If We Are Forced to Trade Q

[cardsfanmd]

I want Boldin. How about we just give him a new deal around 8 mill a year and end this?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I want Boldin. How about we just give him a new deal around 8 mill a year and end this?

Heres the problem MD. What happened this playoffs with Fitz entering another stratosphere just pushed the Cards and Boldin much farther apart.

Boldin thinks he should get paid the same as Fitz. He's thought that all along because of past production, loyalty to the org, and what he thinks he is going to do in the future. I don't see him taking less to stay in Arizona. Problem is the FO (and rightfully so) will say you are not as young, as good, or as healthy as Fitz. Theres no way we are paying you what we paid Larry.

That will lead to a stalemate and his eventual trade IMO.

 

[az jam]

Heres the problem MD. What happened this playoffs with Fitz entering another stratosphere just pushed the Cards and Boldin much farther apart.

Boldin thinks he should get paid the same as Fitz. He's thought that all along because of past production, loyalty to the org, and what he thinks he is going to do in the future. I don't see him taking less to stay in Arizona. Problem is the FO (and rightfully so) will say you are not as young, as good, or as healthy as Fitz. Theres no way we are paying you what we paid Larry.

That will lead to a stalemate and his eventual trade IMO.

I'm afraid that you may be right on this.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Heres the problem MD. What happened this playoffs with Fitz entering another stratosphere just pushed the Cards and Boldin much farther apart.

Boldin thinks he should get paid the same as Fitz. He's thought that all along because of past production, loyalty to the org, and what he thinks he is going to do in the future. I don't see him taking less to stay in Arizona. Problem is the FO (and rightfully so) will say you are not as young, as good, or as healthy as Fitz. Theres no way we are paying you what we paid Larry.

That will lead to a stalemate and his eventual trade IMO.

I agree to an extent. Q was not healthy for the playoffs, this is a fact.

Think over the whole season and tell me he wasn't very valuable. 11 TDs says something. He was also our only reciever capable of doing anything in the first half yesterday. I agree his age will factor in though I dont think his injury history will because he doesn't have a weak body he just plays hard as hell and I think the team respects and loves this.

I may be wrong, but I was under the impression that Fitz is making 10 mill a year. This is why I think 8 per is fair for Q. Sadly, I think we will be reworking something for Stevie B this offseason too. Graves has got one hell of an offseason coming up.

Normally I would just say trade the man, but I am biased for Q. Mainly, I dont want to trade him because I dont have faith that we will get just compensation. A first and a third doesn't it for me and I dont want a top 10. Not when Detroit just got 2 #1's for that puss Williams.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The way the team approached the very idea of trading with another team with Boldin and the way Fitz wants Boldin back, I seriously doubt Boldin is going anywhere. And why would we want to get rid of Breaston? young, not much of a pay hit, and only getting better.

 

[joshstmarie]

it blows my mind that people still want boldin back even after he said he didnt want to be a cardinal. The guy was basically worthless in the playoffs... yea sure decoy right? who wants to pay 8 mill a year for a decoy breaking down crying WR. think with your heads not your heart.

 

[sportznutt]

IF we have to trade, and only if........

Boldin to JAX for #8 and Mathis?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Cards will not deal Q to an NFC team that has even a remote chance of making the playoffs! Why would we trade him to a team that could immediately hurt us? If dealt (which I think is about a 40-60 chance) it will be to an AFC team...

 

[azsouthendzone]

roflmao, you have never seen Fargas play have you. I hope not, because at least that just makes you ignorant..

Posting a silly internet acronymn doesn't make Fargas good. People like you think Fargas is good and that Josh McCown can read defense. Get real. Fargas is just a guy. The team needs a real RB not another mediocre roster filler.

 

[anks106]

IF we have to trade, and only if........

Boldin to JAX for #8 and Mathis?

Go over a Jags board and tell them you think this is a fair trade and see how fast they laugh you off. Boldin for their high first and their all pro corner.

This is the equivalent of the Patriots telling us we can have

Welker for Our 1st, Our 2nd, Our 3rd, Our 2nd next year and Dockett.

 

[Unsterblich856]

I'd rather die than see Boldin in a Raiders jersey. He deserves muuuuuuuuch much much much much better than that.

