If BASK were Smart...

[Bodha]

Wed take this gifted extra cap space and hammer out PPs extension right this second.

Before a single FA is called or deal is offered to anyone else. PP, right now. And heres why:

Richard Sherman and Joe Haden are in the same boat as PP. All 3 contracts will be getting signed in the next year or 2. Which means theres a major benefit from being the first movers in this situation.

Each guy is going to want to be the highest paid CB in NFL history, one after the next. And each has a good claim to it. Probably the top 3 young CBs in the NFL right now.

Putting off PPs contract only raises his price everyday. We have the ability, right now, to lock up the most important player on our team. The face of our franchise really since Larrys nearly out the door. To put that in any kind of jeopardy is Browns-like.

After PP is locked up, then you can tinker with other issues and cut and sign at leisure with what we have available. Otherwise you create a scenario where we cant afford him, and have to start creating cap room by cutting guys left and right, thus creating dead money and further cripple our franchise for years to come. Much like the Raiders have experienced basically the last decade.

Sign PP right now while its easy, and cheaper.

thats what would happen if BASK were smart

 

[Finito]

Oh you think Peterson and his people aren't thinking the sand thing. It's a waiting game they all want to see who's going to set the bar. He's going to wait

 

[Catfish]

I wholly agree with your point Bodha, but how do you know they haven't already made him an offer? We just received word that they made one to Dansby according to MJ. They may have already done so with PP as well. Finito is right about it being a waiting game for the CB's, and maybe PP's agent is already sitting on an offer.

 

[Bodha]

I wholly agree with your point Bodha, but how do you know they haven't already made him an offer? We just received word that they made one to Dansby according to MJ. They may have already done so with PP as well. Finito is right about it being a waiting game for the CB's, and maybe PP's agent is already sitting on an offer.

because he hasnt been signed yet


We cant compare the situation with Dansby. We all know Dansbys number is here, and Keims is way over here. They are worlds apart because the views of his value is worlds apart.


Not the case with PP. Keim and PP both know that PP is the #1 CB in the NFL( or one of them depending on who youre talking to). That means back up the brinks. Keim has proven himself to be just a a little bit tight with the wallet and FAs.


I know we all think players are greedy, egotistical d-bags, but really, do yu honestly think PP is that guy? I dont. If Keim offers him and his agent the money we all know hes going to get anyways, then I think the deal is done tonight. You also have to realize these players do not want to wait out each other. They want a deal NOW. Because they could get in a car accident tomorrow and there goes that money. They could trip walking down the stairs. They could break a finger answering the telephone. They want that security locked down ASAP, as any human would.

I 100% believe Keim is being Mr.tight wad Negotiator which is a waste. PP is getting paid. Accept it and make the deal.

 

[kerouac9]

You've got it all wrong. The only reason to sign PP right now is to get him at a discount relative to a top pending FA.

If you're going to give him a top-of-the-market deal anyway, then just wait another two cost-controlled years. If he's going to agree to a market that reflects the value of an additional $6M-$8M in "new money" this year.

If you're going to pay Patrick Peterson $12-$15M anyway, why not wait two years?

 

[Cardiac]

You've got it all wrong. The only reason to sign PP right now is to get him at a discount relative to a top pending FA.

If you're going to give him a top-of-the-market deal anyway, then just wait another two cost-controlled years. If he's going to agree to a market that reflects the value of an additional $6M-$8M in "new money" this year.

If you're going to pay Patrick Peterson $12-$15M anyway, why not wait two years?

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[Dr. Jones]

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[GuernseyCard]

You've got it all wrong. The only reason to sign PP right now is to get him at a discount relative to a top pending FA.

If you're going to give him a top-of-the-market deal anyway, then just wait another two cost-controlled years. If he's going to agree to a market that reflects the value of an additional $6M-$8M in "new money" this year.

If you're going to pay Patrick Peterson $12-$15M anyway, why not wait two years?

