Is It Time to Blow It Up?

[Harry]

I don't remember the Cards having to eat any dead money when Kurt retired but I could be wrong.

The salary disappears but the prorated bonus doesn't. It accelerates into the year he retires.

 

[Shaggy]

He is the greatest player this team has ever known but two weeks in he looks like he aged 10 years in the offseason.

Palmer just isn't looking at him. He was open a few times, but CP decided to throw somewhere else, or into triple coverage.

 

[Harry]

No way in hell I'd fire Keim. Do you not remember the 15yrs of Graves prior to him?? Keim ain't even remotely close to that yet

I totally agree. When Keim came in he assessed the situation and felt he had enough playmakers to fill the gaps with vet free agents & rookies. It worked for awhile, but now those players are too old & too few for that strategy. He's also been unlucky to have some of the worst injuries imaginable. He'll be given time to show he can transition to a new style.

 

[Billy Bob]

we're 1 and 1 after 2 early short handed east coast games and your ready to blow up the team, good gravy man, it's not the end of the world!

 

[sportznutt]

I don't know what people have seen over the past year that has made them think otherwise. Palmer has been terrible. We have no run game. The o-line is in shambles. Our receivers are random names. Our secondary can get picked on outside of PP. We lost our run stuffers. We can't kick.

To say we need to push through with minor changes is just wrong imo. Let's say we somehow survive and go 8-8. Will that make the playoffs? No. We need at least 10-6. And then what? We're nowhere near the high powered offences that are in the NFC.

Done. Finished. Start over with a plan for the future.

 

[oaken1]

Keim needs to blow it up.

we have a coach who suffers from loyalty and a team that has shown signs of poor coaching for the past couple years. If BA wont make necessary changes in players and staff then Keim needs to dump BA and make the changes himself.

The concept sucks to me because I do not see an attractive alternative on the horizon. I just know the team cannot continue down this road if they ever hope to win.
Someone within the organization needs to show loyalty to the fans, too the brand, too the future of Big Red.

As a fan I am really tired of seeing higher quality football being played on saturdays than sundays. We take the field and look like a mid level college team.

Anyone remember that last game of the season against the seahawks??...2015 wasnt it??
That was when it happened. Up to that point this team looked solid, precise, fast, disciplined... after that game I remember BA telling a reporter that we were not trying to win...and I vividly remember the total WTF?? Look on Fitz's face as he walked past and heard that. This team has sucked flaming balls ever since then. They have maybe played one solid game since then.

Last season...we all knew something was going on with BA and his health...didnt know exactly what, but we knew there was something. For that reason many of us were willing to let that season slide. But he had that issue fixed right? isnt that what was reported? If his health is having a negative effect on the team he needs to step down. If he is unwilling to do that then SK needs to do his job, look out for the best interest of the team, and cut him loose.

I love BA as much as the next guy. He seems to be a great guy and he has done some amazing things with this team. But ya know what?? I loved Joe Bugel too...IMO he is one of the best coaches the Cards have ever had and he really got a raw deal here.. But I got over the team moving on from coach Buges and I will get over the team moving on from BA too.

It's time for someone to look out for the best interest of the team.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

No way in hell I'd fire Keim. Do you not remember the 15yrs of Graves prior to him?? Keim ain't even remotely close to that yet

Agreed. Keim has to stay.

This is the NFL it is cyclical. Right now things are trending down.

Some could argue this blow up/rebuild/reload, whatever the term they use to put lipstick on a pig for taking out the core of a team and building a new one, should have happened last offseason.

But, we are all here now, so what to do, and how to take on the rest of the season is what needs to be addressed, IMHO.

 

[BigRedRage]

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Yeah I'm guessing no.

This image is awesome.

 

[oaken1]

Agreed. Keim has to stay.

This is the NFL it is cyclical. Right now things are trending down.

Some could argue this blow up/rebuild/reload, whatever the term they use to put lipstick on a pig for taking out the core of a team and building a new one, should have happened last offseason.

But, we are all here now, so what to do, and how to take on the rest of the season is what needs to be addressed, IMHO.

of course the standard PC position on the season is we always play to win.

IMO, we should play to win. But do it with all of our players who we plan to keep that need game experience. If we know we are gonna cut a guy loose when the season is over his long term value to the team is done. So bench him and play the young guy who needs the snaps. Use the aging vets as backups...it will likely reduce our injuries over the course of the season and will benefit the team over the long haul.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

So bench him and play the young guy who needs the snaps.

That is the issue. There are more vets and older players then there are young guys. This strange offseason where the front office tried to do two things at once is not working out, and leaves this team in a state of win or be a lame duck for a season.

There are simply some positions where their isn't a young guy to take over the position. I guess that is what I am trying to say.....just poorly.

 

[oaken1]

That is the issue. There are more vets and older players then there are young guys. This strange offseason where the front office tried to do two things at once is not working out, and leaves this team in a state of win or be a lame duck for a season.

