Impressive Quarter back

[Pariah]

What mistake are you referring to?

The perceived mistake by the Seahawks' drafting of Wilson.

 

[Mulli]

The perceived mistake by the Seahawks' drafting of Wilson.

I am more delighted with their signing of the guy from GB.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

The perceived mistake by the Seahawks' drafting of Wilson.

The mistake they made was in the first round

 

[ryanshaug]

No, thank you. I've stated my position and my reasoning. I don't need to convince anyone else. I think what's going on here is a quick dismissal of a rival's young key player because it makes us feel better to think they've made a mistake. I just don't see it like that--it's waaaay too early to make that call.

You can say that with anything at this point though. It's just an opinion. It's not based on just the first game though...it's based on these factors:

(1) He's undersized. Can that be overcome? Sure, see Drew Brees. But not everyone does it.

(2) His college career was average to above average. Does college always matter? Again, no, but it should be a factor and it lets me base my opinion on more than just the first game.

(3) There are 32 starting QB spots in the NFL. I personally don't see anything from him that makes him stand out and say "he's going to be a star." Unless you are a star in the NFL at the QB position, your job isn't safe.

I stand behind my prediction he will be a career backup. He will have a decent career. I'm personally not worried about the Cardinals facing him for the next 15+ years though - its not like they rolled Griffin III, Newton, or Luck out there on us...

 

[kerouac9]

You can say that with anything at this point though. It's just an opinion. It's not based on just the first game though...it's based on these factors:

(1) He's undersized. Can that be overcome? Sure, see Drew Brees. But not everyone does it.

(2) His college career was average to above average. Does college always matter? Again, no, but it should be a factor and it lets me base my opinion on more than just the first game.

(3) There are 32 starting QB spots in the NFL. I personally don't see anything from him that makes him stand out and say "he's going to be a star." Unless you are a star in the NFL at the QB position, your job isn't safe.

I stand behind my prediction he will be a career backup. He will have a decent career. I'm personally not worried about the Cardinals facing him for the next 15+ years though - its not like they rolled Griffin III, Newton, or Luck out there on us...

Aren't these two mutually exclusive, from a fan's point of view? I'm sure that if Wilson stays in the league for a decade and gets 50 starts over that time, him and his family will view that as a success, especially because he's going to have a great broadcasting career following that. Do you consider Seneca Wallace as having a "decent career"? Byron Leftwich? Chris Redman? A.J. Feely?

But when I think from my perspective about a "decent career," I end up thinking of guys like Jake Plummer, Matt Hasselback (although I'm sure people will disagree with me and say that Matt had a great career), David Garrard, etc.

 

[Mulli]

Aren't these two mutually exclusive, from a fan's point of view? I'm sure that if Wilson stays in the league for a decade and gets 50 starts over that time, him and his family will view that as a success, especially because he's going to have a great broadcasting career following that. Do you consider Seneca Wallace as having a "decent career"? Byron Leftwich? Chris Redman? A.J. Feely?

But when I think from my perspective about a "decent career," I end up thinking of guys like Jake Plummer, Matt Hasselback (although I'm sure people will disagree with me and say that Matt had a great career), David Garrard, etc.

Wouldn't that be relative? As for Seneca Wallace lasting in the league this long, yes, that is a decent career as a career backup.

Matt Leinart, however, as a career backup would not be, IMO.

Leftwich was the 7th pick overall, right? Not a decent career. Redman and Feely probably decent.

Man, is there nothing else to discuss?

 

[kerouac9]

Wouldn't that be relative? As for Seneca Wallace lasting in the league this long, yes, that is a decent career as a career backup.

Matt Leinart, however, as a career backup would not be, IMO.

Leftwich was the 7th pick overall, right? Not a decent career. Redman and Feely probably decent.

Man, is there nothing else to discuss?

#splittinghairs #dormroomdiscussions

Relative to what? Draft position? Expectations when their season began? Seneca Wallace was drafted in the 4th round, Wilson in the 3rd. Based on that, 10-12 years in the league and 45-60 starts scattered across them seems like a good career.

But, Russell Wilson was the opening-day starter for an NFL team. Relative to that, the expectation should maybe 8-12 years, 100+ starts, and at least three Pro Bowls, right?

I'm disappointed by Matt Leinart's career, but he's been in the league for 7 years, probably doesn't have to work a real job if he doesn't want to, and can do Dancing with the Stars or The Bachelor whenever he wants. Jay Cutler just had a kid with his sloppy seconds. That's a pretty decent career.

 

[Chopper0080]

From what I saw, Wilson has the skill to stick in this league. However, in the end, it will all come down to if he can adjust to the league's adjustments to him. Plenty of young players have come into the league, been successful, and then fall off the face of the planet because they can't adjust to how teams have adjusted to them.

 

[kerouac9]

Fun Stuff From Football Outsiders on Russell Wilson

I'm going to start looking for this thread every Monday or Tuesday:

www.footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2012/audibles-line-week-1

You'll have to scroll down a little bit, but it's worth reading everything:

Ben Muth: I just want to take this time to distance myself from the Russell Wilson bandwagon. He's got a whiff of Rick Mirer to him.

Aaron Schatz: In what way?

Ben Muth: He's a mobile guy, who played on a real good college team. I've only seen him a little bit, but when he's moving, he's looking to just get away, not to make plays down the field. Plus, they both got drafted by the Seahawks.

