If Kalil drops at what point should the Cards get involved to move up and get him?

[CtCardinals78]

If MIn passes on Kalil he's probably going to slide to at least 6 or 7. I really think MIN goes in a different direction, if that's the case count the Brown and Bucs out and STL could pass on him. Jax sounds like they are going D, Miami doesn't need a LT, so it's conceivable he could slide to 9 if MIN and STL pass. If this scenario plays out at which time do you start trying to move up if you are in the Cardinals War Room? The only other competition the Cards will face will probably be BUF who is in better position with a 2nd round pick. That said if he's still there at 9, I think the Cards should do whatever they can to get that spot to snag Kalil.

 

[ARZCardinals]

STL won't pass on him....and they aren't trading with us.
...if he falls to 6 you have to consider what it would take.

If the scouts on the team state he's the real deal...toss next years 2 and this years 3 at em and see if it sticks.

I'd rather not give up our 1...but if you got to do to get a real LT.....you do it.

 

[JeffGollin]

What are you willing to give up in ensuing rounds to land Kalil?

An edge-rusher?

A wide receiver opposite Fitz?

A big inside backer?

If we had our 2nd round pick, I'd give up the store to trade up for Kalil. But we don't.

To move from #13 to #9 is going to cost you 200 Value Points. Our #80 would be worth 190.

We're already missing our 2nd round pick, so what we'd end up with would be Kalil and whomever we could get lucky with at #112, #151, #177, #185 and #221.

I'm an "OL Hawk" and am all for giving up a lot to grab an elite OT, but how elite is Kalil in the absolute? How elite is he compared to Reiff (who looks like he'll be for us at #13)?

 

[imaCafan]

I would think, if he gets past the Rams, I would target a trade at 9 if he were still there as you have stated. Our first & third is equal to their pick. Or a first something in 2013....

 

[Stout]

We will not trade up in the first round this year, nor should we. We're already missing our 2nd rounder. We don't have the ammo to do it. The draft has become so essential to team success in the NFL today. Trading away our third round pick would be stupid. Redskins stupid. We stay put or trade back, period.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Matt Kalil = Overrated. At 13, he's a decent pick. At 3, he'll be a huge disappointment. He's a minor upgrade from Levi Brown but he is NOT Joe Thomas.

Steve

 

[JeffGollin]

I would think, if he gets past the Rams, I would target a trade at 9 if he were still there as you have stated. Our first & third is equal to their pick. Or a first something in 2013....

Makes sense except for one other sticky detail - Buffalo is one team rumored to be trying to trade up into the Top 5 to grab Kalil and they have more fire-power than we do.

Plus - If Nix couldn't get the deal done at #3, #4 or #5 and Kalil remained on the board at #7, #8 or #9, he'd no doubt keep trying. (& his #10 pick would be more attractive than our #13).

Perhaps Nix is posturing for a trade - i.e. his #10 for our #13 - worth 150 value points (well within the 190 points our #80 would be worth) and if he'd be willing to throw in a 5th & 6 round pick (worth 40 or so points), maybe that would work.

But the question we'd have to ask ourselves with Buffalo on the clock at #10 is - with Kalila and Reiff still on the board, we'd have a 50% chance of getting one of the two at #13 (with probably Ingram or Floyd as "consolation prizes"). If so, wouldn't be be better off simply waiting til #13 and taking the best guy still on the board?

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Matt Kalil = Overrated. At 13, he's a decent pick. At 3, he'll be a huge disappointment. He's a minor upgrade from Levi Brown but he is NOT Joe Thomas.

Steve

He's no Joe Thomas...he's the next Tony Boselli.

 

[crisper57]

Rams will take him. We'd have to give up a lot to leapfrog them. Probably not worth it with no 2nd rounder this draft.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

9

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He's no Joe Thomas...he's the next Tony Boselli.

He will be way closer to Joe Thomas than Tony Boselli. Wager?

 

[AzStevenCal]

He will be way closer to Joe Thomas than Tony Boselli. Wager?

Tony Boselli was pretty good. He didn't have a long career but he was very effective his first 6 or 7 years. I think Cardinals.Ken would win this bet if for no other reason than they are former Trojans and they're roughly the same height. I doubt Kalil will be as good as either of these two guys although I do seem to be the only idiot that downgrades Matt's value.

Steve

 

[desertdawg]

9

That sounds about right but if Kalil is there at 9...this will be one weird draft.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Tony Boselli was pretty good. He didn't have a long career but he was very effective his first 6 or 7 years. I think Cardinals.Ken would win this bet if for no other reason than they are former Trojans and they're roughly the same height. I doubt Kalil will be as good as either of these two guys although I do seem to be the only idiot that downgrades Matt's value.

Steve

I'm still willing to take on the wager. It will be hard to gauge probowls if they take away the game, but there still be some sort of pro-bowl voting.

Will have to come up with some way of quantifying the wager if CK is down.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That sounds about right but if Kalil is there at 9...this will be one weird draft.

I'd be willing to move up to 6 or 7 for him if it didn't cost so much / we still had our 2nd round pick. 9 seems to be the point IMO where it is cost effective.

 

[desertdawg]

I'd be willing to move up to 6 or 7 for him if it didn't cost so much / we still had our 2nd round pick. 9 seems to be the point IMO where it is cost effective.

Yup, like they say on Seinfeld...we do not have a square to spare.

 

[imaCafan]

What is the talent level between Kalil & Reiff? Pro bowler vs. 10 year starter, top 15 vs. top 30, Joe Thomas vs. Jeremy Bridges????

 

[crisper57]

What is the talent level between Kalil & Reiff?Pro bowler vs. 10 starter, top 15 vs. top 30, Joe Thomas vs. Jeremy Bridges????

Depends on who you ask. I've heard some people think Reiff is the safer pick (higher floor), but Kalil has a much, much higher upside.

 

[Pariah]

He will be way closer to Joe Thomas than Tony Boselli. Wager?

?? They're both really good OTs. Are you saying Kalil is going to be BETTER than Joe Thomas, because as of right now, Boselli's career is better.

Boselli was a 5 time probowler and a member of the 1990's all-decade team.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

I'd give up next years second, or this years third (plus our #13 of course)

 

[dreamcastrocks]

?? They're both really good OTs. Are you saying Kalil is going to be BETTER than Joe Thomas, because as of right now, Boselli's career is better.

Boselli was a 5 time probowler and a member of the 1990's all-decade team.

I'm saying that after Thomas's career is over, he stats will be superior to Boselli. I also believe that Kalil will have a career that is better than Boselli and closer to Thomas when all is said and done.

Absolutely this one could take a long time for this one to be solved either way...

 

[Big Deal]

Stay put or trade down 5 spots if your guy doesn't fall. There are so many players that could help this team, you can't trade up into the top 10 if you are the Cards.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm not interested in trading up at all. We have too many holes to give up opportunties to draft solid players whatever our history is unless it is to get a QB.

I like Melvin Ingram over Kalil, Floyd and DeCastro and I wouldn't move up one spot if it forced me to draft one less player in this draft above the 6th round.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I'm not interested in trading up at all. We have too many holes to give up opportunties to draft solid players whatever our history is unless it is to get a QB.

I like Melvin Ingram over Kalil, Floyd and DeCastro and I wouldn't move up one spot if it forced me to draft one less player in this draft above the 6th round.

I feel the same Chopper, that loss of a 2nd round pick is HUGE with the nature of players in this draft and the position it has put us in should deny us of even thinking of moving up 1 spot