In Honor To Larry Fitzgerald

[Russ Smith]

Right on! This is what drives me nuts about those that choose to defend DRC's punk arse... We pay Fitz to catch, right? Just like we pay DRC to pass defend, right?? Hmmmm....

How many passes did they complete on DRC last night?

How many of Gore's yards were the result of DRC not defending the run? He's not a good run defender we all admit that, but in the last few games his pass defense has been so good teams are barely even challenging him, he's almost taking away his side of the field(not quite yet but he's getting there).

I wish he was tougher but honestly the way we defend we often ask our CB's to play 1 on 1 and I'm glad we have one as good as DRC to do that.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

My question is what constitutes the end of the play? he was already on the ground on his back with the ball when Goldson's momentum rolled him over Fitz and pulled the ball out. What did Fitz have to do for it to be a catch, just continue to hold the ball? That's the part I didn't get, Fitz caught the ball falling down and landed with the ball, on his back. If he'd tried to get up at that point he'd have been ruled down by contact anyways.

I'm assuming they got the call right since both Jaws and Gruden said they did, I just don't get exactly how long did Fitz have to hold the ball for it to be a catch?

it's pretty much until all the dust settles - i've seen receivers make a catch running across the endzone, extend, grab the ball, drag both feet, have a knee hit in bounds, an elbow hit out of bounds (still clearly possessing the ball), continue to fall to the ground and as they roll out of bounds with the ball have it hit their facemask, become dislodged and spawn an incompletion

to me it's a TD when they had possession with feet & knee in the endzone - they are out of bounds and the play over as soon as the elbow hit out of bounds and if not then when they were first fully out of bounds with the ball

but not under this rule - it's one I really do not like

 

[Doug]

BTW - the play that spoke the loudest to me on fitzgerald (who is just a special talent) isn't any leaping catch that others just can't make

it's the beanie wells TD - the one where wells will get praised for being a bull and not giving up, etc, etc, etc

however, his hole was stuffed and the only reason there was a place to spin to was because fitzgerald stayed engaged on the play the entire time, took on his defender and drove him to the ground in the endzone and even pushed him into the line .... just a tremendous block that beanie could spin onto his back and in

he's stood out to me in pre-season games as well doing this .... 20 yards down the field with a backup RB in during a meaningless preseason game, selling out and owning his block and responsibility even though there is a good chance the RB never makes it far enough to need him

just a pure pro

If all you see is ANOTHER leaping Larry Fitzgerald touchdown then I know you need a new ALL WORLD Hightech expensive system in your home to watch what you can't normally see on a **** tv.He used his hand strength against 6 other hands and its plain to see all the way especially in slow motion what he did.That was not a leaping catch.That was a strength of hands move like none other before.Plus he was totally physically down and stopped before the leverage of the flying player aboves weight pulls the ball out like a can opener.A FULL SECOND and a half of total stop,I recorded it before the ball starts to come out.No sliding at all.Complete stop.Thats why I'm gonna wait on the NFL to have a say on it later.

Its a shame that play can't stand for all time.Worst ref crew in the league and we get them 3 or 4 times in one season.Thats almost impossible to happen.I'd like to ask that question too.These guys wanted to be a part of the game and have a say in who won or lost it.The crowd influenced flags that fell almost 40 to 50 seconds after the play was over.It was a joke to match our teams effort.But not both at once.

 

[Second Deck]

As mcuh as I hate the Raiders they had a similar catch earlier in the year and even under the new rules it was ruled not catch. In this case though I felt the DB was also in contact with Fitz early and should have been PI. The DB was not even trying to make a play on the ball to catch it.

The NFL has made a mistake in their rules if catches like that are not allowed. He did have control while on the ground.

 

[Doug]

My question is what constitutes the end of the play? he was already on the ground on his back with the ball when Goldson's momentum rolled him over Fitz and pulled the ball out. What did Fitz have to do for it to be a catch, just continue to hold the ball? That's the part I didn't get, Fitz caught the ball falling down and landed with the ball, on his back. If he'd tried to get up at that point he'd have been ruled down by contact anyways.

I'm assuming they got the call right since both Jaws and Gruden said they did, I just don't get exactly how long did Fitz have to hold the ball for it to be a catch?

Gruden is a clown.He made so many lies last night that someone was feeding him through his ear or just off the top of his head a list needs to be made.We did'nt lose 3 times in a row to the 9ers.

Did'nt we beat everyone in our division twice last year? Maybe I'm mistaken.I thought we won all of our games in the division last season.I have'nt even looked it up.I was'nt gonna even get involved for a week and now I can't stop.

 

[Shane]

The NFL has made a mistake in their rules if catches like that are not allowed. He did have control while on the ground.

