If Donald Trump owned this team

[40yearfan]

The budget is provided by Bidwill.

Every business has to work within a budget. Bidwill did not tell DG whom to hire.

Why do we have an offensive line coach who still has a job after the pitiful showing we've had this year?

I contend that Dennis Green's ego is so big, he thinks he can get by with 2cd. rate coaches. I'd be willing to bet you have to be a yes man to play for Green.

 

[CardinalLaw]

When you are the owner, you don't have to answer to anyone. That's why people become business owners. The Cardinals are the oldest team in the NFL and have had the longest continuous ownership of any team in the NFL. You might not like Bidwill's methods or decisions, but you certainly can't fault his business approach. It's worked for him for the past 50 years.

When is franchise could be worth atleast double, maybe triple the amount. Then its his fault. He is the worst owner in all of sports, there isn't even a close second. He treats this team as a source of income, he cares nothing about fans, fans want to win.

 

[CardinalLaw]

Every business has to work within a budget. Bidwill did not tell DG whom to hire.

Why do we have an offensive line coach who still has a job after the pitiful showing we've had this year?

I contend that Dennis Green's ego is so big, he thinks he can get by with 2cd. rate coaches. I'd be willing to bet you have to be a yes man to play for Green.

Well because we wanted Alex Gibbs and Bidwill wouldn't pay him. Your bound to get a bunch of crappy coaches when you pay them all crap.

 

[100%CardsFan]

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"Reggie Your Fired."

 

[BigRedMO]

When you are the owner, you don't have to answer to anyone. That's why people become business owners. The Cardinals are the oldest team in the NFL and have had the longest continuous ownership of any team in the NFL. You might not like Bidwill's methods or decisions, but you certainly can't fault his business approach. It's worked for him for the past 50 years.

His ability to keep operating is due to revenue sharing. The fans watching the other teams keep him in business. Do you think that Cards could stay in business without revenue sharing? Keep in mind they loss money last year with revenue sharing. If the team operated according to capitalism Bidwill like ALL other owners are accountable to their customers. If a business operating in a free capitalist market does not answer to their customers they go out of business. How many years of this ineptitude will it take for you to consider that Bidwill is to blame? Or is there any event that you would hold Bidwill accountable for his team? It is his team is he not responsible for it?

 

[suicidal md cards fan]

damn skippy

You could not be any more right

I think you are two years too late with your take.

Bill Bidwill earned his nickname of Dollar Bill in St.Louis but his cheapness didn't really effect the team for decades at a time because players were tied to the team for as long as the Cardinals wanted them.

When Bill left for Arizona the game changed. With the advent of free agency players made unhappy by Cardinal contract negotiations and second class operations could leave for supposedly greener pastures. Compounded by poor coaching hires and fires the Cardinals spiraled to the bottom of the NFL. Arizona's excitement over having NFL football in the valley of the Sun soon faded to total indifference. Attendance dropped to NFL lows.

Enter Michael Bidwill. The way contracts are handled changes. Players considered to be key to the Cardinals long term success are extended without bitter contract disputes. Player personnel decisions finally begin to change, ending with the disastrous draft of Johnson and Pace.

Unfortuntately the football fans in the Valley had long lost interest in the team. As had the local media. Players used to throngs 80,000 strong or being idolized by their college town papers showed up on Sunday to throngs 25,000 strong and greated by the boos of thousands of fans of their opponents.

They read nothing but negative reports in the local paper. They play 14 road games a year. Professional or not the lack of fan support begins to wear on the players. They play for the glory and excitement of being in the NFL. There is none of that in Arizona.

The dream of an NFL career becomes a nightmare. They lose a little discipline and have no home field advantage to pick them up when a couple of bounces don't go their way and the next thing they know the team is 2-5 and the season heads down the tubes.

Welcome to Arizona where nobody knows your name, where the coaches change and players change but the outcome remains the same.

 

[conraddobler]

We've over this many times with you. THEY DO SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THE CAP. Hell we weren't even that high ranked in how much money was left unspent on the salary cap this year. If we were ranked that low, The signing of Rackers extension wouldn't have basically maxed us out like it has.

Where we have been cheap is in the amount of money we give in signing bonuses.

If anyone deserves the blame for the way we've been playing it would be Dennis Green. He's been given basically full reign in terms of player personnel decisions and has ignored the greatest needs of the team when it was greatly obvious as to what they were ... running the ball and stopping the run. Even when our D was playing out of its mind last year, we still gave up 100 yard rushing games to nobodys. As for rushing the ball we all know how our Oline has been a disaster for years.

Dennis Green has said that they were following the Eagles style of cap control. There is no need to do that this offseason

Amen, thank you.

I didn't want to type that much so thanks for the perfect post.

At some point you just screw up hiring the coach, the only thing I blame the Bidwills for is that they choose DG and after that it was all spilt milk time, had to let him do what he does and you'd think it would turn out better than this but it didn't.

I despise Green and never in a million years did I dream it would be this bad. I figured he'd be good for enough wins to get to the playoffs or at least be competititve but he flat out stinks.

 

[Duckjake]

How do you spend "anticipated" revenues? Are the Bidwill's borrowing money to make payroll? I have not heard that they are. You have to have the money to spend it. This team's cash position is as bad now or worse as to what it was in STL.

You do not have to have money to spend it.
Every person who has a cell phone or internet contract has spent money without having to have it.

Unless you have an amount of money in the bank equal to a players contractual salary you have spent anticipated revenues when you sign that contract. When you anticipate an increase in revenues you can increase the amounts of money you commit to long term agreements. You can agree to higher salaries without having to worry about having to cut a player because you can't afford to pay him in year 3 of the deal. By being able to offer higher salaries you can keep better players from leaving to play for teams that are competiting for your players with their dollars.