 

[anks106]

Posting a silly internet acronymn doesn't make Fargas good. People like you think Fargas is good and that Josh McCown can read defense. Get real. Fargas is just a guy. The team needs a real RB not another mediocre roster filler.

Its people like you who make baseless assumptions about other posters and judge players based not on what they do on the field, but what you think of them. Fargas is not a pro bowler, but hes a heck of a lot better than you give him credit for.

 

[cardinalsfan]

I'd rather die than see Boldin in a Raiders jersey. He deserves muuuuuuuuch much much much much better than that.

I'd love to see Boldin in a Raiders jersey. It's him asking for a trade, why do we care if he goes to a struggling team, that way we don't have to worry about seeing him because he's in the AFC and even with Boldin they still wouldn't be a good team.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Cards will not deal Q to an NFC team that has even a remote chance of making the playoffs! Why would we trade him to a team that could immediately hurt us? If dealt (which I think is about a 40-60 chance) it will be to an AFC team...

i was just going to post the same thing. Could you imagine Boldin playing for Philly and knocking the Cards out of the playoffs next year? I say the most likely destinations for Boldin are in order:
1-Miami
2-Tenn
3-Balt
4-Jax
5-Jets

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Go over a Jags board and tell them you think this is a fair trade and see how fast they laugh you off. Boldin for their high first and their all pro corner.

This is the equivalent of the Patriots telling us we can have

Welker for Our 1st, Our 2nd, Our 3rd, Our 2nd next year and Dockett.

that's not even remotely equivalent. I though i read where there has been talk of Jax not happy with Mathis at all this past year. I'm not saying they'd do that trade but your comparison in a Welker trade is what will get you laughed off a board. I would try for the #8 pick and Nelson but Jax may not go for that either.

Also, for thsoe of you who think Boldin won't garner a #1 pick, think again. If teams were offering #1's last year, they will probably up the offer this year because of his production and toughness. Throw in that there may be a bidding war and his value only goes up. However, i could see the Cards maybe taking a deal like Miami's two second round picks this and future picks involved as well that aren't a #1. Three second rounder for Boldin would also be a nice haul. That would give the Cards 4 of the top 63 picks in a very good draft. Theoretically, we could get a haul like McCoy, Mack, Alphonso Smith, and Chase Coffman.

 

[English on tour]

We need to hold on to Q. He's a rare player.

 

[DeAnna]

I hope we keep Q, but don't see that happening since he hates management.

And, you can't compare Roy Williams to Q! We should be getting a 1st rd pick for him if he's traded.

 

[Russ Smith]

On Mike and Mike this morning they were saying a 1 and a 3 is about right and mentioned Philly(21st pick and 28th pick) and the GIants(replace Plax) as the likely suitors.

Philly has the higher pick so that would be my choice of those 2.

I would prefer to keep Q but we have shown we can win games without him, he's injury prone, and he may simply WANT to leave. If he wants to stay keep him, if he doesn't get the best value and trade him.

For me the big needs this offseason are better FS, better CB opposite DRC and pass rush. I've stated before I would do backflips if we get Asomugha, and I would love to get the Raiders punter as well Shane Lechler is among the best in the NFL.

the OL needs help too, and we could use a RB if we get a shot at a really good one but I think the last drive showed that we don't have the DB's to cover our passrush and don't have the passrush to cover our DB's so we have to improve one or both areas.

 

[Russ Smith]

it blows my mind that people still want boldin back even after he said he didnt want to be a cardinal. The guy was basically worthless in the playoffs... yea sure decoy right? who wants to pay 8 mill a year for a decoy breaking down crying WR. think with your heads not your heart.

Worthless is silly he turned a short slant into a TD against Atlanta before the hammy injury and he nearly scored on a slant in the Super bowl too setting up a score.

The issue is does he want to be here?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I don't think the Cardinal organization wants to pay big bucks for a top ten pick again. I think an Eagles trade for one of their first round picks make more sense as they have two number ones in the draft (#21 & #28). Perhaps one of their first and a third makes good sense.

Still would like a player thrown in...

 

[anks106]

that's not even remotely equivalent. I though i read where there has been talk of Jax not happy with Mathis at all this past year. I'm not saying they'd do that trade but your comparison in a Welker trade is what will get you laughed off a board. I would try for the #8 pick and Nelson but Jax may not go for that either.