Now that I completely agree with. That should be a catch and the rule is idiotic. But with the rules we have it wasn't. It's just that simple.

 

[Doug]

I can hear the infamous BONG,BONG,BONG that can drive you crazy of an MRI unit in use as you are inside that tin can and can't move.Even though they do have the more modern open units that are much better and probably what the CARDINALS have use of.

I'll bet that machine is running right now on a few of our players and I have no clue as to when we'll get the definate report of what they will decide to do.

I said we'd win it all with the players we had """"IF"""" they were to remain HEALTHY.It did'nt end up that way.Hardly ever does but IT DID last year.

Don't believe in curses unless GOD puts one on you.Only he can.So Madden's gonna get more press for his game this week.No player will okay having his picture put on the cover of that game no matter what they offer to pay them.No bigtime player will.Might have to be rookie pictures put on the cover after this year.

Most past players know Larry went into the lockeroom and took a major couple of SHOTS to the area and came out and finished the game.If you don't know that,then you don't know the real NFL.

This team has player looking at each other,because everyone is hurt and everyone is depending on the guy next to him to play to a higher level all the while being hurt.One can't in Gerald Hayes.I'd say he has a bad disc and needs surgery probably right now.Dude is tough as nails but is hurting the team.

Kurts already been questioned by missing the titans game and does'nt dare draw the IRE of the team again by missing anymore time.Yet I know he did'nt want to play after the first 3 and out last night.I can tell he's had his fill.I thought time away might get him back to finish his contract but the up close shots of him and the before the game interview showed a very different Kurt that played with a broken hand the size of a catchers mit with the rams and he use to lie all the time just to play.He knows it.

He's just thinking about his 7 kids and Brenda too much now and they'll need him and he deserves what he can get out of what he's already done.The voting writers are very fickle and King of SI does'nt want Warner in the Hall Of Fame and that might be the way it ends up.SO be it.Its time for Matt to show what he's learned over the past few years and take over maybe in the playoffs or next year for sure.Its his team now.Hope he can continue to light it up.He just may.He's better than any qb coming out in college next draft.Locker is staying at Washington.

 

[Pariah]

Lately on ASFN my mind wanders to Steve Martin in Trains, Planes and Automobiles.

[FONT=&quot]You know everything is not an anecdote. You have to discriminate. You choose things that are funny or mildly amusing or interesting.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] You're a miracle! Your stories have NONE of that. They're not even amusing ACCIDENTALLY! "Honey, I'd like you to meet Del Griffith, he's got some amusing anecdotes for you. Oh and here's a gun so you can blow your brains out. You'll thank me for it." I could tolerate any insurance seminar. For days I could sit there and listen to them go on and on with a big smile on my face. They'd say, "How can you stand it?" I'd say, "'Cause I've been with Del Griffith. I can take ANYTHING." You know what they'd say? They'd say, "I know what you mean. The shower curtain ring guy. Woah." It's like going on a date with a Chatty Cathy doll. I expect you have a little string on your chest, you know, that I pull out and have to snap back. Except I wouldn't pull it out and snap it back - you would. Agh! Agh! Agh! Agh! And by the way, you know, when you're telling these little stories? Here's a good idea - have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener! [/FONT]

 

[mrbyte]

yikes Doug you need to change your sig leave out the first four words....

 

[Doug]

Lately on ASFN my mind wanders to Steve Martin in Trains, Planes and Automobiles.

Merry Christmas to all of the aventine.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

The NFL rules are very clear you must maintain control of the ball all the way to the ground now and through the end of the play. He didn't. Doesn't take away how amazing it was. 5-10 years ago on the old rules it would have been a catch. Now it's not. Still awesome regardless!

At what point do you end the play though? If you are flat on your back and still have the ball, shouldn't that be enough? If you can get the ball wrestled from you after you already make contact, why have that rule to begin with.

That should be a catch. Period.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Cards got beat, that is it...

I still hate that Puke Justin Smith and his cheap headshot to Warner on his sack... How do the refs not flag that for 15, for it was CLEARLY INTENTIONAL!!!

 

[azmike74]

Cards got beat, that is it...

I still hate that Puke Justin Smith and his cheap headshot to Warner on his sack... How do the refs not flag that for 15, for it was CLEARLY INTENTIONAL!!!

Agree. Every replay they showed it was clear that Smith slapped him in the head.

 

[Shane]

At what point do you end the play though? If you are flat on your back and still have the ball, shouldn't that be enough? If you can get the ball wrestled from you after you already make contact, why have that rule to begin with.

That should be a catch. Period.

I already stated that it should be a catch and would have been under the old rules. I agree with you. But under the new ones it isn't pure and simple. No point in arguing about it. The new rule blows.