If you win your divison "HOW CANYOU NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS?"

[Bobcat]

If you win your divison "HOW CANYOU NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS?"

This questionis very proplexing to me. If you win your divison "HOW CAN YOU NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS?" You do in major league Baseball, NBA, NHL. Then why isn't it he same for the NFL...???
If we beat the 49er's we would have the best NFC Division Record @ 4-2. SF @ 3-3, Rams @ 3-3, and Seahawks @ 3-3, then why shouldn't we go to the playoff...???

Can anyone please explain...??????????

BOBCAT

 

[green machine]

Because that is not winning the division. You win the division by having the best record out of every team in the division. In any other sport if you win all your division games but lose the rest of them I doubt you'd make the playoffs.

 

[CardinalChris]

That's the best record against teams within the division, but not the best record in the division

 

[KingofCards]

If you win your divison "HOW CANYOU NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS?"

This questionis very proplexing to me. If you win your divison "HOW CAN YOU NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS?" You do in major league Baseball, NBA, NHL. Then why isn't it he same for the NFL...???
If we beat the 49er's we would have the best NFC Division Record @ 4-2. SF @ 3-3, Rams @ 3-3, and Seahawks @ 3-3, then why shouldn't we go to the playoff...???

Can anyone please explain...??????????

BOBCAT

WE need a rule change!!!!!!

 

[Bobcat]

Then why have a division...??? In 1973 the Mets had an 81 and 81 record in its division in the NLE, other team in the NLC had better records but the Mets went o to the Playoffs then to the world series. You make the playoffs by have the bet record against your own division That is why the NFL needs to add a least 2 more teams to the playoff run. Because now a Division n the NFL i really meaning less. Just have the old way of doing things. AFC v. h NFC. NOW that really sucks doesn't it.

BOBCAT

 

[KingofCards]

Then why have a division...??? In 1973 the Mets had an 81 and 81 record in its division in the NLE, other team in the NLC had better records but the Mets went o to the Playoffs then to the world series. You make the playoffs by have the bet record against your own division That is why the NFL needs to add a least 2 more teams to the playoff run. Because now a Division n the NFL i really meaning less. Just have the old way of doing things. AFC v. h NFC. NOW that really sucks doesn't it.

BOBCAT

Oh you were serious.
It is the first tie-breaker I believe. Making the division games the only thing that matter in the regular season would make all the non-division games meaningless.

Baseball is the same way btw, division record is only a tiebreaker in all of the sports except the Conference Championships in NCAA football.

How many division games did the 1973 Mets play anyway? 81-81 would mean all 162 of their games would be in their division.

 

[Bobcat]

WE need a rule change!!!!!!

Yes we do require one...!!! Some of you gys just don't get it...!!! And that s just to bad.

So let us go next year 10-6, while loosing all of our divion games, but the 49ner's go 8-8 win all of the division games, an 1 non conference game and win one other conference game. who goes to the Playoffs then...???

Us at 10-6 or them at 8-8...!!! Now try to get out of this...!!!

BOBCAT

 

[football karma]

Yes we do require one...!!! Some of you gys just don't get it...!!! And that s just to bad.

So let us go next year 10-6, while loosing all of our divion games, but the 49ner's go 8-8 win all of the division games, an 1 non conference game and win one other conference game. who goes to the Playoffs then...???

Us at 10-6 or them at 8-8...!!! Now try to get out of this...!!!

BOBCAT

uh, the Cards

 

[Bobcat]

uh, the Cards

But others on this thread would say that the 49ner's would go to the playoffs. See we would only have See we would have one only 5 NFC conference games vs 7 for the 49ner's. and according to others on this thread the nine's would go because they had a better NFC conference record then us. Now that is my point, why have divisions if winning the division isn't the first prematures to going to the playoffs.


BOBCAT

 

[KingofCards]

Yes we do require one...!!! Some of you gys just don't get it...!!! And that s just to bad.

So let us go next year 10-6, while loosing all of our divion games, but the 49ner's go 8-8 win all of the division games, an 1 non conference game and win one other conference game. who goes to the Playoffs then...???

Us at 10-6 or them at 8-8...!!! Now try to get out of this...!!!

BOBCAT

We would. You are confused.

 

[KingofCards]

But others on this thread would say that the 49ner's would go to the playoffs.
BOBCAT

Are you counting yourself when you say "others"?

