Is it actually possible to please some folks

[Pariah]

Originally posted by nidan
Can our secondary get much worse ?

It's not a question of whether it can get worse or not. The question is "Will it get better?" I think it might get a little better IN SPITE of Solomon. We should get starks back and we should draft a CB in the second and we might get a good one in FA.

But asking "Can our secondary get worse?" doesn't address the issue of Solomon being a crappass coach.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

At Least

At least give the coaches a chance before you say they suck.

We have too many experts on this board who apparently have critiqued and talked to the OC's and DC's of every coach that Denny hired.

We should hire them....they're so frikkin smart!!!

 

[Tangodnzr]

hey...watch the insults buddy.....

I'll have you know I taught Dion everything he knows about coaching.

I'd be a bargain at any price. If you don't believe me just ask me.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by nidan
It seems that no matter what the Cardinals do, somebosy allways has to rip on them

I mean when we have issue coming up the retoric typicaly goes along these lines.

1) They will never hire/sign XXXX because the are to cheap/stupid
2) The did sign XXXX, there must be something wrong with him
3) They will never let XXXX do his job without unreasonable constraints

We started this with the search for a HC, then we went on to doing it with the assistants.

Maybe, just maybe MIke Bidwill and Rod Graves know what they are doing. Maybe so does coach Green. By analogy maybe the assistants the HC has hired also know what they are doing.

Of course they have to deliver, but it seems now that some are suggesting that we have some throwaway assitants because we are too cheap (kinda of a 1a). That is really reaching folks.

I'm waiting for the conspiracy theory that our new DC is an alien and got his job by mind control which he also used to get the stdium passed. The fact that he has been an NFL coach for years and seems qualified for the position doesn't seem to matter.

c'mon nidan, everyone is allowed their opinion. and, though the past year has seen some welcome changes OFF the field, this team still has a ton of historical evidence working against it, as an organization, to overcome. the cheapness argument may hold water. you argue that maybe the minds that be "know what they're doing" . . . well, thus far all those minds have to show for their "knowledge" is one 4-12 season and a shiny new coaching staff. let those with negative thoughts continue to harbor their thoughts and those of us with a bit more optimism celebrate the changes we see . . . my god, that almost sounds koolaidish!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by Jim Omohundro
I remember seeing him at Jackson's for the Draft Party last year. He was drinking at 8:30am!

that's too late in the day to start drinking!

 

[Rivercard]

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
that's too late in the day to start drinking!

He'd been at it since midnite the night before.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by Rivercard
He'd been at it since midnite the night before.

BETTER!

 

[Sandan]

Re: Re: Is it actually possible to please some folks

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
c'mon nidan, everyone is allowed their opinion.

Yes they are entitled to an opinion, me included.

My point was simple and you mischaraterized it. It had little to do with my opinion of Rod Graves etc.

It was just expressing frustration that no matter where we have been in this process, somebody (actually usually several somebodies), starts up unsubstanitited rumors or their opinion that they KNOW Cards will screw up the next step.

All I was saying is that after the hysteria over the last week or so can't we take a short rest.

Right now people are focusing in on Solomon, there seems to be little else to bitch about so now he is the whipping boy of the day.

We know almost nothing about his abilities for the position he has been hired for (expcept a few folks saying he sucks), none of us knows. What we do know is the Green is a ambitious/agressive SOB (both are a good thing) and I find it unlikely that he would hire a waste of space to his staff. Maybe he knows something we don't.

 

[40yearfan]

Ya never know. Maybe Solomon saved Green's life when they were in the trenches in France during WWII and Green is repaying his debt of gratitude. Maybe Green felt his coaching staff needed some comic relief and Solomon is the second coming of Red Foxx. Frankly Scarlett--------------

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Re: Re: Re: Is it actually possible to please some folks

Originally posted by nidan
Yes they are entitled to an opinion, me included.

My point was simple and you mischaraterized it. It had little to do with my opinion of Rod Graves etc.

It was just expressing frustration that no matter where we have been in this process, somebody (actually usually several somebodies), starts up unsubstanitited rumors or their opinion that they KNOW Cards will screw up the next step.

All I was saying is that after the hysteria over the last week or so can't we take a short rest.

Right now people are focusing in on Solomon, there seems to be little else to bitch about so now he is the whipping boy of the day.

We know almost nothing about his abilities for the position he has been hired for (expcept a few folks saying he sucks), none of us knows. What we do know is the Green is a ambitious/agressive SOB (both are a good thing) and I find it unlikely that he would hire a waste of space to his staff. Maybe he knows something we don't.

i understand, and don't think i mischaracterized, you point perfectly. however, it still comes down to people's opinions. and, really, it DOES seem like there is an awful lot about solomon that is negative out there, beyond just our humble asfn-posters' opinions. and, regardless of green's ambitions and aggressiveness, everyone can be blinded by personal relationships, so it's not outside the realm of possibility that green, despite his ambitions, is unable to see the failings of solomon if they're really tight friends.