There are simply some positions where their isn't a young guy to take over the position. I guess that is what I am trying to say.....just poorly.

true. but there are positions where we can do it right??... perhaps not many, lol

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Too late.....we should have seen this coming and been making some changes a couple years ago. It appears our staff still has the illusion that we are a super bowl contender.

 

[NJCardFan]

He is the greatest player this team has ever known but two weeks in he looks like he aged 10 years in the offseason.

That's because we're back to having no other options so he's double teamed. Hopefully if JJ Nelson can keep it up and stretch the field, it will keep defenses honest and Fitz can get open again.

 

[Paso Fino]

Keim's biggest problem has been that he defers too much to BA. It's hard to believe Keim really believed that the special teams coach should stay and that Stanton deserved as much deference as BA gives him.

 

[Mitch]

Keim's biggest problem has been that he defers too much to BA. It's hard to believe Keim really believed that the special teams coach should stay and that Stanton deserved as much deference as BA gives him.

This...and it's questionable whether Keim can consistently draft players who are good scheme fits and guys who can take BA's and his coaches' style of coaching. Actually, that kind of drafting might be tough on any GM.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's time churn the roster for sure.

My bigger questions are Keim and BA.

I love that Keim was one of the architects in three straight years of double digit wins. I hate (and am terrified) by his AWFUL track record in 1st round picks which has left a really barren cupboard:

Cooper - bustola grande
Bucanon - average but undersized
Reddick - who knows, a conversion project with grey athleticism
Hump - a motivational issue guy with injury problems
Nkemdiche - injuries and no impact

Man that's an awful track record.

BA is a great coach. He's stubborn as hell and that might be his ultimate undoing. I hate that he's an older guy bc it likely limits his longevity which for me should be a factor. His love of Amos leaves me baffled.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Keim has this team ready to reload. Bunch of picks next year with a bunch of retirees. New coach would be ideal.

 

[Stout]

Keim has this team ready to reload. Bunch of picks next year with a bunch of retirees. New coach would be ideal.

That's just the problem--having this team "ready" to reload is garbage preparation. Many people saw from a mile away that we weren't going to be contenders THIS year--so why weren't we already rebuilding? Why wait? A GM doesn't get credit for being "ready" to reload in a later season/offseason, when the shortcomings are there for all to see; a GM gets credit when they see it coming and prepare for it BEFOREHAND.

 

[JeffGollin]

Are the problems ingrained? Or can we coach our way out of them?

Is our performance week to week consistent? Or are they peaks and valleys?

Have we been in a long valley? Or should we be expected to play better from here on out?

Are there changes we can make that would make us tangibly better, save the season etc.? Or would those changes be mainly window dressing?

Are we going to learn much from playing young backups that we couldn't or happened to find out in the offseason.

Are our players really brittle? Or are we experiencing a run of bad luck?

The answers aren't clear, and for that reason, I'd be inclined to stay the course - It's early in the season. We're still 1 & 1. The other teams in our division are far from perfect. Injured players should be returning. There's still time to get better.

That said - ask me again in 2 or 3 weeks.

 

[Stout]

Are the problems ingrained? Or can we coach our way out of them?

Is our performance week to week consistent? Or are they peaks and valleys?

Have we been in a long valley? Or should we be expected to play better from here on out?

Are there changes we can make that would make us tangibly better, save the season etc.? Or would those changes be mainly window dressing?

Are we going to learn much from playing young backups that we couldn't or happened to find out in the offseason.

Are our players really brittle? Or are we experiencing a run of bad luck?

The answers aren't clear, and for that reason, I'd be inclined to stay the course - It's early in the season. We're still 1 & 1. The other teams in our division are far from perfect. Injured players should be returning. There's still time to get better.

That said - ask me again in 2 or 3 weeks.

Of course. I'm not suggesting we blow it up now. If, at the end of the season, it's just as bad as it is now...then yes. To what extent would be yet to be determined too.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Keim has this team ready to reload. Bunch of picks next year with a bunch of retirees. New coach would be ideal.

Most GM's, unless they're a complete disaster, will be allowed 2 or 3 coaches during their regime. If/when the roster goes rebuild, BA will likely be given the opportunity to decide if he wants to coach a younger team.

The answers aren't clear, and for that reason, I'd be inclined to stay the course - It's early in the season. We're still 1 & 1. The other teams in our division are far from perfect. Injured players should be returning. There's still time to get better.

That said - ask me again in 2 or 3 weeks.

Yup. Right now they're still a fringe playoff team and might stay that way all season. Let's see how this team is doing at mid-season. Strange things happen in the NFL.

If Palmer's play stays the same, it would be worth benching him for a half or game and put Gabbert in. Palmer knows what he has in Stanton, so there's no real threat to his job there.

 

[Linderbee]

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