Also, for thsoe of you who think Boldin won't garner a #1 pick, think again. If teams were offering #1's last year, they will probably up the offer this year because of his production and toughness. Throw in that there may be a bidding war and his value only goes up. However, i could see the Cards maybe taking a deal like Miami's two second round picks this and future picks involved as well that aren't a #1. Three second rounder for Boldin would also be a nice haul. That would give the Cards 4 of the top 63 picks in a very good draft. Theoretically, we could get a haul like McCoy, Mack, Alphonso Smith, and Chase Coffman.

Team offered 1st last year for a guy who was not a discontent, that lowers value. We'll still get a 1st, just not one as high.

As for that trade, The picks are a wash (check the value chart) and Welker and Boldin are not a huge difference, while Dockett and Mathis are both 1 time pro bowlers of similar age. If you want to change around the players fine, but give up all those picks in value and a pro bowler to get back an all pro.. not happening

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Team offered 1st last year for a guy who was not a discontent, that lowers value. We'll still get a 1st, just not one as high.

As for that trade, The picks are a wash (check the value chart) and Welker and Boldin are not a huge difference, while Dockett and Mathis are both 1 time pro bowlers of similar age. If you want to change around the players fine, but give up all those picks in value and a pro bowler to get back an all pro.. not happening

Pay the man and the "dis" in discontent is removed.

This is not a problem player in the mind's of management throughout the league, IMO.

 

[nashman]

Welker and Boldin not a huge difference.....you have lost any credibility!!!

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Isn't he under contract for at least the next two years, and if so This has got to be the DUMBEST POST EVER ON THIS FORUM I have ever read and posted on...!!!!!!!!!!!!

KNOW ONE IS EVER FORCED TO TRADE A PLAYER UNDER CONTRACT UNLESS THEY WANT TO.


BOBCAT

Why is it dumb? He's under contract for two more years, however with all the off field issues he's had this season, I have no reason to believe that Boldin isn't prepared to walk when that contract is up. I don't know what makes Q tick, nor am I going to pretend that I do, however all indications point to his dissatisfaction with the organization and that not only causes problems in two years, it causes problems for the here and now, because as long as he continues to openly bitch about his contract, it's going to mess with team morale. The Cardinals have danced this ball many times before and wound up with the short end of the shaft. They realize they have a hell of a chip and can almost call their shots. If Dallas gave up a first for Roy Williams, who isn't nearly as good as Boldin, Arizona knows they can likely get a first too and at least get some return for Q, rather than letting him play out his contract and walk in two years. Teams would be more likely NOW to give up a first for him, and know they have him locked down for two years at minimum. For the Cardinals, it's called getting value for him while they can.

Also, some of you are responding like he asked if the Cards would be willing to give Boldin up for a 7th rounder and cash considerations. To get a Top 10 pick in a deep draft that's heavy at the top would be a coup. Remember, the Vikings got a 1st, Napoleon Harris and a late pick for Moss, who at the time was regarded as a top 3 WR. So, Fargas (a pretty good HB when healthy) and a 1st for Boldin is by no means a "bad deal".

Only issue I have with the deal is Fargas' health. He's productive when healthy, as proven by his 2007 season where he gained 1,009 yards and 4 TD on just 7 starts. He also looked fairly productive this year, splitting time with both Darren McFadden AND Michael Bush, netting 853 on the ground. However his biggest issue in his career has been just that: his health. In a split HB set on a pass heavy offense though, you can do FAR worse than Fargas. Also, by getting him, the Cardinals could address other needs with the 7th pick potentially. I know I personally wouldn't mind seeing Arizona net Brian Orakapo of Texas to fill their need for a pass rusher at 7, then Clay Matthews, Clint Sintim or Alex Mack at 31. That, to me, is a damn good draft and would lessen the sting of Q's trade.

Trust me, if I have my way, I keep a young, proven player over a draft pick 9 times out of 10. However, if the proven player already has one foot out the door and is just biding his time and a deal like this comes around, I'd be hard pressed not to bite.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I'm torn between a new deal for Q, and a trade.

On the one hand, don't want to mess with an element that got us to the SB, on the other, see in a trade the possibility of meeting a few important needs.

One thing, however, that I believe is clearly overblown by fans is the so-called "team morale" issue.

The players compartmentalize business and play.

Every guy who suits up knows the unspoken rules:

You don't talk about another guys money
You don't talk contract in the dressing room