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I just received the wonderful notification that if I record a PPV, that I will have 24 hours to watch it before it deletes itself.

This shows what DRM is all about. It isn't about piracy, its all about squeezing more cash out of us a drip at a time.
 

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I just received the wonderful notification that if I record a PPV, that I will have 24 hours to watch it before it deletes itself.

This shows what DRM is all about. It isn't about piracy, its all about squeezing more cash out of us a drip at a time.

Saw this in the blogosphere about two weeks ago. Crazy stuff.
 

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ridiculous. I had Click & Cars on my dvr (ppv) for as long as I had Dish. I hope this doesn't become the norm.
 

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Just offload it to your computer, it's really not that difficult. Also, do you complain about having to return your rented movie from Blockbuster? You get what you pay for, if you expect to retain the movie forever maybe you should pony up the money for the DVD.

I have never had the feeling of entitlement that a $3.99 PPV movie would be mine to do with as I please when the movie is at the store for $19.99
 

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Just offload it to your computer, it's really not that difficult. Also, do you complain about having to return your rented movie from Blockbuster? You get what you pay for, if you expect to retain the movie forever maybe you should pony up the money for the DVD.

I have never had the feeling of entitlement that a $3.99 PPV movie would be mine to do with as I please when the movie is at the store for $19.99

i agree with this even if I don't like it - i would be happier if they made it a week or so to keep in line with what a traditional rental would be
 

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Just offload it to your computer, it's really not that difficult. Also, do you complain about having to return your rented movie from Blockbuster? You get what you pay for, if you expect to retain the movie forever maybe you should pony up the money for the DVD.

I have never had the feeling of entitlement that a $3.99 PPV movie would be mine to do with as I please when the movie is at the store for $19.99

You might not have the same entitlement "feeling" but 24 hours is ludicrous. They should give you at least 48 hours to watch a movie. One of my favorite things to do is record something so I can watch it in the next day or so. Now the clock will start ticking from the time of purchase. I don't think anybody is saying they should be able to keep it forever.

This irritates me to the point that I won't buy anything on PPV anymore. I will just continue to use NETFLIX. I can keep the disk for as long as I want without fear of late fees (like going to a physical store - a la Blockbuster) or fear of being rushed to watch my movie. According to DTV it is being forced on them from the major studios. Probably in fear of losing DVD sales. I really don't care what the cause is. DTV just lost m PPV money.
 
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I want to learn how to do this. Can you do it with a Cox box?

You have to get a SATA hard drive. Or burn it to a DVD. It would get converted to 480p if you do that though. No DVD stand alone DVD burner can burn HD.
 

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What part of PAY PER VIEW is not understood?

If you haven't viewed it, you should be able to keep it IMO. Instead of a time limit, it should delete 24 hours from the time you have started watching the movie. These boxes have hard drives for a reason...
 

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If you haven't viewed it, you should be able to keep it IMO. Instead of a time limit, it should delete 24 hours from the time you have started watching the movie. These boxes have hard drives for a reason...

If you arent going to watch it then maybe you shouldnt order it. Makes sense to me?
 
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If you haven't viewed it, you should be able to keep it IMO. Instead of a time limit, it should delete 24 hours from the time you have started watching the movie. These boxes have hard drives for a reason...

When you go to the movies you typically intend to view the movie that day (you can purchase movies in advance). If you miss your showing the theaters will typically not refund your purchase or allow you to view another showing. Moreover, you can not return to the theater to see the movie again since you already paid for it previously

In a simular fashion if you cannot find time to view the PPV movie within 24 hours maybe you should delay that purchase or purchase the DVD if you anticipate viewing it multiple times.

The reason these boxes have hard drives is to facilitate the DVR fuctions and not to retain proprietary data for weeks on end. If you really want to record it to watch it over and over, just wait 4 months for it to come on Showtime and record it at that point in time. At this point you have an EULA that allows the recording of these movies.

To me, it's the individuals who are looking to take advantage of the systems that cause the rest of us to feel the oppression of rules such as the DRM. I'm not saying I won't gladly strip media of it's DRM if I purchased it, however the underlying meaning of PAY PER VIEW is very clear to me
 
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If you arent going to watch it then maybe you shouldnt order it. Makes sense to me?



When you go to the movies you typically intend to view the movie that day (you can purchase movies in advance). If you miss your showing the theaters will typically not refund your purchase or allow you to view another showing. Moreover, you can not return to the theater to see the movie again since you already paid for it previously

In a simular fashion if you cannot find time to view the PPV movie within 24 hours maybe you should delay that purchase or purchase the DVD if you anticipate viewing it multiple times.

The reason these boxes have hard drives is to facilitate the DVR fuctions and not to retain proprietary data for weeks on end. If you really want to record it to watch it over and over, just wait 4 months for it to come on Showtime and record it at that point in time. At this point in time you have an EULA that allows the recording of these movies.

