Is Marion the best pick the 99 draft?

[scotsman13]

Round 1
# Team Name
1 CHI Elton Brand
2 VAN Steve Francis
3 CHA Baron Davis
4 LAC Lamar Odom
5 TOR Jonathan Bender
6 MIN Wally Szczerbiak
7 WAS Richard Hamilton
8 CLE Andre Miller
9 PHO Shawn Marion
10 ATL Jason Terry
11 CLE Trajan Langdon
12 TOR Alek Radojevic
13 SEA Corey Maggette
14 MIN William Avery
15 NYK Frederic Weis
16 CHI Ron Artest
17 ATL Cal Bowdler
18 DEN James Posey
19 UTA Quincy Lewis
20 ATL Dion Glover
21 GSW Jeff Foster
22 HOU Kenny Thomas
23 LAL Devean George
24 UTA Andrei Kirilenko
25 MIA Tim James
26 IND Vonteego Cummings
27 ATL Jumaine Jones
28 UTA Scott Padgett
29 DAL Leon Smith

besides elton brand there really isnt anyone else who is anywhere else as productive as marion, and brand has never scored or rebounded as well as marion has this year? so what do you think is he the best of that draft?

 

[Gaddabout]

That's a tough one. I think Kirilenko at 24 was brilliant. Ron Artest is still a damn good basketball player. I would have to make Brand tops, followed by Marion, but Kirilenko is probably No. 2B.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

Round 1
# Team Name
1 CHI Elton Brand
2 VAN Steve Francis
3 CHA Baron Davis
4 LAC Lamar Odom
7 WAS Richard Hamilton
8 CLE Andre Miller
9 PHO Shawn Marion
10 ATL Jason Terry
16 CHI Ron Artest
24 UTA Andrei Kirilenko

In my opinion this should have been the top 10 picks of 99, in no particular order.

 

[elindholm]

Relative to his draft position, there's no one in the first round who compares with Kirilenko.

It's interesting how a few years ago, this was looking like one of the all-time great draft classes. But since then, Francis has fallen apart, Davis has been derailed by injuries, Odom is looking more like a role player instead of a star, and Miller hasn't been able to build on his one great season. How things change.

Another thing that's funny to me is that even Utah wasn't all that high on Kirilenko -- they passed on him just a few picks earlier to take Quincy Lewis, whoever that is. On the other hand, the Jazz's draft that year shows the true value of late first-round picks: You throw some darts at the board, and maybe one will be a good player. They had three picks (also Padgett, later on) and got one star, but that doesn't mean that they screwed up with the other two.

 

[elindholm]

In my opinion this should have been the top 10 picks of 99, in no particular order.

I'd much rather have Maggette than Francis.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

If the draft were re-done, it would be like this:

1 - Elton Brand
2 - Shawn Marion
3 - Andrei Kirilenko
4 - Ron Artest
5 - Rip Hamilton
6 - Cory Magette
7 - Baron Davis
8 - Lamar Odom
9 - Wally Szczerbiak
10 - Jason Terry
11 - Steve Francis
12 - Andre Miller

After that, everyone else is pure BS....

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Relative to his draft position, there's no one in the first round who compares with Kirilenko.

It's interesting how a few years ago, this was looking like one of the all-time great draft classes. But since then, Francis has fallen apart, Davis has been derailed by injuries, Odom is looking more like a role player instead of a star, and Miller hasn't been able to build on his one great season. How things change.

Another thing that's funny to me is that even Utah wasn't all that high on Kirilenko -- they passed on him just a few picks earlier to take Quincy Lewis, whoever that is. On the other hand, the Jazz's draft that year shows the true value of late first-round picks: You throw some darts at the board, and maybe one will be a good player. They had three picks (also Padgett, later on) and got one star, but that doesn't mean that they screwed up with the other two.

quincy lewis was a very good college player (minnesota or wisconsin) that just didn't pan out at the next level. in fact, he may have been big 10 player of the year.

i remember being shocked that maggette fell so far (i wanted him but thought marion was a nice consolation prize, though i was pissed at passing on maggette - then again, i was pissed on passing on john wallace for steve nash . . . yeesh).

i was also pissed that we had traded away the pick that became artest. we originally had two picks in that draft. i really like artest coming outta st. johns.

