I Trust the C's

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They took us to the finals!!! The path so many other teams know nothing about.

Do your thing C's....

Marbury..good luck! I thought they would trade Marion WAY BEFORE Marbury. You better get us Kobe or Tracy!!

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The suns are the longest running team without a championship


Most teams not only know the way to the finals, they know where the finish line is
 

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I also trust the C's.


At first I wasnt happy with the trade. But if I look at EVERYTHING openminded. And realize we stink with or without Marbury. This trade looks ALOT better than I first thought.


There will be more trades to come. Be patient.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
The suns are the longest running team without a championship


Most teams not only know the way to the finals, they know where the finish line is

Come on .... MOST teams??

In the past 20 years, exactly 6 franchises crossed the finish line and won it all.

SIX.

It's not as easy as you make it sound.
 

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One thing about the Colangelo's, the took care of Marbury when they did trade him. They sent him to the team he always wanted to play for. They sent him back to his home. As much as it sucks that they traded him, it's good for him that he's going to the play for the Knicks.
 

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Originally posted by newfan101
Come on .... MOST teams??

In the past 20 years, exactly 6 franchises crossed the finish line and won it all.

SIX.

It's not as easy as you make it sound.

I wasn't aware we were putting a timestamp on this. If that is so then you have a point. However, I dont think we saw the same 6v6 matchup in the finals the past 20 years. Many teams have made it there.


I was merely pointing out that the Cs bringing this team to the finals twice is meaningless. I would expect us to go more. And maybe win one for once.

We are the team with the longest time without a ring. Plain and simple.
 

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I may be in the minority here. I know the ultimate goal is to win a championship, but I would rather have a team that has been as successful as the Phoenix Suns over the last 15 years than a team that won the championship 25 years ago but isn't very good overall.

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Oh I am totally with you Joe,

I was just pointing out that the fact the Cs brought us to the finals twice is meaningless in the scheme of things. The fact we have only gone twice is a reason not to trust them.

With that said, I do have complete faith in BC and JC (I have said it after every trade). This is an interesting move. The last blockbuster we at least knew what we were getting in Marbury. Right now, all we know is we have a glut of picks if Cleavland makes the playoffs, and the potential to land a max FA.
 

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Good or bad moves, I respect the fact that the C's are not scared to pull the trigger to try to mix things up and try to win.

Trades are at least exciting :)


But the C's are allways trying to find a way to win. Being a Cardinal fan I sure do respect that mindset alot!
 

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I'd be interested to hear what you guys who trust the Cs think their vision is for the team they are assembling. Lets recall when Kidd was the supposed cornerstone they didn't put together anything resembling a fast break team to fit with his game, and got a coach who liked grind-it-out-in-the-halfcourt offense. Then they brought in Marbury and didn't get the high post C or PF that would have complemented his game nor spot up shooters. Oddly enough they started finding guys for the running game and brought in a coach who's strategy was to implement the motion offense.

History thus tells us that if we can trust the Colangeli, it's to not to have a clue about what they are putting together here.

I'm not bummed about the trade because the team is shedding two bad contracts - Penny's now and Marbs' in the future. And, heck, there is an outside chance that D'Antoni has a plan which this trade is part of. I mean, the Suns could jump into an international league where they'd probably be a champion of something, right?
 

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Originally posted by Errntknght
I'd be interested to hear what you guys who trust the Cs think their vision is for the team they are assembling. Lets recall when Kidd was the supposed cornerstone they didn't put together anything resembling a fast break team to fit with his game, and got a coach who liked grind-it-out-in-the-halfcourt offense. Then they brought in Marbury and didn't get the high post C or PF that would have complemented his game nor spot up shooters. Oddly enough they started finding guys for the running game and brought in a coach who's strategy was to implement the motion offense.

History thus tells us that if we can trust the Colangeli, it's to not to have a clue about what they are putting together here.

I'm not bummed about the trade because the team is shedding two bad contracts - Penny's now and Marbs' in the future. And, heck, there is an outside chance that D'Antoni has a plan which this trade is part of. I mean, the Suns could jump into an international league where they'd probably be a champion of something, right?

Very good points. I do think the Phoenix Suns want to be a fast break, open court team. They just have rid of not only two bad contracts, but the two players who really did not fit into that fast break mentality.

Again, not trying to bag on Stephon Marbury now that he is gone, but he was completely incapable of pushing the ball. For whatever reason he much preferred walking the ball up the court. He did not do a good job of running up the floor of making himself available for outlet passes. Instead he preferred to wait until the opposing defense was headed back, taking the ball, and slowly moving it up the court. This guy from Europe they acquired from Knicks sounds like the kind of point guard day are after for that fast break team.