Because you are the only one that would say that on this thread.

 

[Bobcat]

Are you counting yourself when you say "others"?

Because you are the only one that would say that on this thread.

No I was tring to be civil, but i really was meaning you, you; well lt us leave it at that.

It seemsthat you have now imagination sounds like soeone else we all know and @#$ just "STAY THE COURSE" Have no imagination, just "STAY THE COURSE...!!!"

BOBCAT

 

[KingofCards]

No I was tring to be civil, but i really was meaning you, you; well lt us leave it at that.

It seemsthat you have now imagination sounds like soeone else we all know and @#$ just "STAY THE COURSE" Have no imagination, just "STAY THE COURSE...!!!"

BOBCAT

But, I understand how the playoffs team are determined in both baseball and the NFL.

I was never agreeing with you on this thread.

 

[Bobcat]

But, I understand how the playoffs team are determined in both baseball and the NFL.

I was never agreeing with you on this thread.

But it does give fruit for thought, doesn't IT...???

BOBCAT

 

[KingofCards]

But it does give fruit for thought, doesn't IT...???

BOBCAT

No!

You are wrong. The division record DOES NOT DETERMINE THE WINNER OF THE DIVISION, THE OVERALL RECORD DOES. EVEN IN BASEBALL, EVEN IN 1973, IT DOES NOT AND DID NOT DETERMINE THE WINNER OF THE DIVISION.

 

[KingofCards]

The six postseason participants from each conference will now be seeded as follows:
1. The division champion with the best record.
2. The division champion with the second-best record.
3. The division champion with the third-best record.
4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
5. The Wild Card club with the best record.
6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.

The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.

NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.
TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined. Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers

 

[Bobcat]

The six postseason participants from each conference will now be seeded as follows:
1. The division champion with the best record.
2. The division champion with the second-best record.
3. The division champion with the third-best record.
4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
5. The Wild Card club with the best record.
6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.

The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.

NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.
TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined. Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakers

Good post just what was looking for. Thank you; but is it really fair to the true Division winner...??? Now that is the real question.

BOBCAT

 

[green machine]

Good post just what was looking for. Thank you; but is it really fair to the true Division winner...??? Now that is the real question.

BOBCAT

Yes, because the teams in the division play essentially the same schedule.

 

[Ohio Cards Fan]

Yes we do require one...!!! Some of you gys just don't get it...!!! And that s just to bad.

BOBCAT

I fear you are preaching to a deaf choir. Even if we are undefeated within our division, that does not automatically translate into automatic playoff contention. Remember, within a division, each team has 14 games in common. Just because a team in a division is 4-2 while the rest go 3-3, that doesn't mean the 4-2 team should automatically be a playoff team.

The fact of the matter is that each team within a division plays a common 14 game schedule (not factoring in home field), and that record should dictate who is in and who is out! The NFL is fickle, and injuries are common. The existing format seems to work, and just because the Cards might have the best record in NFC West only games, that does not mean they are deserving of a playoff spot!!!

 

[D-Dogg]

No I was tring to be civil, but i really was meaning you, you; well lt us leave it at that.

It seemsthat you have now imagination sounds like soeone else we all know and @#$ just "STAY THE COURSE" Have no imagination, just "STAY THE COURSE...!!!"

BOBCAT

Ok, just stop for God's sake, stop trying to bring politics into this football board. This is about the tenth time I've seen you try to do this.

Plus, you are making no damn sense on this thread. I hope you don't get the brown bottle flu tomorrow.

 

[CorporalCardinal]

you know, I've understood the playoff format since I first started watching sports of any kind.....but this thread made me wonder if I had lost my mind. THe only postseason system that is screwed up is college football.

 

[PJ1]

WOW...this thread is almost scary it is so ridiculous.

 

[Scot1]

In college basketball, I think that winning the conference also means winning the most games against other conference members, and 'guaranteed' places in the NCAA go to the conference winner (unless, of course, the conference has a play-off (as almost all do now), in which case things are doubly screwed up).

That being said, green machine's point about similarity of schedules, and the low number of 'conference' games compared to other games, would seem to justify making total wins the key stat.

If you think this topic is dumb, try googling 'BCS'.

Yuh learns thu rules, then chooses up n plays thu games.