True... and an indication that it isn't BASK who have a "smart" issue.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

So, if they don't do it, are the stupid?

 

[Buckybird]

You've got it all wrong. The only reason to sign PP right now is to get him at a discount relative to a top pending FA.

If you're going to give him a top-of-the-market deal anyway, then just wait another two cost-controlled years. If he's going to agree to a market that reflects the value of an additional $6M-$8M in "new money" this year.

If you're going to pay Patrick Peterson $12-$15M anyway, why not wait two years?

I've been saying the same thing! PP isn't gonna take the hometown discount IMO, there's a reason he fired & hired a new agent.

 

[Bodha]

You've got it all wrong. The only reason to sign PP right now is to get him at a discount relative to a top pending FA.

If you're going to give him a top-of-the-market deal anyway, then just wait another two cost-controlled years. If he's going to agree to a market that reflects the value of an additional $6M-$8M in "new money" this year.

If you're going to pay Patrick Peterson $12-$15M anyway, why not wait two years?

You say that like its no biggie. This isnt baseball, We do have a cap. It behooves us to sign him at the greatest discount we can squeeze out.

OR we can wait those 2 years after Sherman and Haden have signed their deals, and push PPs number up a few more mill from what itd be if we signed him today.



And also, Because we dont know what position we will be in in 2 years


Right now, today, everything is laid out. We are not SB contenders. Nor will we be anytime soon. And PP is the only guy whos deal is lingering on the horizon. Theres a deep draft in a few months and Keim has proven himself a capable drafter.

Waiting 2 years makes him more expensive and introduces the unknown regarding the rest of our roster. I see zero benefit to waiting.

 

[Buckybird]

You say that like its no biggie. This isnt baseball, We do have a cap. It behooves us to sign him at the greatest discount we can squeeze out.

OR we can wait those 2 years after Sherman and Haden have signed their deals, and push PPs number up a few more mill from what itd be if we signed him today.



And also, Because we dont know what position we will be in in 2 years


Right now, today, everything is laid out. We are not SB contenders. Nor will we be anytime soon. And PP is the only guy whos deal is lingering on the horizon. Theres a deep draft in a few months and Keim has proven himself a capable drafter.

Waiting 2 years makes him more expensive and introduces the unknown regarding the rest of our roster. I see zero benefit to waiting.

While you're right, it's still takes two sides to hammer out a deal. I just don't think PP is gonna settle for less than a hugggge deal, maybe something like Revis is getting...6 yrs $100 mil. Can that fit into the Cards budget...that's the question now? Then again, maybe #21 wants to wait until Sherman & Haden get deals.

 

[BigRedArk]

Right now, today, everything is laid out. We are not SB contenders. Nor will we be anytime soon. And PP is the only guy whos deal is lingering on the horizon. Theres a deep draft in a few months and Keim has proven himself a capable drafter.

As to the Cards not being SB contenders now or anytime soon...you say this with such certainty!? How do you know this? Why are you so certain of it?

 

[cardncubfan]

As to the Cards not being SB contenders now or anytime soon...you say this with such certainty!? How do you know this? Why are you so certain of it?

+1 I for one believe we will be contenders every year. That's what a fan does imhio.


The 2nd i is for idiotic.

 

[Cardiac]

Bodha likes to flame at times and thinks he is at a different level then the rest of us.

At one point he states that smart players take the money that's right in front of them because injury etc can happen but wants us to pay PP what he would get 2 years from now today. A smart player increases his earnings NOW and doesn't sweat getting the biggest pay check ever paid to a CB.

 

[kerouac9]

You say that like its no biggie. This isnt baseball, We do have a cap. It behooves us to sign him at the greatest discount we can squeeze out.

OR we can wait those 2 years after Sherman and Haden have signed their deals, and push PPs number up a few more mill from what itd be if we signed him today.



