If the Cardinals go Lane Johnson

[WildBB]

Will you be bummed about this pick or not.

1-Fisher
2-Jordan
3-Floyd
4-Lutulelei
5-Joekel
6-Milliner

 

[Heucrazy]

I will be pissed. You don't take the 3rd best OT and pass on the #1 OG. Especially when you need an OG more than an OT anyway.

 

[LDL]

+1

 

[Jim Otis]

I will be pissed. You don't take the 3rd best OT and pass on the #1 OG. Especially when you need an OG more than an OT anyway.

Well said , the stronger the running game , the less pass rush Palmer will see . We need Chance Warmaker , more than we need a tackle .

 

[Azlen]

Believe it or not, in McShay's latest mock, he's gone before 7.

1. Kansas City Chiefs

Luke Joeckel*, OT, Texas A&M

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2. Jacksonville Jaguars

Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan

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3. Oakland Raiders

Sharrif Floyd*, DT, Florida

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4. Philadelphia Eagles

Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma

 

[Chopper0080]

He would not be my top choice, but it still upgrades the offensive line in my opinion. I give it a "meh".

 

[seesred]

I'm in on the number 1 guard

GBR
40

 

[kerouac9]

How would you guys feel if we drafted Lane Johnson, and then started him at guard for a season or two, while we wean him into the game, get his fundamentals straight, and get Levi Brown off our books?

 

[Mulli]

How would you guys feel if we drafted Lane Johnson, and then started him at guard for a season or two, while we wean him into the game, get his fundamentals straight, and get Levi Brown off our books?

Why not let him do all of that at left tackle? Or are you being sarcastic?
If they are stuck with Levi at left tackle, why draft another?

 

[WildBB]

Why not let him do all of that at left tackle? Or are you being sarcastic?
If they are stuck with Levi at left tackle, why draft another?

I know people are clammoring for Warmack here. The guard position is just not a high draft pick position. LT is. Levi could start the season at LT and you could work L. Johnson in at G for a yr. or less then you have your LT for the duration of his career.

Next year you get your franchise QB, maybe. Then he's protected.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I know people are clammoring for Warmack here. The guard position is just not a high draft pick position. LT is. Levi could start the season at LT and you could work L. Johnson in at G for a yr. or less then you have your LT for the duration of his career.

Next year you get your franchise QB, maybe. Then he's protected.

He's not protected, not with our guards. Give us a strong interior last year and our tackles look a heck of a lot better.

Steve

 

[GuernseyCard]

I will be pissed. You don't take the 3rd best OT and pass on the #1 OG. Especially when you need an OG more than an OT anyway.

Johnson has a Scouts Inc rating of 94. Warmack 95.

Hardly a reach, although I favour selecting Warmack at this point.

My sense is that he'll be gone by the time we pick, so the issue is moot.

 

[joeshmo]

This year only I wont be pissed at any picks. While I may not be elated with any of them I do not know how well this staff scouts or coaches, so they get a pass on me being pissed off this one year. Seattle got panned their first few years but that staff knows what they are looking for, for their needs, so I will give the benefit of the doubt this year to see if we do to or not.

 

[Mainstreet]

If selecting a guard vs. tackle at #7, from what I have read, the Cardinals can get a quality guard in the second round but they are not likely to get a quality tackle in the second round. IMO, this is a strong argument to draft a tackle at #7, like kerouac9 said, starting him at guard if necessary.

I have a gut feeling the Cardinals would like to go OLB with their first pick.

 

[kerouac9]

Why not let him do all of that at left tackle? Or are you being sarcastic?
If they are stuck with Levi at left tackle, why draft another?

Because the potential for downside and rookie mistakes is greater at LT than it is at LG. Not only are LTs frequently left with no help on the left side, they're also facing off against the opposing defense's best pass rusher.

Meanwhile, a LG has help on either side of him, one being a center who's sole responsibility usually is providing help for whichever linemate requires it.

IMO, Levi Brown will be a better option as a starting left tackle than anyone except Luke Joekel. I'm not eager to throw away another half-season or more while a rookie gets his feet under him.

The Baltimore Ravens started Jonathan Ogden at LG for his first season before kicking him outside to tackle, and it worked out all right for them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This year only I wont be pissed at any picks. While I may not be elated with any of them I do not know how well this staff scouts or coaches, so they get a pass on me being pissed off this one year. Seattle got panned their first few years but that staff knows what they are looking for, for their needs, so I will give the benefit of the doubt this year to see if we do to or not.

yeah... i'll take a wait and see attitude this year.

 

[kerouac9]

This year only I wont be pissed at any picks. While I may not be elated with any of them I do not know how well this staff scouts or coaches, so they get a pass on me being pissed off this one year. Seattle got panned their first few years but that staff knows what they are looking for, for their needs, so I will give the benefit of the doubt this year to see if we do to or not.

That's all well and good, but how ARE James Carpenter and John Moffit working out for Seattle?

