If we could undo the Kolb trade right now

[Phrazbit]

Pretending we kept the receipt and could haggle with Philly on the condition of the "returned goods", how little would you fellow fans be willing to take back?

DRC and a 4th? A 6th? DRC by himself? A 2nd round pick on its own?

I would put the value of Kolb right now if the Cards tried to move him in the open market at (the very most) a single 3rd round pick.

 

[LarryStalling]

a six pack of beer and a bag of chips. Nope just a six pack will do.

 

[schutd]

I wouldnt trade him back for DRC. Its amazing to me that after 5 games people think they know exactly what kind of a QB was have, especially considering all the other positional deficencies.

Yet we watched DRC for 3 years, have one good season, and he's worthy of a return???

Fans are weird. In fact humans are weird.

 

[Garthshort]

DRC back? Who's next, Tim Hightower?

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I always said giving up the extra pick was foolish considering we were basically bidding against ourselves. It should have been a straight DRC for Kolb trade but Graves is an idiot.

 

[Duckjake]

I wouldnt trade him back for DRC. Its amazing to me that after 5 games people think they know exactly what kind of a QB was have, especially considering all the other positional deficencies.

Yet we watched DRC for 3 years, have one good season, and he's worthy of a return???

Fans are weird. In fact humans are weird.

Do you really believe that A.J. Jefferson and PP21 are better than DRC? Maybe in a couple of years. DRC lit it up after the bye week his rookie season after struggling before. I sure hope Peterson turns it on like that.

Of course it wouldn't matter if we got DRC back because we are now watching the SOC and no matter what they do it won't help. They are the most confused looking defense I've seen in years. They read but don't know how to react.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I wouldnt trade him back for DRC. Its amazing to me that after 5 games people think they know exactly what kind of a QB was have, especially considering all the other positional deficencies.

Yet we watched DRC for 3 years, have one good season, and he's worthy of a return???

one good season? sorry, but that's revisionist history. the guy was a playmaker the second he got into the starting lineup for us and then shut-down both Roddy White and Steve Smith in the first two playoff games of the Super Bowl run then made the Pro Bowl in his second year. He no doubt was pretty bad last season, but so was everyone else on that defense.

 

[Mulli]

one good season? sorry, but that's revisionist history. the guy was a playmaker the second he got into the starting lineup for us and then shut-down both Roddy White and Steve Smith in the first two playoff games of the Super Bowl run then made the Pro Bowl in his second year. He no doubt was pretty bad last season, but so was everyone else on that defense.

Roddy White had 11 catches for 84 yards and a td. Not shut down.

 

[Totally_Red]

Quarterback trades with Philadelphia usually end up one-sided. (see the A.J. Feely and Donavan McNabb 'deals.') That just goes with the territory. For a while there, I was afraid that Rod Graves and Ken Whisenhunt would give up a FIRST round pick and DRC.

That said, I think it's far too early to write off Kevin Kolb. Besides, by making that trade, however one-sided in Philly's favor, led directly to the Larry Fitzgerald contract extension. Even if Kolb never improves, having Larry on the roster for the rest of his career is a very good thing IMO.

 

[Totally_Red]

DRC back? Who's next, Tim Hightower?

Nope! Anquan Boldin!

Flacco completed 20 of 33 passes and Anquan Boldin had eight catches for 132 yards.

 

[oaken1]

Not happy with what the team is doing...but also not experiencing buyers remorse on Kevin Kolb...he is new, and right now he trusts only Fitz,...and a little bit of Heap.....as he learns to trust the other players his game will improve.

 

[Totally_Red]

Not happy with what the team is doing...but also not experiencing buyers remorse on Kevin Kolb...he is new, and right now he trusts only Fitz,...and a little bit of Heap.....as he learns to trust the other players his game will improve.

YUP! I don't like the Cardinals wide receivers beyond Fitz. They just aren't that good IMO. When opponents bracket and blanket Fitz, guys like Roberts & Doucet have got to make them pay. Boldin and Breaston with Kurt Warner as the trigger man were able to do that even in the red zone. Kolb with Roberts & Doucet have not.

 

[Russ Smith]

So we'd go with whom at QB? Skelton couldn't even hold the backup in an abbreviated camp and preseason.

Palmer isn't available. I guess we could have gone after Hasselbeck he's about the one guy that changed teams that has definitely been better so far.

 

[az jam]

I like the Kolb trade, he will be fine but we need to give him some decent OTs.

 

[D-Dogg]

way too soon.

 

[Linderbee]

Not happy with what the team is doing...but also not experiencing buyers remorse on Kevin Kolb...he is new, and right now he trusts only Fitz,...and a little bit of Heap.....as he learns to trust the other players his game will improve.

YUP! I don't like the Cardinals wide receivers beyond Fitz. They just aren't that good IMO. When opponents bracket and blanket Fitz, guys like Roberts & Doucet have got to make them pay. Boldin and Breaston with Kurt Warner as the trigger man were able to do that even in the red zone. Kolb with Roberts & Doucet have not.

For the season thus far:

Fitz: 27 receptions for 433 yards. Avg 16 ypc; 2 tds
Doucet: 21 receptions for 309 yards. Avg 14.7 ypc; 1 td

Kolb is doing just fine with Doucet.

 

[ARZCardinals]

too soon

if we can undo...lets do a bunch

Keep Kyle Vanden Bosch, Take AP instead of Levi Brown, Keep the pick and take Suggs instead of Pace and Johnson, Pick Brian Urlacher instead of Thomas Jones, Take Aaron Rodgers instead of Rolle

 

[Phrazbit]

You guys can blame the tackles... even though they cant protect Kolb when he is constantly leaving the pocket and/or holding onto the ball far too long, and you can blame the receivers besides Fitz, even though Kolb virtually never throws them the ball no matter how open they are. But Kolb hasnt shown ANYTHING to make me think he is even an average QB.