And also, Because we dont know what position we will be in in 2 years


Right now, today, everything is laid out. We are not SB contenders. Nor will we be anytime soon. And PP is the only guy whos deal is lingering on the horizon. Theres a deep draft in a few months and Keim has proven himself a capable drafter.

Waiting 2 years makes him more expensive and introduces the unknown regarding the rest of our roster. I see zero benefit to waiting.

But what's the discount on? You're saying "PAY THE MAN RIGHT NOW!!!" What does that mean? $12m per year? Because I think that a reasonable deal right now is $8M growing to $12M in the last two seasons of a max extension.

I'm fine signing him to that deal. Everyone wins there. But signing him to a deal that averages $10M per year or more right now tosses away two cost-controlled seasons that we're still guaranteed to have for Peterson.

As for "no one has upcoming deals." That's just not true. 2015's free agency class includes Carson Palmer, Dan Williams, and Rob Housler. And something is going to have to be done about Fitz's deal. The year after that includes Michael Floyd.

I don't want Patrick Peterson to leave in free agency, but he's not going to. When was the last time an elite free agent was allowed to leave a team that preferred to keep him? It's too easy now for NFL teams to keep their guys.

 

[Buckybird]

But what's the discount on? You're saying "PAY THE MAN RIGHT NOW!!!" What does that mean? $12m per year? Because I think that a reasonable deal right now is $8M growing to $12M in the last two seasons of a max extension.

I'm fine signing him to that deal. Everyone wins there. But signing him to a deal that averages $10M per year or more right now tosses away two cost-controlled seasons that we're still guaranteed to have for Peterson.

As for "no one has upcoming deals." That's just not true. 2015's free agency class includes Carson Palmer, Dan Williams, and Rob Housler. And something is going to have to be done about Fitz's deal. The year after that includes Michael Floyd.

I don't want Patrick Peterson to leave in free agency, but he's not going to. When was the last time an elite free agent was allowed to leave a team that preferred to keep him? It's too easy now for NFL teams to keep their guys.

Amen. People act like he's a FA after 2014, which ain't the case!

 

[Bodha]

But what's the discount on?

what do mean? Its a discount compared to what itll be if we wait till after Sherman and Haden have signed their deals.

ex:

Haden signs his deal tomorrow for 12M

Few months later Sherm signs his for 13M

Well now PPs is going to be no less than 14M

The discount is 2M. Which is significant. And this is a very very rudimentary way of explaining this. For all we know, it might be 3 or 4 mill difference. We dont know whow much these guys will want to 1-up each other, and they will if we let them.

You dont let them by being the 1st to sign his guy.

As for "no one has upcoming deals." That's just not true. 2015's free agency class includes Carson Palmer, Dan Williams, and Rob Housler. And something is going to have to be done about Fitz's deal. The year after that includes Michael Floyd.

Exactly!

Would you rather resign PP today, when everything is cool and calm.

Or wait to resign PP when we also have to deal with CP, Dan, Housler, Mike and Fitz?

 

[Buckybird]

what do mean? Its a discount compared to what itll be if we wait till after Sherman and Haden have signed their deals.

ex:

Haden signs his deal tomorrow for 12M

Few months later Sherm signs his for 13M

Well now PPs is going to be no less than 14M

The discount is 2M. Which is significant. And this is a very very rudimentary way of explaining this. For all we know, it might be 3 or 4 mill difference. We dont know whow much these guys will want to 1-up each other, and they will if we let them.

You dont let them by being the 1st to sign his guy.

It still takes 2 to tango Bodha.

We don't even know if that's what Keim & Co aren't thinking at this point do we?

I still think he's not signing for less than $16/yr

 

[kerouac9]

what do mean? Its a discount compared to what itll be if we wait till after Sherman and Haden have signed their deals.

ex:

Haden signs his deal tomorrow for 12M

Few months later Sherm signs his for 13M

Well now PPs is going to be no less than 14M

The discount is 2M. Which is significant. And this is a very very rudimentary way of explaining this. For all we know, it might be 3 or 4 mill difference. We dont know whow much these guys will want to 1-up each other, and they will if we let them.

