Insensitive-won't watch NFL.net any more tonight

[FrustratedFan04]

They just brought an number of service members, including wounded warriors, one of whom has been blinded, out on to the stage during the draft to be honored and during the program the NFL.net cut away to a commercial. Regardless of what you think of the war and it's worth, these men did what was asked of them and many now will bear the scars for life and these insensitive bastards at NFL.net go to a commercial? They can go to hell.

 

[Jetstream Green]

but they will show freaking Madonna, I agree

 

[CtCardinals78]

Yeah but Madonna is hot...in that sorta hey I want to get with your grandma sorta way!

 

[Longcolts]

They just brought an number of service members, including wounded warriors, one of whom has been blinded, out on to the stage during the draft to be honored and during the program the NFL.net cut away to a commercial. Regardless of what you think of the war and it's worth, these men did what was asked of them and many now will bear the scars for life and these insensitive bastards at NFL.net go to a commercial? They can go to hell.

As a former member of the military during a conflict I am glad that I wasn't watching this on NFL.Net or I might not have a monitor and/or computer any more.

 

[AzStevenCal]

They just brought an number of service members, including wounded warriors, one of whom has been blinded, out on to the stage during the draft to be honored and during the program the NFL.net cut away to a commercial. Regardless of what you think of the war and it's worth, these men did what was asked of them and many now will bear the scars for life and these insensitive bastards at NFL.net go to a commercial? They can go to hell.

It didn't bother me. I guess it's insensitive if the purpose of it was to get them on television but personally, I'd have felt more honored by getting to be a part of the festival of the draft than by being paraded around on camera. I guess I'd need to know a little more about this before I reached a decision. If the honorees were under the impression that they were being introduced to a TV audience then I'd agree with your reaction but I certainly don't know if that was the case. Keep in mind, the draft is an event above and beyond the TV spectacle.

Steve

 

[vince56]

Regardless of what you think of the war and it's worth

I don't think anyone anti-war is anti-serviceman.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

It didn't bother me. I guess it's insensitive if the purpose of it was to get them on television but personally, I'd have felt more honored by getting to be a part of the festival of the draft than by being paraded around on camera. I guess I'd need to know a little more about this before I reached a decision. If the honorees were under the impression that they were being introduced to a TV audience then I'd agree with your reaction but I certainly don't know if that was the case. Keep in mind, the draft is an event above and beyond the TV spectacle.

Steve

The NFL brought them out there, they didn't ask to come. They were used as a prop, including a blinded veteran with a seeing-eye dog.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

I don't think anyone anti-war is anti-serviceman.

I agree 100%

 

[AzStevenCal]

The NFL brought them out there, they didn't ask to come. They were used as a prop, including a blinded veteran with a seeing-eye dog.

You miss the point. The draft isn't a TV show. The draft is a live event that is also televised. How do you know they weren't brought there with the intention of being part of the event itself? And, as was mentioned a few times here, most of the veterans I know could care less about the token attention.

Steve

 

[FrustratedFan04]

You miss the point. The draft isn't a TV show. The draft is a live event that is also televised. How do you know they weren't brought there with the intention of being part of the event itself? And, as was mentioned a few times here, most of the veterans I know could care less about the token attention.

Steve

Obviously you didn't watch it because they were brought out to be a part of the of the event because the audiance was asked to stand and sing along with the song "God Bless the USA". Now whether that's hokey or not they cut away to a commercial, which parentetically ESPN did not do.

 

[CtCardinals78]

I don't think anyone anti-war is anti-serviceman.

Fox News disagrees

 

[AzStevenCal]

The audiance was asked to stand and sing along with the song "God Bless the USA". Now whether that's hokey or not they cut away to a commercial, which parentetically ESPN did not do.

Again, it is an event in and of itself. We see the TV version of it. I had a friend who came back as a para from Vietnam. He was invited to throw out the first pitch at a Milwaukee Brewers game. It was the greatest thrill of his life and they went to commercial after he was introduced but before he threw the pitch. It didn't diminish the event or the honor he felt in any way. I think you're locked into thinking of this solely as a TV show when it is much more than that.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Obviously you didn't watch it because they were brought out to be a part of the of the event because the audiance was asked to stand and sing along with the song "God Bless the USA". Now whether that's hokey or not they cut away to a commercial, which parentetically ESPN did not do.

Well, I did watch it. I watched both versions. IMO, the NFLN gave them at least as much respect as ESPN did. The NFLN stays with it during the Commissioner's welcoming speech and for the start of the Lee Greenwood song and then switches to commercial. ESPN ignores the welcoming speech completely (along with the individual handshakes) and then joins it well in progress after showing a bunch of Weedon highlights. But, again, this is all window dressing IMO. They were brought to Radio City Music Hall and honored as a part of this event. They weren't invited onto the set of a TV show.

Steve

 

[FrustratedFan04]

Well, I did watch it. I watched both versions. IMO, the NFLN gave them at least as much respect as ESPN did. The NFLN stays with it during the Commissioner's welcoming speech and for the start of the Lee Greenwood song and then switches to commercial. ESPN ignores the welcoming speech completely (along with the individual handshakes) and then joins it well in progress after showing a bunch of Weedon highlights. But, again, this is all window dressing IMO. They were brought to Radio City Music Hall and honored as a part of this event. They weren't invited onto the set of a TV show.