As we've learned from the Keim Supremacy, hitting on a couple of late rounders (notably Cam Chancellor and Richard Sherman) cures a lot of ills, but the questionable decisions of the Seattle front office remain fairly questionable.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I won't be pissed with any pick that addresses the offensive line.

That is like bitching all summer you can't find ice cream and then complaining when someone brings you mint chip instead of chocolate chip.

 

[Capital Card]

I swear, some of y'all over-state the importance of keeping a guy at the same position they played in college and understate the amount and quality of coaching they'll get in the pros.

Most of the Right tackles coming out of college are playing that position, because they were the second best OL their coaching staff could recruit. Most of those same coaches would give their left nut for an opportunity to coach in the NFL.

Due to the specialization of each team's style of play, a guy with limited bulk but great speed may be the best player for one team, whereas the same guy would "bust" for another team that rely's big bodies. I don't think we really know yet what our new staff is looking for.

Whomever we pick, I'll totally support. Sad truth is that while we "should" get a great impact player at 7, it may not actually work out that way over the long term. For as much crap as Levi gets in here, the line didn't turn to complete crap until he went out on IR.

I'm hoping Bruce, Keim, and even Michael Bidwill all find a way to work well with one another and they return this team to respectability.

Go Cards!!!

 

[Mulli]

Because the potential for downside and rookie mistakes is greater at LT than it is at LG. Not only are LTs frequently left with no help on the left side, they're also facing off against the opposing defense's best pass rusher.

Meanwhile, a LG has help on either side of him, one being a center who's sole responsibility usually is providing help for whichever linemate requires it.

IMO, Levi Brown will be a better option as a starting left tackle than anyone except Luke Joekel. I'm not eager to throw away another half-season or more while a rookie gets his feet under him.

The Baltimore Ravens started Jonathan Ogden at LG for his first season before kicking him outside to tackle, and it worked out all right for them.

I don't have strong feelings against what you are saying, but 1) is Lane Johnson Jonathan Ogden? and 2) why aren't you willing to throw away this particular half season so the rookie first round pick LT can learn the position as a rookie instead of having to learn it as a second year player who has only played guard? Is this particular team in the running for something? Just wondering, I am fine with the Cards drafting OT, OG or OLB.

 

[Southpaw]

Believe it or not, in McShay's latest mock, he's gone before 7.

1. Kansas City Chiefs

Luke Joeckel*, OT, Texas A&M

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2. Jacksonville Jaguars

Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan

​

3. Oakland Raiders

Sharrif Floyd*, DT, Florida

​

4. Philadelphia Eagles

Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma

Very well could be. All could be plug and play.

 

[Southpaw]

How would you guys feel if we drafted Lane Johnson, and then started him at guard for a season or two, while we wean him into the game, get his fundamentals straight, and get Levi Brown off our books?

Lane Johnson is arguably the most athletic of the three. I like speed and agility over weight. If he is going to be blocking 255 lb. speed rushers all day, I don't see the disadvantage with him. I suspect Luke Joeckel is the least athletic of the 3. Fisher has a nice blend.

In my mock, I have Floyd #2 going to Jax.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think Lane will be a good player but I would be upset if Warmack was still on the board... the Warmack monster is going to be elite in my opinion

 

[kerouac9]

I don't have strong feelings against what you are saying, but 1) is Lane Johnson Jonathan Ogden? and 2) why aren't you willing to throw away this particular half season so the rookie first round pick LT can learn the position as a rookie instead of having to learn it as a second year player who has only played guard? Is this particular team in the running for something? Just wondering, I am fine with the Cards drafting OT, OG or OLB.

I don't think that Lane Johnson is Jonathan Ogden, but if you want to think about whether this is possible, Branden Albert played LG for two seasons in college at Virginia (Next to D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Eben Britton, IIRC--I'm not looking it up) before going to LT for the Chiefs, and former UGA (and K9 favorite) Cordy Glenn started as OG and RT for the Bulldogs before becoming a left tackle for the Bills.

I'm not willing to throw away half a season because I didn't really enjoy watching Kevin Kolb be a punching bag when D'Anthony Batiste was out there. It's not fun football to watch.

IMO, the technique that Johnson will be learning as an LG will get him 80% of where he'll need to be to be a LT in 2014 or 2015. The difference between that and 8 starts at LT in 2013 is maybe 10%.

If I'm squinting hard and have had a couple of drinks, I can talk myself into 10 wins on the schedule that DON'T include going 5-1 in the division. Unfortunately, a number of those games are in the early part of the schedule.

I actually think that Johnson's athleticism helps us more as a guard because we're going to do a lot of pulling and zone concepts than it will if he's a tackle and we kick Levi Brown into guard, because I don't think that Levi has good straight-line speed.

My intention is to have the 2015 offensive line be Johnson-Potter-???-???-Massie with Kelemete as being one of those question-mark fillers or a 3rd guard.

 

[desertdawg]

I won't be pissed with any pick that addresses the offensive line.

That is like bitching all summer you can't find ice cream and then complaining when someone brings you mint chip instead of chocolate chip.

and at the same time.