I thought I was wrong, but I guess I wasn't.

[AZCats]

Controversial high pick and two time Pro Bowler in year 3? Kyler isn't the problem

Not THE problem but a very major one. The kid isn't going to get much better than what we see. I hate to sound like a broken record but history has proven this with highly athletic QBs. They come into the NFL and look very exciting for the first couple seasons and then once teams figure them out and learn how to scheme them it is all down hill. For some weird reason a lot of GMs around the league fail to see this. Name one QB who is very athletic and fast that hasn't fizzled out after a few seasons. Maybe Russell Wilson but he really isn't that same style. Just look at Super Bowl winning QBs. They are all great pocket passers. They are QBs by the very meaning of the word. Patrick Mahomes might be one but he too will fizzle out soon. We already see that starting to happen this year. Brady, The Manning brothers, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Warner, etc. Those are the types of QBs that give you long term success. They win in spite of their athleticism. The problem is that the athletic QB never really develops because they always rely on their ability to run. That severely hinders their development as a passer. Just look at Manning and Brady. Those guys can be clocked with a sun dial they are so slow. Being slow made them better at their position because they didn't have an alternative to get out of trouble. I can't wait until this obsession with the athletic QB dies out.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Except cards are the only team in the league who can’t rise to the occasion with their b and c teams.

Well, to be fair, Jacksonville can’t win with their A team, and their B & C teams… so take some solace dude…

 

[Stout]

Controversial high pick and two time Pro Bowler in year 3? Kyler isn't the problem

Watch that abortion of a final drive and try typing that with a straight face.

 

[BritCard]

Nah you were wrong because your argument was based on talent. Talent clearly hasn't been the issue.

The issue is a HC that just has zero ability to adapt. Like at all. And players who crumble under pressure.

 

[Solar7]

Nah you were wrong because your argument was based on talent. Talent clearly hasn't been the issue.

The issue is a HC that just has zero ability to adapt. Like at all. And players who crumble under pressure.

When was my argument solely based on talent? I've disliked Kliff since day one.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Kyler is certainly part of the problem

This

He's back to his old habits of running backwards and trying to spin out of the rush instead of stepping into the pocket

DC's have figured this out and instruct the rushers to push deep outside

KM needs to make adjustments like he was playing earlier in the year

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Didn’t the team we lost to tonight have half of their starting O-Line out including a perennial All Pro? Prowl Browl LB out as well? Down a starter a starting Safety and starting WR to round things out?

When do injuries stop being an excuse and facts actually start mattering?

Yup. The last three teams we have played have been down some of their best players. And we still can’t capitalize.

 

[cardpa]

Didn’t the team we lost to tonight have half of their starting O-Line out including a perennial All Pro? Prowl Browl LB out as well? Down a starter a starting Safety and starting WR to round things out?

When do injuries stop being an excuse and facts actually start mattering?

In fact they had their entire starting Oline out and lost their starting TE and best blocking TE in the first half of the game. They also were missing their best LBer and starting safety and a starting WR. Using injuries as an excuse for why the Cardinals lost is lame. The Colts were in just as bad a place with missing starters as the Cardinals, maybe worse yet they found a way to win.

 

[cardpa]

There’s literally several hundred failed college football coaches lying around the country. Less than 10 quarterbacks who are Kylers statistical equal. You go with the odds.

Statictics do not necessarily equate to winning football games. The ability to read defenses, go through progressions, make good decisions consistently and lead a team are what wins games. Dedication to your craft is also contributes greatly to winning games by preparing as much as you can by putting in the time it requires to be a great QB.

 

[eastcoastDave]

Losing culture started much earlier than Christmas night and it lands on the desk of the GM. How many whiffs in the draft have there been in Keim tenure: Rosen, Riddick, Collins, Nkemdiche and many others. Your 1st, 2nd and 3rd draft pick must stick, they must play. Sure there have been trades, but most have brought players at the end of their careers or break down quickly. Draft better. Develop players who are going to grow together.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Let’s keep it 100. The names of the opposing QB’s Kliff and Kyler have lost to with a chance to clench a playoff berth:

CJ Beathard
John Wolford
Matthew Stafford
Jarrod Goff
Carson Wentz

None of those guys has ever won anything aside from draft day being the highlight of their individual careers. This is currently the company Kyler keeps and quite frankly looks up to.

That’s not even the company he keeps. That’s a step above him as he failed to beat them when it counted most for his team. He aspires to keep that company.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I get where you’re going but Goff won an NFC Title game and Wentz won the NFC East and has a ring.

Let’s make this simple: what number would you take them at for your team if you had the full array of nfl QBs available to you?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Not THE problem but a very major one. The kid isn't going to get much better than what we see. I hate to sound like a broken record but history has proven this with highly athletic QBs. They come into the NFL and look very exciting for the first couple seasons and then once teams figure them out and learn how to scheme them it is all down hill. For some weird reason a lot of GMs around the league fail to see this. Name one QB who is very athletic and fast that hasn't fizzled out after a few seasons. Maybe Russell Wilson but he really isn't that same style. Just look at Super Bowl winning QBs. They are all great pocket passers. They are QBs by the very meaning of the word. Patrick Mahomes might be one but he too will fizzle out soon. We already see that starting to happen this year. Brady, The Manning brothers, Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Warner, etc. Those are the types of QBs that give you long term success. They win in spite of their athleticism. The problem is that the athletic QB never really develops because they always rely on their ability to run. That severely hinders their development as a passer. Just look at Manning and Brady. Those guys can be clocked with a sun dial they are so slow. Being slow made them better at their position because they didn't have an alternative to get out of trouble. I can't wait until this obsession with the athletic QB dies out.

Russ
Mcnabb
Steve young
Mahomes
Cunningham

Quite a few quickly off top of my head that didn’t fizzle out fast and had success winning divisions, making conference championship games, and making/winning super bowls.

 

[slanidrac16]

Kliff is relying on Kyler’s athletic ability to bail us out.

We need to bring someone here that will play a more traditional football scheme, simplify the offense with more crossing patterns, higher pct throws and moving pockets.
Oh, and I would never go empty backfield ever again.