If the Suns Go "Big" at #4, #5. or #6 .... The Pick Should Be ....

[asuhoopsnut]

Alex Len ...... Out of the choices of Zeller, Bennett, or Len ..... I think Len's game translates the best to the NBA. I also believe that he has the most upside. You can build around Len and trade Gortat before it's too late.

If they decide to go small my choices would be:

1) McCollum
2) Oladipo
3) Burke

Link to Highlights from Len - http://nbadraft.net/players/alex-len

Mor highlights from Len - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxAy0a-X5gI

 

[SirStefan32]

I'd rather have Len than Zeller, but I am not sold on either. If we manage to get a second lottery pick, and Len is available, I'd be OK with him.

I am more intrigued by Steve Adams later in the first round, though.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'd be very leery of a big man with chronic foot or ankle issues. Maybe this surgery fixes everything for Len but even healthy he's a long way from being an NBA player so why take the risk? If he fills out and becomes the player he can be it will likely happen during his second contract. Not a wise investment IMO. Maybe I'd take the gamble if we were a stable organization and likely to remain so but that's just not the case right now.

Steve

 

[slinslin]

I don't see any reason why we should go back at either pick.

If anything maybe Gobert eventhough he has gigantic bust potential at least he has incredibly upside.
I just think it is unlikely that he fulfills that potential.

 

[Mulli]

...not another mediocre tweener forward who is gone in ahead or so.

 

[SirStefan32]

I don't see any reason why we should go back at either pick.

If anything maybe Gobert eventhough he has gigantic bust potential at least he has incredibly upside.
I just think it is unlikely that he fulfills that potential.

If we were able to get another pick, I'd be ok with drafting Gobert and leaving him in Europe for two years.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I don't see any reason why we should go back at either pick.

If anything maybe Gobert eventhough he has gigantic bust potential at least he has incredibly upside.
I just think it is unlikely that he fulfills that potential.

Honestly, I'm not sure there is a high potential player in this draft that will approach their ceiling. There are several that probably won't flop such as McLemore, Porter, Burke and Oladipo but I'm not sure that any one of them will become a star. The high risk-high reward players such as Bennett, Noel, Shabazz and I'd guess Gobert have even greater bust potential than you'd normally see. In a typical draft you'd expect to grab these kind of players at the bottom of the lottery or later but in this draft, they make as much sense in the top 5 as the "sure things" do because the sure things aren't all that special.

Steve

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Suns will be all ove Mclemore if hes there its there biggest need

 

[Mainstreet]

If the Suns draft #4, #5 or #6 I would like the Suns to draft a big man if the new GM and medical staff feel good about possible health issues with the pick, e.g., Len, Gobert.

However, the most sure thing I have seen is Burke at this spot in the draft. It really leaves me with mixed feelings.

 

[slinslin]

If the Suns draft #4, #5 or #6 I would like the Suns to draft a big man if the new GM and medical staff feel good about possible health issues with the pick, e.g., Len, Gobert.

However, the most sure thing I have seen is Burke at this spot in the draft. It really leaves me with mixed feelings.

I think that would be a huge huge huge mistake.

Big guys and especially centers in the lottery have BY FAR historically had the highest chance of completely busting. If you look at top 5 or top 7 picks and look at the players who were total busts you will find that probably about 70-80% of them were centers.

Outside of Noel I don't think any big guy in this years draft should be drafted over McLemore, Oladipo, Porter, Muhammad, Burke or McCollum. So that means that there are 6 guards/wings that I rate higher plus Noel and the worst we can pick is #7.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Suns will be all ove Mclemore if hes there its there biggest need

I'm sorry. He scares me to death. Listen to the interviews. He is Forrest Gump.

Reminds me of Shawn Marion, Michael Beasley, Ron Artest. Some big, athletic guys can be effective without being very smart, but a 6-5 2 needs wits.

Any big the Suns draft in the 4-7 spot will probably be a mistake, unless you consider Otto Porter a big.

 

[Lights]

I'm sorry. He scares me to death. Listen to the interviews. He is Forrest Gump.

Reminds me of Shawn Marion, Michael Beasley, Ron Artest. Some big, athletic guys can be effective without being very smart, but a 6-5 2 needs wits.

Well if he turned out as good as Marion was, we would be lucky, especially out of this draft. With the Suns luck they will draft him and he'll turn into one of the other crazies you listed.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think that would be a huge huge huge mistake.

Big guys and especially centers in the lottery have BY FAR historically had the highest chance of completely busting. If you look at top 5 or top 7 picks and look at the players who were total busts you will find that probably about 70-80% of them were centers.

Outside of Noel I don't think any big guy in this years draft should be drafted over McLemore, Oladipo, Porter, Muhammad, Burke or McCollum. So that means that there are 6 guards/wings that I rate higher plus Noel and the worst we can pick is #7.

If the Suns are picking Suns draft #4, #5 or #6, I consider Burke the most sure thing at this point in the draft. McLemore is not likely to be available. I would prefer a big man over a small if the talent and health is comparable. We agree it should be BPA. However, I'm not sure a big man might not be the right choice. I have not excluded them as BPA at this point in the draft even though I feel strongly about Burke.

 

[devilalum]

I hate bigs at the top of the draft. For every guy that's even starter quality there are 20 Big Countrys.