 

[conraddobler]

Originally posted by NFL_FAN
Hey, it's all change and it's all new to us so lets wait and see. For now, I'm happy and will wait until week 6 to make further comment, ok maybe I'll have something more to add after draft weekend and during FA pick up time but for now, hey, it's much different than it was a month ago!!!

No, I'm not a complete homer but getting all pissed off about it now will do no good. Is Green going to read this board and say to himself,"Damn, Tango is right, I better dump these guys I've hired and start over!" Doubtful. (Sorry, Tango, your name just popped into my head)

Sorta like the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Re: Re: Re: Is it actually possible to please some folks

Originally posted by nidan
It was just expressing frustration that no matter where we have been in this process, somebody (actually usually several somebodies), starts up unsubstanitited rumors or their opinion that they KNOW Cards will screw up the next step.

Well, historically, they have. I love the Cards, but I understand why people rip on them. Jim is right, winning cures all that ails you. A winning reputation, and you can do no wrong, a losing reputation, and you can do no right.

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Easy

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Who is this XXXX guy?
Bring him in. Couldn't hurt.

Vin Diesel.

That's XXX.

Oh....never mind.

 

[danny l]

As I lookat the situation between Green and Soloman, my suspicion is that Soloman may have been Green's hatchet man ie. his "Turk" at Minnesota. If so, Green knew that players, etc. would resent Soloman, but hell if he did Green's dirty work for him so this would be an important guy for the head coach to keep around. Now this is pure conjectured on my part, but just reading between the lines. I may have completely misread this, but it would make sense to me for Green to show this kind of loyalty to "his" man.

 

[Tangodnzr]

Originally posted by danny l
As I lookat the situation between Green and Soloman, my suspicion is that Soloman may have been Green's hatchet man ie. his "Turk" at Minnesota. If so, Green knew that players, etc. would resent Soloman, but hell if he did Green's dirty work for him so this would be an important guy for the head coach to keep around. Now this is pure conjectured on my part, but just reading between the lines. I may have completely misread this, but it would make sense to me for Green to show this kind of loyalty to "his" man.

The only problem I see with that theory, is from a management perspective I could see a possibility in that. BUT, why then, was owner Red McCombs so adamant in wanting Green to get rid of him, to the point that it bacame one of the contributiing issues to Green, himself, getting forced out.??

"Something is rotten in Denmark" here. Remember too, that Green moved Solomon around to various positions (3, I think).
That, in and of itself, I don't think is necessarily "bad".
Pendergast has coached more than 1 position.
But if Solomon was so versatile and decent....why then the derogatory comments by some peers and why didn't anyone else snatch him and his great talent up, when he was available?

I'm not too worried about him myself. There seem to be enough other decent coaches on the staff AND Pendergast's experience is rooted in DB coaching, so hopefully, even if his is just some kind of shill, his backside will get covered by others.

Let's hope anyway.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by conraddobler
The vast majority of the NFL public or whatever you want to call it never pays much attention to the Cardinals and so they always just take the easy way out... ie they always suck so it is safe to assume that whatever they do in fact probably sucks..

The people in the Valley just assume they suck because the media pretty much takes the easy way out on the subject as well.

Anyone who follows the team like most on here do would have to admit that in fact the Cardinals are making some of the most drastic changes they ever have and this has been going on for over a year now.

Jim is right until the team wins though there isn't much anyone can say.

However this is just not the same Ol Cardinals irregaurdless of wins or losses the effort is there where in the past it could rightly be labled as lacking.

Well said... couldn't agree more.

P.S. - "irregardless" is not a word. If it was, it would mean just the opposite of what you were saying.

 

[conraddobler]

Originally posted by Northern Card
Well said... couldn't agree more.

P.S. - "irregardless" is not a word. If it was, it would mean just the opposite of what you were saying.

IMO it is ok to use in informal forms of writing and I would argue this board would qualify as informal. I like the way it sounds better than regardless. It is just a question of emphasis and not all writing has to make 100% literal sense

http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-irr1.htm

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by conraddobler
IMO it is ok to use in informal forms of writing and I would argue this board would qualify as informal. I like the way it sounds better than regardless. It is just a question of emphasis and not all writing has to make 100% literal sense

http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-irr1.htm

I understand your point. To paraphrase: "When in America do as the Americans do." "Irregardless" of my Oxford dictionary

 

[BACH]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr
"Something is rotten in Denmark" here.

I'll let you know if I find it....

 

[BuckeyeCardinal]

Scotland

Originally posted by Northern Card
I understand your point. To paraphrase: "When in America do as the Americans do." "Irregardless" of my Oxford dictionary

I once saw this sign in Scotland:

"English spoken here....American understood."

 

[Northern Card]

Re: Scotland

Originally posted by BuckeyeCardinal
I once saw this sign in Scotland:

"English spoken here....American understood."

So true....

 

[jf-08]

Originally posted by red desert
Doesn't he though? I bet he's a blast to drink with.

For some reason, we aren't all as funny in person.

Ouchie suggested we all bring keyboards to the games next year. Maybe that will help.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by Tangodnzr


"Something is rotten in Denmark" here.

"Maybe it's all that cheese."

Coach, Cheers.