In a nutshell:

[82CardsGrad]

- Vikes came into the game with a mere 6 sacks... They had 6 today.

- 'Ol Man Favre threw for 450 yards, completing 77% of his passes!!!

- Our RB's went 18 carries for 37 yards!!

- Our offense went 3 for 13 on 3rd down conversions...

- And worst of all, our defense crumbled once again - this time when it mattered most. With 4:39 left in the game, the defense only had to protect a 24-10 lead!! Not asking too much, right? Apparently so...

We simply lack quality coaching (Whiz could be the right HC, but most definitely NOT an OC. And Davis needs to go, period!).
We lack enough quality players... No QB. No O-line (6 sacks and how many times did Timmy or LSH have to make a juke immediately after taking the handoff from DA??). No TE. Marginal (I think) RB's. No d-line. No LBers, marginal corners and a SS who is nothing more than a small WILB... Hell, ever Graham sucked today...

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Here, at least yahoo! sports can supply a laugh(not really that funny, but hey anything will suffice after the return of the 2005 Cardinals).

 

[Buckybird]

- Vikes came into the game with a mere 6 sacks... They had 6 today.

- 'Ol Man Favre threw for 450 yards, completing 77% of his passes!!!

- Our RB's went 18 carries for 37 yards!!

- Our offense went 3 for 13 on 3rd down conversions...

- And worst of all, our defense crumbled once again - this time when it mattered most. With 4:39 left in the game, the defense only had to protect a 24-10 lead!! Not asking too much, right? Apparently so...

We simply lack quality coaching (Whiz could be the right HC, but most definitely NOT an OC. And Davis needs to go, period!).
We lack enough quality players... No QB. No O-line (6 sacks and how many times did Timmy or LSH have to make a juke immediately after taking the handoff from DA??). No TE. Marginal (I think) RB's. No d-line. No LBers, marginal corners and a SS who is nothing more than a small WILB... Hell, ever Graham sucked today...

But wait we still have a shot in the NFC West

I agree 82, this team isn't good & isn't going anywhere!!! Reality has yet to set in with some of the knuckleheads on our beloved board. Onto next year...if there is one.

 

[Jersey Girl]

We love making average teams look awesome.

 

[Goldfield]

I agree.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The slant that they kept running on Toler was beyond frustrating.

 

[azsouthendzone]

When does the free pass expire? Everything you have mentioned Whiz has touched..

 

[82CardsGrad]

When does the free pass expire? Everything you have mentioned Whiz has touched..

Next season... as I've said all along. Any coach that has never had a losing season in his first 3 years as a head coach, who has won back to back division titles and who came within 2 mins of winning a Super Bowl gets a one year mulligan from me. Again, with all of the crap this team endured in terms of talent and leadership loss this offseason, to be 3 & 5 and one game out of first place is ok with me... frustrating for sure when you realize that with better QB play, we probably could've been 5 & 3, if not better... But realistically, in the NFL, teams just don't lose the amount of talent we lost, while entering the season with DA and Max Hall as their QB's with Stephen Williams and Max Komar starting at WR, and somehow do well...
We can question Whiz and his decisions all day long... however, this season is what it is, a transitional, rebuilding year. What the Cards make of a rebuilding season is yet to be seen. But if we don't make the post season in a rebuilding season, would that be unusual?? How many other NFL teams have gone on to success and post-season play during a rebuilding season??

It's all about the upcoming offseason and 2011 for me. If Whiz can't right the ship and bring this team back to the leadership position in the NFC West next year, well - I will then be much more concerned about Whiz's coaching ability... Until then, we're on a roller coaster this year... enjoy the ride!

 

[JC_AZ]

We can question Whiz and his decisions all day long... however, this season is what it is, a transitional, rebuilding year. What the Cards make of a rebuilding season is yet to be seen. But if we don't make the post season in a rebuilding season, would that be unusual?? How many other NFL teams have gone on to success and post-season play during a rebuilding season??