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Originally posted by Errntknght
I'd be interested to hear what you guys who trust the Cs think their vision is for the team they are assembling. Lets recall when Kidd was the supposed cornerstone they didn't put together anything resembling a fast break team to fit with his game, and got a coach who liked grind-it-out-in-the-halfcourt offense. Then they brought in Marbury and didn't get the high post C or PF that would have complemented his game nor spot up shooters. Oddly enough they started finding guys for the running game and brought in a coach who's strategy was to implement the motion offense.

History thus tells us that if we can trust the Colangeli, it's to not to have a clue about what they are putting together here.

I saw it a different way.

With Kidd, the Suns surrounded him with shooters and offense-minded players who could catch Kidd's passes and convert them into points. The problem was that teams started playing Kidd to pass instead of shoot, and Kidd never learned to shoot well enough to change their game plans.

With Marbury, who can get his shot whenever he wants, the Suns surrounded him with an athletic team that could defend well enough to play low-percentage basketball and still win. Of course, the Suns' great athletes were also great on the fast break, and it would have been nice if the team could have learned to pick up easy points that way, but that wasn't happening...and now it's too late.


I really don't think there's any way to turn Kidd into the frontman for a championship-caliber squad. The Nets went with a different strategy than the Suns did--they surrounded Kidd with athletes that defend well and thrive on easy buckets--but their offense collapsed against the Lakers and Spurs, and I think it would be the same against any great team.

With Marbury, we haven't had a real chance to find out how this strategy works, I think. I'll be interested to see how his teams are constructed and how they do over the rest of his career.
 

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Originally posted by Errntknght
I'd be interested to hear what you guys who trust the Cs think their vision is for the team they are assembling. Lets recall when Kidd was the supposed cornerstone they didn't put together anything resembling a fast break team to fit with his game, and got a coach who liked grind-it-out-in-the-halfcourt offense. Then they brought in Marbury and didn't get the high post C or PF that would have complemented his game nor spot up shooters. Oddly enough they started finding guys for the running game and brought in a coach who's strategy was to implement the motion offense.

History thus tells us that if we can trust the Colangeli, it's to not to have a clue about what they are putting together here.

I'm not bummed about the trade because the team is shedding two bad contracts - Penny's now and Marbs' in the future. And, heck, there is an outside chance that D'Antoni has a plan which this trade is part of. I mean, the Suns could jump into an international league where they'd probably be a champion of something, right?

One thing I'd like to say about the plan is this. No one really has a plan. You don't know who will be available in free agency or sign with you, you don't know who will fall to you in the draft nor where you will be picking. You just have a general outline, and a pool of players you would like to acquire somehow. The suns have been very creative over the years doing this.

The one thing about business plans is this...If you have one longer than 2 years without changing it, you are well the cardinals of the past (hopefully...please). Business plans change. They may want Kobe, or someone else...but what kind of plan besides trades can you expect the Suns to have in order to get better when you can't sign any free agents. We've had to build through the draft and trades, which they've done well with.

Sometimes they take a step back, sometimes a step foward, sometimes they flip-flop, but either way we have a VERY, VERY young talented team now. Like the clippers, but without the losing attitude, knowing you won't get re-signed, and without the bust picks.

You gotta seize the moment sometimes, and the Suns do that. They are not afraid to take risks, and I applaud them for doing that as an organization.

The only thing I don't like about the trade is the unknown potential factor of some of these guys and the picks.

We could suck it up, we could have a team deeper than the lakers of this year...and younger too. But of course the potential we have needs to be realized, but it looks like we have guys that have good shots at doing it. Everyone of our young guys shows you something special...It's not like Wendally Bryant on the cards who hasn't showed me one single thing yet. Barbosa, Z, Amare, Marion, Joe Johnson, jacobsen, etc all have big time! Add in the two euro guys from the knicks, two first round picks, plus a probable better one (ours), and the cap space to possibly get a kobe or some other top flight....and although the chance to be an elite team is not certain, it does look better "potentially" than it did at the beginning of the season, and definitely better than any other team in the league that currently isn't an elite team.

Of course it could take a couple years, but once again they are retooling with the ebb and flow of the western conference and the lakers. When we get good in 1-3 years shaq will probably be slowing down, if we get kobe...a big if....the lakers won't be the same.

The flexibility they add to this team, with the potential factor added in could easily swing this into the most lopsided trade ever in the nba. This is a Herschel walker to minnesota trade possibly.

We just have to draft our emmit and I think darren woodsen out of these 2 picks.

We have to hope our 18 years old lottery lampe was worth such speculation and if milos is the next nash, a milos straight up for marbury might end up making it even alone. Throw in everything else like lampe and picks, and even if everything doesn't turn out right it still has a huge % to be at least even. Eisley and McDeuche are just toppings, and they are not anchovies.

But like I said on the BIG TRADE thread, I just don't know what to think yet.
 
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