Steve

If it isn't a "TV show" as you insist, as if that means something, why has it been spread out over 3 days at prime time on two different networks? They could do it in an office, like they did before 1980, and report the results in the next days newspaper, which they also did before 1980, all of course if they didn't want to make a TV show of it.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If it isn't a "TV show" as you insist, as if that means something, why has it been spread out over 3 days at prime time on two different networks? They could do it in an office, like they did before 1980, and report the results in the next days newspaper, which they also did before 1980, all of course if they didn't want to make a TV show of it.

It isn't JUST a TV show, it's also a live event. Watch the NFLN coverage of the introduction of the Veterans and look out at that crowd. Footballs games are televised but they aren't just TV shows, they are events also.

Steve

 

[CtCardinals78]

Well there you go the NFLN didn't cut away for the salute this time. Boycott over

 

[FrustratedFan04]

Well there you go the NFLN didn't cut away for the salute this time. Boycott over

well I guess they learned their lesson.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

It isn't JUST a TV show, it's also a live event. Watch the NFLN coverage of the introduction of the Veterans and look out at that crowd. Footballs games are televised but they aren't just TV shows, they are events also.

Steve

Well now its not "just" a TV show. So let me get this right, it's only a TV show if it's a scripted taped production? This is a TV show that's caluculated to do only one thing: to keep interest in the NFL elevated while the season is dormant. They disrespected the military yesterday, and they're over doing of it today, and if you'll notice without any cut-aways.

 

[NJCardFan]

I don't think anyone anti-war is anti-serviceman.

You've never visited the Democratic Underground have you.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well now its not "just" a TV show. So let me get this right, it's only a TV show if it's a scripted taped production? This is a TV show that's caluculated to do only one thing: to keep interest in the NFL elevated while the season is dormant. They disrespected the military yesterday, and they're over doing of it today, and if you'll notice without any cut-aways.

I think if you time it today and yesterday you'll realize they provided about the same amount of coverage each day. The difference being that today's ceremony was much shorter than yesterday's. Also, I've always said it's not "just" a TV show, I just varied the language. Anyway, I understand your point, I simply disagree. Maybe you're right and it was disrespectful to the veterans, I only know it wouldn't have bothered me.

Steve

 

[Darkside]

I don't find anything wrong with it. It's TV. TV is meant for entertainment. That's its primary function, along with selling detergent and deodorant and beer. Most the vets I know don't want to be made into a dog and pony show, period, they just want the respect they're due, the benefits they're due, and an equal chance at getting a job. You want to help, you want to get self-righteous about it, go donate at a fundraiser for vets, go donate to the VA which is seriously, pathetically, so criminally, underfunded. These dudes fight for our freedoms, if you give a sh*t then go donate to the VA where most vets have the most problems. Watching TV isn't caring about vets. It's pretend caring. So those of us who didn't serve can feel a little bit better for being the weenies we are. That's the truth. I know many Vets and none of them give two donkey sh*ts about TV, just provide the benefits you promised, give them the freaking RESPECT they deserve, and let them earn a living. I really don't give a sh*t if some TV program interrupted your tear-jerk moment, in between your piss-break and the nachos.

 

[Longcolts]

I don't find anything wrong with it. It's TV. TV is meant for entertainment. That's its primary function, along with selling detergent and deodorant and beer. Most the vets I know don't want to be made into a dog and pony show, period, they just want the respect they're due, the benefits they're due, and an equal chance at getting a job. You want to help, you want to get self-righteous about it, go donate at a fundraiser for vets, go donate to the VA which is seriously, pathetically, so criminally, underfunded. These dudes fight for our freedoms, if you give a sh*t then go donate to the VA where most vets have the most problems. Watching TV isn't caring about vets. It's pretend caring. So those of us who didn't serve can feel a little bit better for being the weenies we are. That's the truth. I know many Vets and none of them give two donkey sh*ts about TV, just provide the benefits you promised, give them the freaking RESPECT they deserve, and let them earn a living. I really don't give a sh*t if some TV program interrupted your tear-jerk moment, in between your piss-break and the nachos.

Being one of those Vets of whom you speak and as a user as a patient of the Veterans Administration I was right there with you until your last sentence which I find not only insensitive but unnecessary and personally insulting, I did in fact fight for your freedom to say it. So I guess that's all I have to say about that in this thread.

 

[Darkside]

Being one of those Vets of whom you speak and as a user as a patient of the Veterans Administration I was right there with you until your last sentence which I find not only insensitive but unnecessary and personally insulting, I did in fact fight for your freedom to say it. So I guess that's all I have to say about that in this thread.

Well, then I don't know what to say, except that it was meant to be insulting, but not to you (or Vets).

 

[Longcolts]

After a private discussion with Darkside apologizing for over reacting to his post as to finding it personally insulting I have offered him an apology and therefor to the board in general. I spoke to quick without really comprehending his last sentence. Mea Culpa

 

[Darkside]

Longcolts has a lot of class. In PM's he stated that he felt the OP and others should have been able to see the message in its entirety and was offended that I should say otherwise and degrade the desire to view it. I'm naive in a lot of ways, and flawed in a lot of ways, and I retract my previous comments for being rude and insensitive. I had my points to make but perhaps this wasn't the thread to make them, and for that I apologize. I think we both agree, and we all agree, that Vets are severely unrecognized and underfunded when it comes to the VA and that's really the important part and not my personal views on how that message is delivered.