Sure the salaries are not guaranteed but that doesn't mean people enter into every contract thinking they are not going to ever pay or receive the money due in later years. Especially can't see it from someone known to be as conservative as Bill Bidwill.

 

[BigRedMO]

Evil Ash, I refer you to the recent post about salary caps where the "two acknowledged experts" said the Cards are not maxing their cap. Do I need to refresh your memory to that post. Your theory is that it does not matter when you spend the cap money. The two experts have already debunked that myth. The Cards go into a season with less money applied to the cap of any other NFL team. THAT IS A FACT.

Harry Truman used to have a sign on his desk that said "the buck stops here". Obviously some of you in here dont believe the buck stops with the top guy. Conrad you admit the head coach decisions are not good. Bidwill picks the head coaches. So when are going to hold him repsonsible for his numerous bad picks?

My frustration with people not wanting to hold the person in charge responsible with this organization is just mind boggling. I was a Navy officer. I was responsible for everything that occurred in the division that I was responsible for. I cant understand your logic to keep rooting for a team that is terrible but you will never hold the one constant, the top guy accountable. It is amazing all Bidwill has to do is fire a head coach and then Bidwill gets another clean slate.

So if I am wrong about blaming Bidwill's financial problems please explain it to me why the Cards are the only team who havent been able to win in 30 years? Even by random chance an owner would hire the right coach and get some good players once in 3O years. So you never intend to hold Bidwill accountable for his team's performance. I am all ears please explain.

 

[BigRedMO]

You do not have to have money to spend it.
Every person who has a cell phone or internet contract has spent money without having to have it.

Unless you have an amount of money in the bank equal to a players contractual salary you have spent anticipated revenues when you sign that contract. When you anticipate an increase in revenues you can increase the amounts of money you commit to long term agreements. You can agree to higher salaries without having to worry about having to cut a player because you can't afford to pay him in year 3 of the deal. By being able to offer higher salaries you can keep better players from leaving to play for teams that are competiting for your players with their dollars.

Sure the salaries are not guaranteed but that doesn't mean people enter into every contract thinking they are not going to ever pay or receive the money due in later years. Especially can't see it from someone known to be as conservative as Bill Bidwill.

To actually physically pay out money that you dont have in earnings or capital requires that somebody loan it to you. The Cards can promise larger salaries in out years of contracts but that present value of the money is less than if that increased amount were paid now. You are saying players are willing to take less money now for the promise of more money in the future. That still has less value to players than that same increased amount of money paid in this years earnings. The Cards would still be operating at a disadvantage to teams that could pay the money now instead of making them wait.

If that increased revene does not occur or is significnatly smaller than thought Bidwill would be in deep do do. His players will walk.

 

[Derm]

I am all ears please explain.

Dude, you hate the Bidwill family. You've told us that over and over again so any 'explaination' or discussion with you would be a fruitless endeavor.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Dude, you hate the Bidwill family. You've told us that over and over again so any 'explaination' or discussion with you would be a fruitless endeavor.

Doesnt make him any less right regarding this matter though!

 

[Evil Ash]

Doesnt make him any less right regarding this matter though!

He's partially right the Bidwills do deserve some of the blame when it comes to this team. They should spend more on signing bonuses and allow for a higher salary to assistants.

However when our coach makes piss poor player management decisions by ignoring the faults of his team, then he deserves plenty of blame also. Green ignored the need for a DT and made bad decisions on fixing the Oline (and possibly the choice at RB) ... that blame and the blame for choice of the "Eagles style" cap management goes to him

 

[Duckjake]

To actually physically pay out money that you dont have in earnings or capital requires that somebody loan it to you. The Cards can promise larger salaries in out years of contracts but that present value of the money is less than if that increased amount were paid now. You are saying players are willing to take less money now for the promise of more money in the future. That still has less value to players than that same increased amount of money paid in this years earnings. The Cards would still be operating at a disadvantage to teams that could pay the money now instead of making them wait.

If that increased revene does not occur or is significnatly smaller than thought Bidwill would be in deep do do. His players will walk.

We were not talking about physically paying out money. We were talking about spending or if you prefer committing anticipated revenues. All the top players sign multi year contracts with salaries agreed for each year of the contract. Now the Cardinals with increased revenues can match or go over what other teams are offering in the latter years of the contracts. They can commit to those payouts down the road because they anticipate increased revenues. No one has to loan them money for them to do that. They just have to be certain enough of the revenues to make the commitment.
Just like any business that has lease agreements, employees etc.

Businesses fail all the time because they did not generate anticipated revenues necessary to meet expenditures. In the NFL though if the money is not there the team cuts the players or lets them leave via free agency and signs cheaper ones. That is why you want to be very certain in your projections of future revenues.

Your bit about the present value of money is irrelevant because the use of long term contracts is common throughout the league. Of course a team has to consider if other teams are offering shorter terms for the same money but that is just part of the planning that goes into negotiations for the players services.

Must be tough for the Bidwill family knowing they have the lowest valued NFL franchise at ONLY around $500 million or so.

Wonder what the capitol gain be on that $35,000 investment? Stupid Bidwills.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

However when our coach makes piss poor player management decisions by ignoring the faults of his team, then he deserves plenty of blame also. Green ignored the need for a DT and made bad decisions on fixing the Oline (and possibly the choice at RB) ... that blame and the blame for choice of the "Eagles style" cap management goes to him

I wont argue that with you...there is plenty of blame to go around.