Is Boldin going?

[JeffGollin]

Like political buzz and just about every other sort of buzz, draft buzz is viral.

One guy speculates. The next guy repeats the speculation as fact. Then a whole bunch of other bloggers and websites pick up the story. The story winds up carrying a life of its own.

Bingo! You have a full-fledged rumor.

A rumor that is likely to have started out as someone's "educated guess."

Sometimes, the "second or third source" for a story turns out to have been the original story that's come around full-cycle to feed upon itself.

Moral: Learn which sources you can trust. Wait for a second corroboration from a source you can trust. Make sure your second source isn't merely repeating the original story. And even then, be careful about accepting anything as fact until it actually happens.

 

[joeshmo]

Boldin isn't going anywhere anytime soon. PFT again is proven to be a complete joke of a web site.

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I dont think PFT is right either but to be honest would you expect Graves to say anything different. There isnt a GM in the league that would show their hands like that and they always deny these reports. So I dont exactly trust what the GM says on the issue either.

 

[lobo]

Like political buzz and just about every other sort of buzz, draft buzz is viral.


Moral: Learn which sources you can trust. Wait for a second corroboration from a source you can trust. Make sure your second source isn't merely repeating the original story. And even then, be careful about accepting anything as fact until it actually happens.

....a excellent life lesson.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I dont think PFT is right either but to be honest would you expect Graves to say anything different. There isnt a GM in the league that would show their hands like that and they always deny these reports. So I dont exactly trust what the GM says on the issue either.

I would think if they wanted to trade Boldin, they would at least indicate they were interested in taking offers. That way the Cards could get teams to bid against each other. You don't have to come out say "we are trading Bolding". All you need to say is we will consider offers for Boldin.

The Cardinals have been steadfast and have said that Boldin isn't going anywhere. At least for now. Other than Boldin and his agent, there is nothing to indicate otherwise.

 

[joeshmo]

You don't have to come out say "we are trading Bolding". All you need to say is we will consider offers for Boldin.

Not a GM in the league that has ever done that though. There is plenty of buzz inside the league circles to cause a bidding war. The point you tell the league you are willing to trade a guy is the day his value drops, because you are now telling the league you are willing to part with him. Tell the league you are not willing to part with the player and they come at you with better offers because they now have to pry him away and historically that is the case everytime. The teams that get the best compensation are the ones that dont talk about it.

Every GM's job in the offseason, or their main priority is to deny everything, not show their hands, subterfuge, and rope-a-dope.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I would think if they wanted to trade Boldin, they would at least indicate they were interested in taking offers. That way the Cards could get teams to bid against each other. You don't have to come out say "we are trading Bolding". All you need to say is we will consider offers for Boldin.

The Cardinals have been steadfast and have said that Boldin isn't going anywhere. At least for now. Other than Boldin and his agent, there is nothing to indicate otherwise.

Thats not quite the way it works.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Not a GM in the league that has ever done that though. There is plenty of buzz inside the league circles to cause a bidding war. The point you tell the league you are willing to trade a guy is the day his value drops, because you are now telling the league you are willing to part with him. Tell the league you are not willing to part with the player and they come at you with better offers because they now have to pry him away and historically that is the case everytime. The teams that get the best compensation are the ones that dont talk about it.

Every GM's job in the offseason, or their main priority is to deny everything, not show their hands, subterfuge, and rope-a-dope.

Maybe you are right with regards to advertizing trading Boldin.

Still they have come out and said on numerous occasions that they have no intention of trading Boldin. To me that means he isn't going anywhere before the draft. No where do I get the feeling that they are actively shopping Boldin.

 

[joeshmo]

Maybe you are right with regards to advertizing trading Boldin.

Still they have come out and said on numerous occasions that they have no intention of trading Boldin. To me that means he isn't going anywhere before the draft. No where do I get the feeling that they are actively shopping Boldin.

Oh dont get me wrong I can see where that feeling comes from. Just that what do you think you would get better offers for, a guy you are trying to trade or a guy that you dont want to trade and they have to pry away?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Maybe you are right with regards to advertizing trading Boldin.

Still they have come out and said on numerous occasions that they have no intention of trading Boldin. To me that means he isn't going anywhere before the draft. No where do I get the feeling that they are actively shopping Boldin.

Lets be honest. If they are not actively gauging his value around the league thats just plain stupid.

I expect Graves to deny it but I think its his job to see what he maybe able to get.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Lets be honest. If they are not actively gauging his value around the league thats just plain stupid.

I expect Graves to deny it but I think its his job to see what he maybe able to get.

Stupid would be, as pointed out earlier, for Graves or his people making phone calls to guage his value. The effect is to both further sour the relationship with Q, and potentially diminish his value.

Doesn't mean he can't field incoming calls and hear offers, but, right up to the point where they decide to accept one, they maintain the integrity of both the public and private word.

 

[cgolden]

Stupid would be, as pointed out earlier, for Graves or his people making phone calls to guage his value. The effect is to both further sour the relationship with Q, and potentially diminish his value.

Doesn't mean he can't field incoming calls and hear offers, but, right up to the point where they decide to accept one, they maintain the integrity of both the public and private word.

My thoughts exactly. There's a huge difference between shopping someone and actively listening to offers. I hope Graves is answering the phones, but not making the calls.