Yep. It makes sense, I can see both sides.
 

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Two things:

1. Blaming DTV is wrong, it's the studios making this happen.

2. If you order a PPV movie and don't watch it within 24 hours, you wont get charged for it, so that's not that big a deal.


Look for HBO down the road to actually control how many TIMES you watch one of their shows...which I think is insanity...
 

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I just received the wonderful notification that if I record a PPV, that I will have 24 hours to watch it before it deletes itself.

This shows what DRM is all about. It isn't about piracy, its all about squeezing more cash out of us a drip at a time.

Just pay the $19.95 a month for a subscription to the Playboy channel, then you don't have to pay $12.95 for those porno blocks that are like 8 hours, however, playboy is "soft core" so...
 

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What part of PAY PER VIEW is not understood?

What part of "They should give you at least 48 hours to watch a movie" is not understood? I believe I also said "One of my favorite things to do is record something so I can watch it in the next day or so." I just want to be able to record the thing and watch it when it's convenient for me. DTV has the capability to start a clock as soon as you watch it. If they want to delete 24 hours after that then it's fine by me.

PS. This topic is not about how many times you can view the movie either or DTV would have instituted a 1 time view policy as well. Clearly the studios don't mind how many times you watch it in 24 hours. So your "Pay Per View" stance clearly doesn't apply. It just seems to me that if the Studio concerns are that you don't keep the movie forever then what's wrong with starting the clock on deletion from the time you view it? That is within the realm of current technology to do so.
 
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Just offload it to your computer, it's really not that difficult. Also, do you complain about having to return your rented movie from Blockbuster? You get what you pay for, if you expect to retain the movie forever maybe you should pony up the money for the DVD.

I have never had the feeling of entitlement that a $3.99 PPV movie would be mine to do with as I please when the movie is at the store for $19.99

Huge difference. DTV isn't out the DVD while i keep it. This is nothing more than trying to squeeze more nickels out of us.
 
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Ryan I don't think you truly understand DRM is all about.

It really isn't about piracy prevention. Its really about slow monetizing [aka making you pay] more a little at a time.

This is just the first step. It may be true for now [I don't know as I was so incensed by it I really didn't read the details] that you don't pay if it is deleted.

How I'll bet that if you have started to watch it at all, then you will be charged even if it is deleted. This is just the first step, more to come, death of a 1,00 little cuts.

I for one will never PPV under these conditions, that is another customer they lost. Really they don't care though as long term the plan is to slowly take away Fair Use options such that you have no choices.

I've heard they plan to do this for broadcast TV shows as well. Record it and you only have a short time to watch it.
 
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What part of PAY PER VIEW is not understood?

What part of Pay Per View is not understood ?

I pay I watch 10 mins, then I go to bed and it is deleted before I can finsh the VIEW I PAID for
 

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Ryan I don't think you truly understand DRM is all about.

Don't start questioning my intelligence to prove your point. Look, you chose the medium and you are now a slave to your purchase. If the history of DRM revolts taught us anything it's that the consumer can force change. Such as what has occured with Sony. So stop purchasing PPV movies

...or you can build your own Tivo and cut their control over you right out.

http://www.mythtv.org/

Again, if you can't watch the show within 24 hours, maybe you need to rethink your purchase.... not that difficult
 

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What part of Pay Per View is not understood ?

I pay I watch 10 mins, then I go to bed and it is deleted before I can finsh the VIEW I PAID for

So you feel you are also entitled to watch the first 10 minutes of a film at a movie theater and if you decide to get up and leave they should either refund your purchase or allow you to return at a later date and pick up where you left off?

Why aren't movie theater rules applied and thought of the same way as Pay Per View? You are paying to view this feature one time, not purchase a license to view it anytime you choose
 

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So you feel you are also entitled to watch the first 10 minutes of a film at a movie theater and if you decide to get up and leave they should either refund your purchase or allow you to return at a later date and pick up where you left off?

Why aren't movie theater rules applied and thought of the same way as Pay Per View? You are paying to view this feature one time, not purchase a license to view it anytime you choose

That's an excellent comparison...and I really think people ought to just lighten up over this whole thing.

Who cares? You don't pay until you actually watch it anyways, and if you aren't going to finish it, then just don't rent it.

And finally, stop blaming DTV guys, it's the MOVIE STUDIOS...they demand it...
 

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What part of Pay Per View is not understood ?

I pay I watch 10 mins, then I go to bed and it is deleted before I can finsh the VIEW I PAID for


By the way, I love how we become so comfortable with what we have NOW, that we don't even think about just a year ago how things were.

You know, you USED to do PPV movies and have to watch it RIGHT THEN AND THERE...no recording, no saving for later.

You paid for it, and you had to sit through it until it was over. Not even able to pause to take a piss.

And here we are, a year later, and if we can't record something off PPV and save it for eternity, they are raining down crimes against humanity...

Hilarious.
 
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