 

[slinslin]

I'm sorry. He scares me to death. Listen to the interviews. He is Forrest Gump.

Reminds me of Shawn Marion, Michael Beasley, Ron Artest. Some big, athletic guys can be effective without being very smart, but a 6-5 2 needs wits.

Any big the Suns draft in the 4-7 spot will probably be a mistake, unless you consider Otto Porter a big.

Yeah man Tracy McGrady, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant etc they have been rocket scientists. Allen Iverson is up for the noble prize I guess.

You have no idea if or not McLemore is smart or not, look at his bio he had a rough life. Intelligence =/= Education/Knowledge. Being stupid or lets say sounding stupid in interviews hasn't hurt Shawn Marion or Ron Artest.

McLemore has actual basketball talent and that is all that counts.

Did you listen to your boy Oladipo? Yeah he sounds smart but he says stupid things. He said his first basketball memory was watching Michael Jordan vs Magic Johnson in the regular season in 94. A journalist told him it must have been 91 - Well you figure Oladipo is born in April 1992. So he never saw Magic Johnson play really..

Emeka Okafor is extremely smart, Dwight Howard is probably dumb as a rock. Intelligence is not a requirement to be a successful pro athlete.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah man Tracy McGrady, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant etc they have been rocket scientists. Allen Iverson is up for the noble prize I guess.

Kobe was probably one of the most well-rounded educated players in the league...and that was even coming straight out of high school. Went to prep-school, traveled abroad, could speak multiple languages. Dude may be a psychopath, but he never came across as stupid.

 

[sunsfan88]

In a year when the No. 1 pick could be a player needing six more months of knee rehabilitation (Noel), the Suns will consider two more injured frontcourt players — the powerful but undersized Bennett and skilled 19-year-old Len. Bennett did not participate in the combine due to recent rotator-cuff surgery and Len appeared for interviews but is on the mend from ankle surgery. The agile 7-foot-1 center hopes to return to the court by August.


Suns scouts have held a high interest in Len since before the past college season.


“I think I have the biggest upside in this draft from the big guys,” Len said. “Maybe 10 years from now, I’ll be the best player in this draft.”


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...-focus-nd-tier.html?&nclick_check=1#protected

Would be a huge reach with our own pick but a decent possibility if we acquire another pick.

 

[Phrazbit]

Would be a huge reach with our own pick but a decent possibility if we acquire another pick.

First off... we have a new GM, I am not too concerned about what scouts thought a year ago.

Second, the author of that article does not understand the way the lotto works...

But the Suns’ reality is that there are 881 chances out of 1,000 lottery combinations that they will wind up between Nos. 4 and 7.

That is wildly inaccurate. Those 881 out 1000 odds are the odds of us not getting the FIRST pick. We have roughly 38% odds to land somewhere in top 3.

 

[Griffin]

Very unlikely the Suns will draft 4th.

 

[sunsfan88]

Very unlikely the Suns will draft 4th.

How? Out of all possibilities, #4 is most likely statistic wise.

 

[Griffin]

How? Out of all possibilities, #4 is most likely statistic wise.

It is not. For the Suns to draft 4th, no teams could move up into top 3, so teams that finished with the 3 worst records would each have to win one of the top 3 picks. That is very unlikely. The Suns probability of drafting 4th is 8.5%. They are more likely to win the top pick (11.9%) than to draft 4th. But they will most likely pick 5th (32.3%) or even 6th (15.6%).

 

[Errntknght]

I don't think statistics really play a role this year as far as the number 1 pick goes. Think about it, the basketball gods always revel in screwing the Phoenix Suns and this year presents them with another golden opportunity to do it. The Phoenix Suns have gone longer than any other NBA team without a #1 pick so this year the gods have a chance to finally give us that coveted pick - yet still screw us over because the #1 pick can go so badly awry this year. If you pick Noel he could well have an Odenesque career and if you pick anyone else Nerlens could prove to be the only really worthwhile player in it. I really don't think there is a chance the gods pass on this opportunity.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It is not. For the Suns to draft 4th, no teams could move up into top 3, so teams that finished with the 3 worst records would each have to win one of the top 3 picks. That is very unlikely. The Suns probability of drafting 4th is 8.5%. They are more likely to win the top pick (11.9%) than to draft 4th. But they will most likely pick 5th (32.3%) or even 6th (15.6%).

You can find the odds here http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/5/11/4319522/phoenix-suns-2013-nba-draft-preview-lottery-odds


Odds for the Suns getting #4 are .099. Their odds for getting 1-4 are very similar to getting 5-7.

 

[Chaplin]

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[Phrazbit]

It is not. For the Suns to draft 4th, no teams could move up into top 3, so teams that finished with the 3 worst records would each have to win one of the top 3 picks. That is very unlikely. The Suns probability of drafting 4th is 8.5%. They are more likely to win the top pick (11.9%) than to draft 4th. But they will most likely pick 5th (32.3%) or even 6th (15.6%).

Yep, the Suns pick odds go from most likely to least likely as follows:

5th (35%)
6th (16%)
3rd (13.3%)
2nd (12.6%)
1st (11.9%)
4th (10%)
7th (1%)

During the envelope openings we all need to be praying the order before the top 4 stays intact, each team that jumps up severely diminishes our odds.