It's all about the upcoming offseason and 2011 for me. If Whiz can't right the ship and bring this team back to the leadership position in the NFC West next year, well - I will then be much more concerned about Whiz's coaching ability... Until then, we're on a roller coaster this year... enjoy the ride! [/quote]

If the expectation is nothing more than rebuilding, maybe since DA and Max have proven not the QBOF at this point, then find out if Skelton is worth keeping or if we need a complete sweep of the roster QBs.
The Line has failed consistently, why no changes? "Continuity" seems to be a lame argument when we have the worst running game in the league with 2 pretty decent RB's... HOF Grimm has not coached any up so he needs to go too
Davis seems to ALWAYS make the wrong calls to close out a game and the defensive line play is very inconsistent, along with the failure to adjust when the opposing team finds something that works against us... good news is maybe Sing-Sing will be available for DC job next year

 

[kerouac9]

We can question Whiz and his decisions all day long... however, this season is what it is, a transitional, rebuilding year. What the Cards make of a rebuilding season is yet to be seen. But if we don't make the post season in a rebuilding season, would that be unusual?? How many other NFL teams have gone on to success and post-season play during a rebuilding season??

It's all about the upcoming offseason and 2011 for me. If Whiz can't right the ship and bring this team back to the leadership position in the NFC West next year, well - I will then be much more concerned about Whiz's coaching ability... Until then, we're on a roller coaster this year... enjoy the ride!

If the expectation is nothing more than rebuilding, maybe since DA and Max have proven not the QBOF at this point, then find out if Skelton is worth keeping or if we need a complete sweep of the roster QBs.
The Line has failed consistently, why no changes? "Continuity" seems to be a lame argument when we have the worst running game in the league with 2 pretty decent RB's... HOF Grimm has not coached any up so he needs to go too
Davis seems to ALWAYS make the wrong calls to close out a game and the defensive line play is very inconsistent, along with the failure to adjust when the opposing team finds something that works against us... good news is maybe Sing-Sing will be available for DC job next year[/QUOTE]

Rebuilding toward what, though, TJ? We don't have a quarterback; that's not going to change. We have a run-blocking OL where at least one component is going to be replaced this offseason (Faneca, and maybe Lutui and Sendlein, as well). We have (I think) three quality running backs, but we're passing 65% of the time.

I think that we're rebuilding on defense, and I think we're making progress. We have a core of veterans and some good young talent around them, although we lack any player that can get pressure on the opposing quarterback consistently, and the guy we were supposed to be developing was released at the end of training camp. But the offense is a mess, and they're not getting better. A rebuilding season implies that there's hope for the next year; Detroit went through a rebuilding season last year. St. Louis is going through a rebuilding season this year.

If we end up 8-8 and with the 14th pick in the draft, we're not going to get better on offense. Unless the coaching staff displays that they have a clue about what kind of offense we want to run, this will just be a wasted year. If we come in next year with Breaston gone but McNabb starting, what would we have built?

I'd take my lumps with a rookie quarterback if I actually thought that he'd be good. But Max Hall isn't good and hasn't shown any signs that he can be. So we're looking at (maybe) a scorched earth season this year (8-8 with one of the easiest schedules in the league), and then maybe a rebuilding season next year.

Kind of like what Tampa Bay had last year. They cleared out a lot of their roster and started Josh Freeman before a lot of people thought he would be ready. But the year before that (2008), they ended up 9-7 and out of the playoff picture.

 

[Buckybird]

If the expectation is nothing more than rebuilding, maybe since DA and Max have proven not the QBOF at this point, then find out if Skelton is worth keeping or if we need a complete sweep of the roster QBs.
The Line has failed consistently, why no changes? "Continuity" seems to be a lame argument when we have the worst running game in the league with 2 pretty decent RB's... HOF Grimm has not coached any up so he needs to go too
Davis seems to ALWAYS make the wrong calls to close out a game and the defensive line play is very inconsistent, along with the failure to adjust when the opposing team finds something that works against us... good news is maybe Sing-Sing will be available for DC job next year

Rebuilding toward what, though, TJ? We don't have a quarterback; that's not going to change. We have a run-blocking OL where at least one component is going to be replaced this offseason (Faneca, and maybe Lutui and Sendlein, as well). We have (I think) three quality running backs, but we're passing 65% of the time.

