I think Newton will come out this year

[desertdawg]

Reading about the $ scandal has me thinking so. I recall him being undecided about staying in college, but with this going on, some ones going to draft him. Any body who wanted Vick should be all over this kid. (play style is pretty similar)

 

[crisper57]

Reading about the $ scandal has me thinking so. I recall him being undecided about staying in college, but with this going on, some ones going to draft him. Any body who wanted Vick should be all over this kid. (play style is pretty similar)

Too bad we probably won't be high enough on the draft board to get him. He'll be going to Buffalo, which come to think of it, may influence him to stay in school.

 

[desertdawg]

Too bad we probably won't be high enough on the draft board to get him. He'll be going to Buffalo, which come to think of it, may influence him to stay in school.

I think he may still be around when our turn to pick hits.. Dallas won't do it, Buffalo and SAN FRAN are looking for QBs. I don't know.

 

[Pariah]

Regardless, it helps. That just pushes another good QB to us.

 

[Zeno]

He isn't a first round QB. He is an athlete who is a project. He isn't the same class as Vince Young or Vick when it comes to throwin the ball.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

We just drafted a 5th round project last year.

 

[Russ Smith]

Come on is that even against the rules in the SEC?

 

[DoTheDew]

Never been a fan of scrambling QBs who aren't known for their football IQs and accuracy. He'd be way better than Hall or Scud, but I'd rather have Luck or someone along those lines.

 

[Buckybird]

He isn't a first round QB. He is an athlete who is a project. He isn't the same class as Vince Young or Vick when it comes to throwin the ball.

 

[oaken1]

you guys are wrong about his passing abilities....he is far ahead of where Vick was when he came out of college....the kid runs like a demon, Auburn does not have an elite WR group, so he runs when he sees an opening....but the kid CAN make all the throws, and he is fair at reading a defense.
If we draft around 15 to 18, and Newton is there, we should take him.

 

[Mulli]

you guys are wrong about his passing abilities....he is far ahead of where Vick was when he came out of college....the kid runs like a demon, Auburn does not have an elite WR group, so he runs when he sees an opening....but the kid CAN make all the throws, and he is fair at reading a defense.
If we draft around 15 to 18, and Newton is there, we should take him.

Agree.

 

[Zeno]

you guys are wrong about his passing abilities....he is far ahead of where Vick was when he came out of college....the kid runs like a demon, Auburn does not have an elite WR group, so he runs when he sees an opening....but the kid CAN make all the throws, and he is fair at reading a defense.
If we draft around 15 to 18, and Newton is there, we should take him.

When Newton throws more passes than he runs let me know. Until then he is a running QB who is a project for the NFL. Newton has only thrown more than rushed in 3 games, Ole Miss, Miss St and Louisiana-Monroe. He isn't asked to read a defense so how you think he is fair reading a defense is beyond me.

Vick and Young both finished with more pass attempts than rushes in their college careers.

Of course it only takes one team, I didn't expect Tebow to be a first rounder--although I think Newton is even a bigger project.

 

[Buckybird]

you guys are wrong about his passing abilities....he is far ahead of where Vick was when he came out of college....the kid runs like a demon, Auburn does not have an elite WR group, so he runs when he sees an opening....but the kid CAN make all the throws, and he is fair at reading a defense.
If we draft around 15 to 18, and Newton is there, we should take him.

Yeah ok.

Projects or unproven talents generally bust, especially at QB. I'm not gambling on Newton in the 1st if I'm an NFL team. Guys like him get coaches & GM's fired!!!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

So does Derek Anderson.

 

[Stout]

No thanks.

 

[TheHopToad]

He's another Terrelle Pryor. Impressive and flashy at the college level, but that doesn't translate well in the NFL.

Pass.

 

[DoTheDew]

He's another Terrelle Pryor. Impressive and flashy at the college level, but that doesn't translate well in the NFL.

Pass.

Cmp Att Yards YPA % TD INT Rating
152 225 1997 8.88 67.6 20 7 165.23
152 226 1920 8.50 67.3 20 6 162.52

The first one is Pryor, the second is Luck.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Cmp Att Yards YPA % TD INT Rating
152 225 1997 8.88 67.6 20 7 165.23
152 226 1920 8.50 67.3 20 6 162.52

The first one is Pryor, the second is Luck.

another reason you can't just go by stats.

 

[DoTheDew]

another reason you can't just go by stats.

Exactly. Newton has a better rating than both of them FYI.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I've been looking at some mock drafts and I see Foles,from Arizona,being listed as a 1st rounder quite a bit. I haven't really seen him play. Is he that good?

 

[Hypothesis]

you guys are wrong about his passing abilities....he is far ahead of where Vick was when he came out of college....the kid runs like a demon, Auburn does not have an elite WR group, so he runs when he sees an opening....but the kid CAN make all the throws, and he is fair at reading a defense.
If we draft around 15 to 18, and Newton is there, we should take him.