 

[Perfectionist]

Maybe you are right with regards to advertizing trading Boldin.

Still they have come out and said on numerous occasions that they have no intention of trading Boldin. To me that means he isn't going anywhere before the draft. No where do I get the feeling that they are actively shopping Boldin.

Seems to me that if they are going to trade him they would have to do it before the draft. Otherwise, how would they get any value out of him? If they don't do anything before the draft, I expect they will keep him, but are they willing to pay him? Do you think Boldwin will handle himself next year just as he did this year? I don't know. Maybe he doesn't want be reagarded as a TO type. I guess we will just have to wait and see, but I think everyone out here would like to have some sort of resolution before the season starts.

 

[seesred]

I was told at my Rotary meeting today, by the top man in the Cards totem pole and I quote "Q is not going anywhere!"

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[Arizona's Finest]

Stupid would be, as pointed out earlier, for Graves or his people making phone calls to guage his value. The effect is to both further sour the relationship with Q, and potentially diminish his value.

Doesn't mean he can't field incoming calls and hear offers, but, right up to the point where they decide to accept one, they maintain the integrity of both the public and private word.

My thoughts exactly. There's a huge difference between shopping someone and actively listening to offers. I hope Graves is answering the phones, but not making the calls.

Again it goes back to denying everything. I would make a couple well placed calls and see what the value is. I don't see how that diminishs value at all. Because you are gauging value doens't mean you HAVE to take a deal.

The "shopping" someone or "fielding" calls is all semantics. Plus just "fielding" calls was enough to get Josh McDaniels in trouble, no?

You act like Boldin is going to get pissed if we shop him. Thats what he wants now isn't it?

 

[DakotaCardsFan]

Tell the league you are not willing to part with the player and they come at you with better offers because they now have to pry him away and historically that is the case everytime. The teams that get the best compensation are the ones that dont talk about it.

The Cardinals are not interested in trading Leonard Pope either.

 

[Indiana Hoosier]

He may go or he may stay. Love it!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Again it goes back to denying everything. I would make a couple well placed calls and see what the value is. I don't see how that diminishs value at all. Because you are gauging value doens't mean you HAVE to take a deal.

The "shopping" someone or "fielding" calls is all semantics. Plus just "fielding" calls was enough to get Josh McDaniels in trouble, no?

You act like Boldin is going to get pissed if we shop him. Thats what he wants now isn't it?

How do you make a couple of so called "well placed calls' without the absolute certainty that it gets out? You can't, and thus Graves involves himself in potential problems with Q, his value... and most important, his personal integrity.

"Shopping" someone or "fielding" calls are not semantics. They are two quite distinct acts. And, yes... one may get in some bother for fielding calls, but at the very least... no one can say that Graves lied in public.

Perhaps Boldin would like the Cards to shop him, and open the door for his agent to also collect offers, but, again... the distiction is between what Graves has said repeatedly on the issue and what you suggest he should do.

I somehow doubt he'll follow your advice...

 

[Skkorpion]

If I was an owner and a player who I had rewarded well tried to force a trade, I would not give in, preferring to send him home and eat his contract if he became a pariah. That would be policy.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

How do you make a couple of so called "well placed calls' without the absolute certainty that it gets out? You can't, and thus Graves involves himself in potential problems with Q, his value... and most important, his personal integrity.

"Shopping" someone or "fielding" calls are not semantics. They are two quite distinct acts. And, yes... one may get in some bother for fielding calls, but at the very least... no one can say that Graves lied in public.

Perhaps Boldin would like the Cards to shop him, and open the door for his agent to also collect offers, but, again... the distiction is between what Graves has said repeatedly on the issue and what you suggest he should do.

I somehow doubt he'll follow your advice...

From the looks of it kinda sounds like he already has. Where there is smoke there is fire and OF COURSE Rod is going to deny that when asked.

But if you want to be the guy buying what Rod is selling when he says he hasn't inquired with anybody then be my guest.

I also have some swamp land in NJ I would like to discuss with you so PM me....

 

[Crazy Canuck]

From the looks of it kinda sounds like he already has. Where there is smoke there is fire and OF COURSE Rod is going to deny that when asked.

But if you want to be the guy buying what Rod is selling when he says he hasn't inquired with anybody then be my guest.

I also have some swamp land in NJ I would like to discuss with you so PM me....[/QUOTE]

Ahh, yes...the lack of actual evidence... becomes evidence... brilliant!!!

Rumours are all too often smoke without fire. We will see what happens.

PS: Someone who got stiffed on on a land deal up in New Jersey is in no position to suggest anyone else is naive...

Good luck with that...

 

[Arizona's Finest]

From the looks of it kinda sounds like he already has. Where there is smoke there is fire and OF COURSE Rod is going to deny that when asked.

But if you want to be the guy buying what Rod is selling when he says he hasn't inquired with anybody then be my guest.

I also have some swamp land in NJ I would like to discuss with you so PM me....

Ahh, yes...the lack of actual evidence... becomes evidence... brilliant!!!

Rumours are all too often smoke without fire. We will see what happens.

PS: Someone who got stiffed on on a land deal up in New Jersey is in no position to suggest anyone else is naive...

Good luck with that...

I guess they haven't heard that one in Quebec

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I guess they haven't heard that one in Quebec

I didn't think I had to add a smilie, sarcasm or (lol).

I'll know better next time...