I dont see the skill or the potential. I see a guy with some of the worst pocket awareness I have ever seen. A guy who has terrible instincts, who lofts passes when he has to throw more than 10 yards up field and who never looks off the coverage.

He just looks like a typically crappy NFL QB. I see zero sign that there is some hidden potential. Even if the correctable stuff (leaving the pocket constantly) is corrected, he would have to improve a lot to even be average.

This was an idiotic trade on all levels. He is a predictably poor prospect, the Cards dramatically overpaid while there were ZERO other teams pursuing him, then they toss him an extension with so much money you'd swear he was a free agent with half the league trying to land him.

The entire thing makes me want to puke. The Cards have made some bad moves in the last few years, Boldin trade, Levi Brown, franchising Dansby twice, but I dont think any of those moves have the long term damage that this Kolb trade will.

He isnt good, there is no reason to think he will become good, and they invested so much into getting him that you can guarantee they will wait at least 2-3 years before attempting to correct the mistake.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I wouldn't have done it in the first place. You don't do a move like that unless it makes you win the division. The Cards could have done as good as they are doing now with Skelton and kept DRC and had a legit shot at a QBOF in the draft and quite possibly Andrew Luck. Now they can't take a QBOF in the draft, lost DRC and a 2nd round pick. That trade will set the Cardinals back AT LEAST two more seasons after this one.

 

[kerouac9]

So we'd go with whom at QB? Skelton couldn't even hold the backup in an abbreviated camp and preseason.

Palmer isn't available. I guess we could have gone after Hasselbeck he's about the one guy that changed teams that has definitely been better so far.

Andy Dalton. Ryan Williams has worked wonders for this offense. Blaine Gabbert. Gabbert looks more poised than Kolb does playing against the Steelers. Ryan Mallett. Richard Bartel. Tavaris Jackson. What's the difference? 5-11 with 'em, 5-11 without 'em. Larry Fitzgerald doesn't make this a Super Bowl team any more than Andre Johnson makes the Texans a playoff team or Calvin Johnson with the Lions.

Greg McElroy couldn't look as bad as Kevin Kolb is looking right now. Unfortunately, this coaching staff fell in love with one particular player and didn't bother to do a cost-benefit analysis of what they could have.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Sending him back to Philly is a nice dream but if I were going to dream, I'd aim a little higher. I'd trade him to Oakland for a 1st and a 3rd and while I was at it, I'd find a high value trade for Fitz also. We'd be horrible but at least we'd have a little hope for the future.

Steve

 

[john h]

Pretending we kept the receipt and could haggle with Philly on the condition of the "returned goods", how little would you fellow fans be willing to take back?

DRC and a 4th? A 6th? DRC by himself? A 2nd round pick on its own?

I would put the value of Kolb right now if the Cards tried to move him in the open market at (the very most) a single 3rd round pick.

I did not like the deal before we made it so you know my answer. I wanted the Seattle QB who had been there and done that. I think I read he did not want to come to the Cards. We were apparently in Kolb's corner from day one and bought into all the hype his team put out. I always asked if he were that good then why would you trade him. The answer to that his simple. A good starter and next years 2nd round pick made it a deal you could not refuse. I wonder if there were anyone in the organization who did not like the deal before it was made?

 

[john h]

I wouldnt trade him back for DRC. Its amazing to me that after 5 games people think they know exactly what kind of a QB was have, especially considering all the other positional deficencies.

Yet we watched DRC for 3 years, have one good season, and he's worthy of a return???

Fans are weird. In fact humans are weird.

There is absolutely no one even remotely as important to a team as a QB. You can win with a marginal guy at any other position other than at QB. A marginal or bad QB and you can forget about making the playoffs much less going to a Superbowl. A QB is to a team what an engine is to an automobile. The last time we went to a superbowl and won two division playoffs in a row was when we had an all pro QB. After he left we were less than an average team immediately. Kolb to this point is a failure if you count a 1-4 record as a failure. I do. Let us see what his record is at the end of the year and then make your judgement. So far he has shown few signs of being a future QB in that he has not been accurate and quick to run out of the pocket on a team designed for a pocket passer. We can only hope that he will develop but so far he has been going backwards.

 

[john h]

Do you really believe that A.J. Jefferson and PP21 are better than DRC? Maybe in a couple of years. DRC lit it up after the bye week his rookie season after struggling before. I sure hope Peterson turns it on like that.

Of course it wouldn't matter if we got DRC back because we are now watching the SOC and no matter what they do it won't help. They are the most confused looking defense I've seen in years. They read but don't know how to react.

Teams are consistently picking on Jefferson and will continue to do so until he demonstrates he can cover. He is being beating not just by a yard or so but often by 5-10 yards. I wonder why we do not try someone else he has been so bad. Maybe some of this is our defensive scheme or maybe a lack of a pass rush but what ever it is team are still throwing his way. This shows who they view as the weakest link.

 

[john h]

Quarterback trades with Philadelphia usually end up one-sided. (see the A.J. Feely and Donavan McNabb 'deals.') That just goes with the territory. For a while there, I was afraid that Rod Graves and Ken Whisenhunt would give up a FIRST round pick and DRC.

That said, I think it's far too early to write off Kevin Kolb. Besides, by making that trade, however one-sided in Philly's favor, led directly to the Larry Fitzgerald contract extension. Even if Kolb never improves, having Larry on the roster for the rest of his career is a very good thing IMO.

I love Larry but I do not care who is on the team if we cannot win. I think we all watch Cardinal football in hopes of winning. Winning is the bottom line and on that we will be judged not by the number of all stars or nice guys we have on the team.