You dont let them by being the 1st to sign his guy.



Exactly!

Would you rather resign PP today, when everything is cool and calm.

Or wait to resign PP when we also have to deal with CP, Dan, Housler, Mike and Fitz?

Yeah, but you're arguing about spending $6-8M this year, and then another $6-8M additional in 2015, to "save" $2M on Peterson's eventual extension (which everyone agreed is going to happen). How does that make any kind of sense? Like, any at all?

Peterson has a $6M cap number this year, but he's only getting paid $2.9M in 2014. It would seem to me that offering him $8M in "new money" in 2014 would be a pretty good deal for PP--who wouldn't want to essentially treble their salary in one year?

But Peterson's in a unique position vis a vis Sherman (who is a pending unrestricted free agent in 2015) and Joe Haden (ditto). The Cards still have a team option on Peterson through 2015, which means that we'll have him for three-quarters of what he'll be paid when he signs a new deal.

 

[PDXChris]

Haven't we learned that if we do the oppisode of what Bodha recommends, it turns into gold? Between drafting Bjoern Werner, signing Geno Smith while he was still in college and the numerous other suggestions he has had we should know by know.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Oh I got even a better scenario of crap... let's say we were to sign Peterson to this 'great' deal now and then when Sherman and the bunch get more money later, PP is going to want a new contract anyways AGAIN. PP, Sherman and all the CBs are in the same boat and the market will dictate accordingly what each will get depending on the other and there will be no discount smart move by any team. Any team that would pull off a steal of a deal will eventually face a hold out from a top corner lol

 

[Jim Otis]

Oh I got even a better scenario of crap... let's say we were to sign Peterson to this 'great' deal now and then when Sherman and the bunch get more money later, PP is going to want a new contract anyways AGAIN. PP, Sherman and all the CBs are in the same boat and the market will dictate accordingly what each will get depending on the other and there will be no discount smart move by any team. Any team that would pull off a steal of a deal will eventually face a hold out from a top corner lol

JG , STOP IT ! Just stop it right now , you should know better than to post solid logic like this on an NFL message board .

I Unfriend You ! (he,he)

 

[Duckjake]

Oh I got even a better scenario of crap... let's say we were to sign Peterson to this 'great' deal now and then when Sherman and the bunch get more money later, PP is going to want a new contract anyways AGAIN. PP, Sherman and all the CBs are in the same boat and the market will dictate accordingly what each will get depending on the other and there will be no discount smart move by any team. Any team that would pull off a steal of a deal will eventually face a hold out from a top corner lol

I don't know Jet. The guys we let get close to Free Agency end up leaving.

Meanwhile the guys we extend a year early end up being our best players. Have we had anyone we extended have their performance fall off once they got the cash? Post Contract Year Syndrome so to speak. It seems to have worked the other way with Fitz, DWash, Dockett and Campbell.

And has any player started demanding a new contract mid term since Boldin?

 

[Jetstream Green]

I don't know Jet. The guys we let get close to Free Agency end up leaving.

Meanwhile the guys we extend a year early end up being our best players. Have we had anyone we extended have their performance fall off once they got the cash? Post Contract Year Syndrome so to speak. It seems to have worked the other way with Fitz, DWash, Dockett and Campbell.

And has any player started demanding a new contract mid term since Boldin?

Well yes, DuckJake... I give you Jake, Jake Plummer who got an outrageous deal and it did not seem to help his fate. My point though is on the opposite spectrum of the so call steal contract which never works out, see Boldin who kept demanding more during his current contract after it had already been adjusted. Some even want us to go cornerback in round 1, oh dandy... and then if we select well he will get ticked for not having Peterson money. But I will not let this phase me since BASK Inc. are professionals and being wrong is my right as a mere fan lol