He certainly is one heck of an athlete...but that won't make him one heck of an NFL QB.

Newton is the qb of a very gimmicky offense that is far from a pro style offense. If you really watch him...and yes, I have really watched him...he only makes one read. If his primary target isn't open 15-30 yards downfield he'll do 1 of 2 things. He'll either close his eyes and air it up deep and hope one of his receivers makes a play or he'll run. He has some of the worst footwork in the pocket I've seen in a while, throws off balance on alot of his throws. His throws are not as accurate as many want to make out. Many of his throws are behind his intended target or force his target to break stride and come back to the ball. He also has one of the worst looking pump fakes in the history of pump fakes lol. He also seems to refuse to tuck that ball when he runs...I can't imagine that his current coaches haven't already tried to coach that out of him.

That being said, I definitely see him as a major project. He has almost zero experience reading defenses and will need alot of time to develop. We don't have anymore room for developmental qb's on this roster right now.

 

[Hypothesis]

I've been looking at some mock drafts and I see Foles,from Arizona,being listed as a 1st rounder quite a bit. I haven't really seen him play. Is he that good?

Personally I don't like him much as a 1st rounder, I'm not sold on him in the first. He reminds me of a hybrid of Derek Anderson with his throws in the dirt and strong arm and Jake Plummer with his improv passes with back hand throws and left hand tosses. I'll give him one thing though...his decision making is pretty quick and seems to make pretty decent decisions as to where he's going with the ball.

Okay...I'll give him a couple more positives.

He seems to plant his feet well and have a naturally smooth throwing motion.

Has a pretty good command as to when to put some zip on the ball and when to put some air under it.

Actually goes through his progressions pretty good...BUT...seems to get a little panicky when he's hurried and can make some pretty poor rush decisions.

I might consider him in the second or third if he lasts. Of course it depends quite heavily on what transpires through the rest of the season and the offseason.

 

[Russ Smith]

another reason you can't just go by stats.

I admit I have only seen TOSU once this year but they're usually loaded at the WR spot, Luck is with a bunch of average WR's. They have 2 speed guys Owusu and Baldwin and Owusu has been hurt much of the year.

When I see Pryor highlights he's either throwing to a wide open player or it's a poorly thrown ball and a great catch.

To be fair, Luck is not a great deep thrower himself yet, he's underthrown several of them this year. He has the arm but sometimes tries to be too perfect instead of just laying it out there and let them get it.

Regarding Newton, ESPN says the NFLPA was already investigating the guy who allegedly asked for the money. So there's no evidence Auburn paid anything but it sure looks like a story that won't go away quickly.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I admit I have only seen TOSU once this year but they're usually loaded at the WR spot, Luck is with a bunch of average WR's. They have 2 speed guys Owusu and Baldwin and Owusu has been hurt much of the year.

When I see Pryor highlights he's either throwing to a wide open player or it's a poorly thrown ball and a great catch.

To be fair, Luck is not a great deep thrower himself yet, he's underthrown several of them this year. He has the arm but sometimes tries to be too perfect instead of just laying it out there and let them get it.

Regarding Newton, ESPN says the NFLPA was already investigating the guy who allegedly asked for the money. So there's no evidence Auburn paid anything but it sure looks like a story that won't go away quickly.

I will give Pryor credit in that he has improved his throwing but it's only gone from god-awful to below average. The other plus thing to him is that he is reportedly a very hard worker and has very good film study habits. It will be interesting to see if he come out his year. I know I'm usually one for the guys going when they have the chance but he should probably stick around another year. You're right about OSU WR's. This year Devier Posey is the best and should be a good pro, They also have a Jordan Shipley type in Dane Sanzenbacher. He's small but always seems to be open. If Cris Carter's kid, Duron Carter, would have kept his head on straight he would have been starting. He started as a freshman but got into trouble academically, among other things, and is now at a JC where I just read he got suspended from that team as well. Funny thing is you may end up seein alot of Carter in the PAC 12 in a couple years. The original plan was for him to go back to OSU but now there's talk of him heading to Oregon.

 

[kerouac9]

I wonder if the early success of Josh Freeman will tempt more teams into investing third-rounders in these Terrelle Pryor, Cam Newton types.

Speaking of Freeman, the Bucs set a precedent for the Cards drafting another "project" QB early. In 2008 they drafted Josh Johnson, a physically promising but raw prospect out of San Diego State, in the 5th round. After Gruden got fired they came in with a new regime and invested a 1st round pick (17th overall) in a physically interesting but underdeveloped Josh Freeman. After a veteran placeholder quickly failed (Byron Leftwich), Johnson was given a handful of starts to show what he had. Then Freeman was allowed to develop over the remaining 8 games.

Could we see a washed-up placeholder QB (Donovan McNabb) replaced by a physically gifted 5th round pick (John Skelton) replaced by an underprepared mid-first round pick (Cam Newton/Terrelle Pryor/Ryan Mallett)? Stay tuned for 2011.