Mirer comparison may not be the best, and admittedly it is 80 percent because of the team, but Wilson is a guy whose college coach thought Mike Glennon was close enough in skill level that he could make a point about dedication to his team. Maybe (probably) O'Brien is an egomaniac, but most coaches would sell their children for three extra wins. O'Brien didnt think Wilson was worth that, and an NFL starter is worth three wins in college.

Then, every team in the league passed on him twice. People want to point to height, but Drew Brees was picked 43 spots ahead of him 10 years ago, when size seemed to be more coveted. Maybe both his college coach and every NFL front office (but one) is wrong, but I think people need to calm down on the guy.

Tom Gower: For the record, I'm with Ben in wanting to distance myself somewhat from the Wilson hype train. I think he can be successful for the first few weeks of the year, then will really have to be managed and manipulated. If he's good in Week 13, talk to me again. (Disclosure: not watching that or any other game right now.)

Aaron Schatz: I would like to both agree and disagree with both of you. I'm all aboard the Wilson hype trade if we're talking about Week 13 of 2013. I know rookie quarterbacks have played better in the last few years than in the history of the NFL before that, but they still are going to generally struggle and there is still a learning curve. As I said on a couple radio interviews this week, what's the hardest part of being a rookie in the NFL? Facing complex NFL defenses that are designed to beat your weaknesses. What's the thing that rookies don't have to face in the preseason? Complex NFL defenses designed to beat their weaknesses.

Rivers McCown: I will stay on the Wilson hype train as long as the Wilson hype train is not "the Seahawks are winning the Super Bowl this year." Sorry, Bill Simmons.

I think he can be a productive quarterback this year as long as he is used correctly. I don't think he's going to be RGIII or Andrew Luck right away, and I don't think he's going to be Drew Brees in the long run. But, I could see him maxing out as a upper-class QB ala Ben Roethlisberger or Jay Cutler. Someone of that relative production.

(Also, this Arizona defense has a chance to be really friggin good.)

BTW, Ben Muth (formerly a Stanford OL) is a Cardinals fan.

 

[Mulli]

Ben Muth is the smartest man alive!

 

[Matt L]

I think we all know Russell Wilson's apex:

 

[Mulli]

Wilson is far from impressive. Matt Flynn is better fit for the team.

 

[Dr. Jones]

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[MigratingOsprey]

Heh ... I actually owned that when it came out ....... I was maybe a touch too young and had to hide it from my mom (who apparently frowns upon her not quite teenage son listening to songs that reference nancy reagan eating corn on the cob - or something like that)

 

[john h]

Kolb was very impressive in the last drive. But Russell Wilson is for real. If he continues to play as he did today, he will be a real star in the NFL. He was calm, cool and collected and accurate with most of his passes.

Wilson certainly has looked good. Especially for a rookie. Unfortunately being 5'!0" will be his undoing. That is just to small for an NFL QB. He cannot see well over defenses or guys like Campbell who is 6'8" with long arms who can jump out of the gym. He will have problems like Mike Vick and will be subject to injury. A guy his size cannot take the pounding a Big Ben or Cam Newton can take. He seems like a very nice intelligent young man but the cards are stacked against him. I will be surprised if he makes it through the season uninjured. Sooner or later some big linebacker is going to blindside him and 185 lbs vs 265 lbs does not even out. Adding to this he runs a lot like Vick which exposes him to more hits. Seattle should have kept their old QB at least for a backup but he probably did not want to play second fiddle to anyone.

 

[Mulli]

Wilson certainly has looked good. Especially for a rookie. Unfortunately being 5'!0" will be his undoing. That is just to small for an NFL QB. He cannot see well over defenses or guys like Campbell who is 6'8" with long arms who can jump out of the gym. He will have problems like Mike Vick and will be subject to injury. A guy his size cannot take the pounding a Big Ben or Cam Newton can take. He seems like a very nice intelligent young man but the cards are stacked against him. I will be surprised if he makes it through the season uninjured. Sooner or later some big linebacker is going to blindside him and 185 lbs vs 265 lbs does not even out. Adding to this he runs a lot like Vick which exposes him to more hits. Seattle should have kept their old QB at least for a backup but he probably did not want to play second fiddle to anyone.

He did not look good vs. Green Bay.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When the first and best thing they talk about, when it comes to QB play, are his intangibles, that's a huge red flag for me.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

I love it when he dresses up as Geraldine.

 

[Mulli]

Please please let Wilson still be the QB next time Cards play them

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Please please let Wilson still be the QB next time Cards play them

I hope you're right. I just can't see how Petey can stick with him. They may actually be a legit team if Flynn was the QB and playing up to expectations. Either Flynn is really bad or Carroll is really stubborn and wants to "show" the NFL he can win with a 5'8 QB.

 

[52brandon]

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[Mulli]

I hope you're right. I just can't see how Petey can stick with him. They may actually be a legit team if Flynn was the QB and playing up to expectations. Either Flynn is really bad or Carroll is really stubborn and wants to "show" the NFL he can win with a 5'8 QB.

Carroll is still a below .500 NFL coach. Their next coach will get a solid defense.

 

[Mulli]

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Awesome.

 

[Mulli]

Wilson is far from impressive. Matt Flynn is better fit for the team.

Hah!

 

[schutd]

Ah, the ole self-depricating-old-thread-dredge-to-keep-board-members-from-calling-me-out tactic.

Well done.