I think that we're rebuilding on defense, and I think we're making progress. We have a core of veterans and some good young talent around them, although we lack any player that can get pressure on the opposing quarterback consistently, and the guy we were supposed to be developing was released at the end of training camp. But the offense is a mess, and they're not getting better. A rebuilding season implies that there's hope for the next year; Detroit went through a rebuilding season last year. St. Louis is going through a rebuilding season this year.

If we end up 8-8 and with the 14th pick in the draft, we're not going to get better on offense. Unless the coaching staff displays that they have a clue about what kind of offense we want to run, this will just be a wasted year. If we come in next year with Breaston gone but McNabb starting, what would we have built?

I'd take my lumps with a rookie quarterback if I actually thought that he'd be good. But Max Hall isn't good and hasn't shown any signs that he can be. So we're looking at (maybe) a scorched earth season this year (8-8 with one of the easiest schedules in the league), and then maybe a rebuilding season next year.

Kind of like what Tampa Bay had last year. They cleared out a lot of their roster and started Josh Freeman before a lot of people thought he would be ready. But the year before that (2008), they ended up 9-7 and out of the playoff picture.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100% K9. This team isn't good enough on both sides of the ball.

The 3 most important positions on an NFL team:

1) QB- we stink
2) OT-average on a great day
3) Edge rushers-we have a inconsistant old vet & nothing behind him that can be counted on.

I'm with yiu K9 on starting Skelton. When will we get to see what he has? The last 2 games? Next year? Find out before the draft if the kid has any talent in his arm ASAP!!!

 

[blindseyed]

A true nutshell is simple and in simple terms...we SUCK

 

[kerouac9]

I agree 100% K9. This team isn't good enough on both sides of the ball.

The 3 most important positions on an NFL team:

1) QB- we stink
2) OT-average on a great day
3) Edge rushers-we have a inconsistant old vet & nothing behind him that can be counted on.

I'm with yiu K9 on starting Skelton. When will we get to see what he has? The last 2 games? Next year? Find out before the draft if the kid has any talent in his arm ASAP!!!

Don't put words in my mouth. I don't believe in Skelton; I don't think he's going to help us win in the long term or the short term. There's a reason that he didn't play in the preseason after the first game. Dude's from the Patriot League; if he had game, he would have played at a real school. Maybe in a few years he can be a #2 QB, but he's nowhere close right now.

I think we have to get a pass rusher and a quarterback in the first two rounds. Marcus McNeill is off the market for next year's free agency, but I'd like to give Jared Gaither a look. I understand that we like Brandon Keith, but if we have 3 starting-caliber OTs in Keith, Brown, and Gaither, that gives us a lot of flexibility.

If the draft were held today, we'd have the 10th overall pick. Can we get Robert Quinn that far down? Do we roll the dice with Ryan Mallett AND Akeem Ayers in the first two rounds? Will Ryan Kerrigan (OLB, Purdue) fall to the second?

 

[Catfish]

Next season... as I've said all along. Any coach that has never had a losing season in his first 3 years as a head coach, who has won back to back division titles and who came within 2 mins of winning a Super Bowl gets a one year mulligan from me. (Quote):

That might be justified, IF Whizenhunt wasn't the very reason that we are in this mess to begin with. You are glossing over the fact that it was Whiz' decision to throw away all the hard planning by the front office to bring in those players REASONABLY available to replace what we lost during the off season-----without even giving that plan a chance to work.

You are giving a mulligan to a guy, who immediately after receiving a new contract extension, blew up all the planning and hard work done to maximize our personnel and the market availability, so that he could stroke his ego by believing that he could fix everything with his play-calling and by coaching up a strong armed SKUD!!!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

The slant that they kept running on Toler was beyond frustrating.

