Is it time for AZ to follow Miami's method?

[ARZCardinals]

Miami admitted defeat days before the season started by trading their best players for picks in hopes of being good in the future. As it stands now they have A LOT of high picks in the up and coming drafts

The question is....is it time for AZ to do the same?


why or why not?

 

[Solar7]

I say no, primarily because we don't really even have anyone of value to move.

Peterson? Maybe Chandler Jones?

This team needs young talent desperately but I don't know that Keim wants to dump assets when he's fighting for his career.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

If Josh Rosen was kept and was getting destroyed, I could see taking off the brakes late in the season for Tua. But it’s not like you tank when you just drafted your Quarterback of the future and built the team around him

 

[Southpaw]

Let's make a deal. Trades need not be only for a 1st rounder. I don't trust this current staff to make the right deals. Unless they screw it up, Oakland and Miami might be on a faster track to being competitive.

 

[HGC]

Let's make a deal. Trades need not be only for a 1st rounder. I don't trust this current staff to make the right deals. Unless they screw it up, Oakland and Miami might be on a faster track to being competitive.

Oakland is already competitive.

 

[sdscard4]

Horrible thread

 

[HGC]

Next year is definitely the year to suck but no.

 

[gbrim21]

NFL fans aren't conditioned for this kind of talk, you're going to take a lot of flak for making the thread but I think it's a valid question. NBA fans are well aware of the strategy but for some reason NFL fans just aren't.

Tradeable assets: PP, DJ (to, you know, a team on east coast that plays fantasy and hasn't watched him play in a couple years.) Who else has trade value on this roster that we'd be willing to trade? IMO, that's it. I'm not willing to trade Chandler Jones yet.

Realistically, IMO the best investment we can make in the future is the development of KM. Keeping what little talent we have on offense to help provide a functional offense, and leaving PP on defense to help KM not always be playing from down 10 will help his development. Put another way, I'd take a confident KM and a mid 1st round pick over a lambasted KM and an early 1st every day. He is our future.

If Keim has the balls to trade PP or DJ before the deadline I will give him props though. Whether I think it's a good idea or agree with the compensation, he must know his job ends when he ships out talent, gets some draft picks, and puts up another 3 win season. Agree or not, have to respect a man who signs his own termination papers, presumably because he thinks it's what's best for the organization.

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[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I have an Idea...spend every pick in 2020 on o lineman then spend every pick in 2021 on LBs and D lineman.

 

[Metcalf Rules]

Not if Steve Keim's doing the drafting.

 

[TJ]

Public polls, please

 

[BW52]

Why not? Cards do have a few guys who could draw some interest around the league-Cory Peters,Humphries,Reddick,Hicks, David Johnson,etc;.This team is going nowhere this season and next year might be a little better.So why keep costly veterans around? I would consider trading Peterson also.If you are going to get beat then why not play kids to see if they can be contributors ? Does it really matter if you lose 38-14 instead of 31-14.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

Problem is it looks like either Miami or Az are going to have the #1 pick. If it is the Cards then maybe a team tries to trade up. If not then will a team trade up for the #2 pick.

 

[jmt]

Or we can just keep playing like we are and not win either.

 

[Ronin]

Not as crazy as it may seem.

 

[mjb21aztd]

As ceaser in planet of apes would scream Noooooooo!

 

[Delmar M Lewis]

Dont have to do a thing wecsuck bad enough as it is like another post said

 

[ARZCardinals]

Any team that planned this long for the offseason
went through free agency
went through the draft
went through training camp
...and sucks as bad as they do...AND they're currently $40 million in debt for next year...

The Cardinals can't even come close to being competitive next year either with that debt.

At least everyone in Miami KNOWS they're tanking...and they made it public

The Cardinals are TRYING and going to be 0-15-1 and STILL have $40 million less in money to spend than the teams WHO ARE WINNING right now.

You could fast forward this thread 365 days and we will be saying the same things....as they have NO shot next year with the current debt.

The only way out sometimes is THROUGH THE FIRE

...and for the Cardinals you've got your rookie QB for 5 years and this is year one.....it's done...just accept this year is over and look at the next 2.
Next year you're going to be $40 million in debt...you are NOT getting any solid free agent when the other 31 teams can outspend you....the only way there is to overspend...can't do that...so free agency is out of the question this year
so what's left to build the team ....the draft...
So the plan would be....dump every over priced player the cardinals have and trade everything of value today so we can build a foundation in two years that'll make a run.

