but it's a sign of a "failure" of your body.
McDyess' knee got hurt in DEN it probably would have got hurt in PHO as well.
Something was wrong with his knee it was not Randy Livingstone.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by elindholm
But if you want to believe that certain things were "predestined," like the Suns' selections of Marion and Stoudemire, then there's not much anyone can do to talk you out of it.

I'm not saying that it was predestined. It's just very easy to replace Gugliotta with McDyess in both scenarios.

In June of 1999

Scenario 1

Suns have Tom Gugliotta as their starting PF.

So they have a good team with a borderline All-Star PF and with a huge hole at SF.
Marion is a logical pick.

Scenario 2

Suns have Antonio McDyess as their starting PF.

They have a good team with a borderline All-Star PF and with a huge hole at SF.
Marion still seems to be a logical pick.

In June of 2002

Scenario 1

Suns have the injured Tom Gugliotta as their starting PF.

They have a young borderline play-off team with a huge hole at PF.
Stoudemire is a logical pick.

Scenario 2

Suns have the injured Antonio McDyess as their starting PF.

They have a young borderline play-off team with a huge hole at PF.
Stoudemire still seeems to be logical pick especially if they get an offer from NYK for McDyess involving #7.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by hcsilla
An injury is not that when a brick is falling on your head.

If a player get injured then something was wrong with his body or musculatur before the injury.
The injury is not just a misfortune but it's a sign of a "failure" of your body.
McDyess' knee got hurt in DEN it probably would have got hurt in PHO as well.
Something was wrong with his knee it was not Randy Livingstone.

Of course, you don't take into account HOW he injured it in the first place, or how it would have been treated by Suns doctors vs. Nuggets doctors. This thread is just insane. You have no solid ground to stand on, I can't believe you're still pursuing this.

 

[elindholm]

Of course, you don't take into account HOW he injured it in the first place, or how it would have been treated by Suns doctors vs. Nuggets doctors.

Or exactly when in the season it happened, or how severe it was...