I think Mitch is right there though I said it yesterday that's not all Toler's fault there is supposed to be help in the middle there but Favre kept fooling the LB and or Safety looking them off or pump faking. Toler played it the same way all day stay outside, he HAD to be doing that because there's supposed to be inside help, it was just never there.

I don't think either Hayes or Lenon are fast enough to be there and Wilson was either pretending to cover the TE or pretending to blitz.

 

[Russ Smith]

If the draft were held today, we'd have the 10th overall pick. Can we get Robert Quinn that far down? Do we roll the dice with Ryan Mallett AND Akeem Ayers in the first two rounds? Will Ryan Kerrigan (OLB, Purdue) fall to the second?

No on Mallett, great arm, just not very good IMHO. He actually reminds me quite a bit of DA.

Said it before, Akeem Ayers is an athletic freak of nature but so far he's really not the pass rusher he should be. I see no reason why he'd go back to UCLA he is either uncoachable or not very well coached.

He has the talent to be a great pass rusher but he's never had more than 4 sacks in a season(he has 4 now so he'll probably top it this year. The remarkable stat on Ayers is given the way they use him, he has 6 career interceptions.

I still say if he put his mind to it he'd be an all pro TE in a few years, he really is an athletic freak. He's a redshirt junior and pretty much everyone expects him to leave.

 

[Buckybird]

No on Mallett, great arm, just not very good IMHO. He actually reminds me quite a bit of DA.

Said it before, Akeem Ayers is an athletic freak of nature but so far he's really not the pass rusher he should be. I see no reason why he'd go back to UCLA he is either uncoachable or not very well coached.

He has the talent to be a great pass rusher but he's never had more than 4 sacks in a season(he has 4 now so he'll probably top it this year. The remarkable stat on Ayers is given the way they use him, he has 6 career interceptions.

I still say if he put his mind to it he'd be an all pro TE in a few years, he really is an athletic freak. He's a redshirt junior and pretty much everyone expects him to leave.

Ayers reminds me of a young, uncoached Jamir Miller. The guys is a freak but could an incredible 3-4 OLB within 2-3 years IMO. He sold me in the Texas-UCLA game this year where he was in the QB's face nearly every play.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Next season... as I've said all along. Any coach that has never had a losing season in his first 3 years as a head coach, who has won back to back division titles and who came within 2 mins of winning a Super Bowl gets a one year mulligan from me. (Quote):

That might be justified, IF Whizenhunt wasn't the very reason that we are in this mess to begin with. You are glossing over the fact that it was Whiz' decision to throw away all the hard planning by the front office to bring in those players REASONABLY available to replace what we lost during the off season-----without even giving that plan a chance to work.

You are giving a mulligan to a guy, who immediately after receiving a new contract extension, blew up all the planning and hard work done to maximize our personnel and the market availability, so that he could stroke his ego by believing that he could fix everything with his play-calling and by coaching up a strong armed SKUD!!!!!

+1

 

[Russ Smith]

Ayers reminds me of a young, uncoached Jamir Miller. The guys is a freak but could an incredible 3-4 OLB within 2-3 years IMO. He sold me in the Texas-UCLA game this year where he was in the QB's face nearly every play.

He's one of those guys where the combine and workouts will determine if he's a first round pick or a third. If he runs faster than expected at 255+ he'll be a first rounder, if he runs slower he'll go third.

Miller ia a good comparison, same type of athlete.

The one thing you hear a lot about Ayers on UCLA boards is he seems to not play physical enough, he doesn't make violent impact he seems to like to run around blocks etc. But to be fair I think he's been horribly coached at UCLA. They can't make up their minds what they have sometimes he's an edge rusher sometimes he's a coverage LB, I've seen him lineup inside too. I guess they think move your best player around but I think it has really hindered his development as a pass rusher.

I think 2nd round is about right on him but I do have this fear he's going to try and bulk up thinking as a DE he'll get picked earlier and he'll run slower as a result of that bulk.