Cardinals would still have a young qb
a ton of young high round picks
AND a FULL SALARY CAP to compete with in the 2nd year Free Agency...now you're playing ball

Either accept what is or you're simply pushing the misery another year down the road named DENIAL

update: I was wrong re: the cap and the $40 million...that's dead money THIS year...not next...Cards have only $2 mill showing of dead money for next year.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

No because you don't gut your roster and tank after you have your QB in hand. They will have more than enough through the draft and free agency to turn this team around next year (assuming they use those assets wisely). The last thing you want to do when trying to develop a young QB is force him to carry an even more depleted roster than we currently have.

 

[ARZCardinals]

No because you don't gut your roster and tank after you have your QB in hand. They will have more than enough through the draft and free agency to turn this team around next year (assuming they use those assets wisely). The last thing you want to do when trying to develop a young QB is force him to carry an even more depleted roster than we currently have.

How in the world are the Cardinals gonna compete in free agency next year?

They're $40 million in debt behind every other team in the NFL.
Free agents are going to take either
A) the most money they can get (which the Cardinals can't do)
or
B) the team most likely to win (yea that's not AZ)

Free agency is dead next year for the Cardinals - mind you Keim ain't done spending - there will be more debt

You have the rook for 5 years....this year is OVER...and next is already over....better plan for year 3.

It's time to call in the big guns...Bill Cower, Jimmy Johnson and Ozzie Newsome as advisors...even if that's not your plan....the Cardinals have NO SHOT this year or next ....NONE, zero, zip, nada....you'd be better off betting on the sun will rise in the West and set in the East on Wednesday.

It's many many many years later and desert dawg's statement lives today as true as it was then
"Everybody is buying Park Place and Boardwalk, but we chillin on Baltic Avenue."

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

How in the world are the Cardinals gonna compete in free agency next year?

They're $40 million in debt behind every other team in the NFL.
Free agents are going to take either
A) the most money they can get (which the Cardinals can't do)
or
B) the team most likely to win (yea that's not AZ)

Free agency is dead next year for the Cardinals - mind you Keim ain't done spending - there will be more debt

You have the rook for 5 years....this year is OVER...and next is already over....better plan for year 3.

It's time to call in the big guns...Bill Cower, Jimmy Johnson and Ozzie Newsome as advisors...even if that's not your plan....the Cardinals have NO SHOT this year or next ....NONE, zero, zip, nada....you'd be better off betting on the sun will rise in the West and set in the East on Wednesday.

Actually they will have the 8th most salary to spend with about $79m. The dead money this year does not affect next years salary cap, but only this year's cap.

 

[oaken1]

How in the world are the Cardinals gonna compete in free agency next year?

They're $40 million in debt behind every other team in the NFL.
Free agents are going to take either
A) the most money they can get (which the Cardinals can't do)
or
B) the team most likely to win (yea that's not AZ)

Free agency is dead next year for the Cardinals - mind you Keim ain't done spending - there will be more debt

You have the rook for 5 years....this year is OVER...and next is already over....better plan for year 3.

It's time to call in the big guns...Bill Cower, Jimmy Johnson and Ozzie Newsome as advisors...even if that's not your plan....the Cardinals have NO SHOT this year or next ....NONE, zero, zip, nada....you'd be better off betting on the sun will rise in the West and set in the East on Wednesday.

It's many many many years later and desert dawg's statement lives today as true as it was then
"Everybody is buying Park Place and Boardwalk, but we chillin on Baltic Avenue."

we are 40mil in the hole this season,..not next...next year we have about 70mil to spend

 

[HGC]

You tank and you’re keeping Keim and that’s not the guy you want building a franchise. Find the best man to take over the organization and let him make the decisions going forward.

 

[ARZCardinals]

we are 40mil in the hole this season,..not next...next year we have about 70mil to spend

You sir are correct!
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2020/

Cards are #2 with the 2nd most dead money this season at $42 million and now have all of $2 million to spend the remainder of the season

Miami is set to make a real run with the picks and the money they have next year...add to it they're in a state with no income tax so that money almost doubles vs other teams.

 

[dscher]

I think so. Why not? There is good possibility keim has hamstrung this roster so bad with no young quality depth that we might need a dearth of draft picks for the new gm to have of his own. The 49ers had the right idea right before John lynch. Give the new gm a fair shot and load up his roster with young complementary talent that will fit the system... Like a gm does for belicheck every year.