 

[abomb]

If the draft were re-done, it would be like this:

1 - Elton Brand
2 - Shawn Marion
3 - Andrei Kirilenko
4 - Ron Artest
5 - Rip Hamilton
6 - Cory Magette
7 - Baron Davis
8 - Lamar Odom
9 - Wally Szczerbiak
10 - Jason Terry
11 - Steve Francis
12 - Andre Miller

After that, everyone else is pure BS....

I like this list and order.

A-Bomb

 

[nathan]

57 San Antonio Emmanuel Ginobili

 

[Divide Et Impera]

57 San Antonio Emmanuel Ginobili

Wow. He'd probably go #6 (after Magette, before Davis) in my above scenario....

 

[nathan]

Wow. He'd probably go #6 (after Magette, before Davis) in my above scenario....

Personally, I'd prefer him to Maggette and Hamilton. He has had some nagging injuries, but he can be spectacular at time.

 

[SactownSunsFan]

57 San Antonio Emmanuel Ginobili

You know, I thought about looking through the 2nd round, just in case, but was just feeling too lazy to do so.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Round 1
# Team Name
1 CHI Elton Brand
2 VAN Steve Francis
3 CHA Baron Davis
4 LAC Lamar Odom
7 WAS Richard Hamilton
8 CLE Andre Miller
9 PHO Shawn Marion
10 ATL Jason Terry
16 CHI Ron Artest
24 UTA Andrei Kirilenko

In my opinion this should have been the top 10 picks of 99, in no particular order.

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[SactownSunsFan]

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[cly2tw]

That was quite some draft class!
Actually, Artest and Kirilenko or even Hamilton and Manu might be better for the average NBA teams than Marion, who is a much better fit for Suns than say for Pistons or Jazzs. And Kirilenko would probably be even better than Marion on this Suns team.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

i remember being shocked that maggette fell so far (i wanted him but thought marion was a nice consolation prize, though i was pissed at passing on maggette - then again, i was pissed on passing on john wallace for steve nash . . . yeesh).

I remember feeling that way to. I think that was the popular feeling among Suns fans in general. It's similar to when Dan Majerle got drafted and everyone booed. Now the guy is a cult hero...

 

[S_Nash]

And Kirilenko would probably be even better than Marion on this Suns team.

I'll agree to that

 

[Gaddabout]

On this Suns team, Kirilenko would end up guarding Tim Duncan. That's two horrifically bad injury mojos trying to fight for the same space. It just might rip open an irreversible tear in the time/space continuum, sending us into an alternate universe where offense wins championships and John McLeod's old tight perm is all the teenage rave.

That's not an exchange I'm willing to make.

 

[MastersofCombat]

What a great class of defensive players.... Marion Artest and Kirilenko are arguably 3 of the top 4 in the league.
Ill take marion cause his stats dont reflect he has never been the go to guy on the team. If I had Brand or Artest or Kirilenko it wouldnt be bad either....

9 PHO Shawn Marion -
1 CHI Elton Brand
16 CHI Ron Artest
24 UTA Andrei Kirilenko
2 VAN Steve Fran
4 LAC Lamar Odom
8 CLE Andre Miller
3 CHA Baron Davis
7 WAS Richard Hamilton
10 ATL Jason Terry

 

[Joe Mama]

quincy lewis was a very good college player (minnesota or wisconsin) that just didn't pan out at the next level. in fact, he may have been big 10 player of the year.

i was also pissed that we had traded away the pick that became artest. we originally had two picks in that draft. i really like artest coming outta st. johns.

I believe Quincy Lewis came out of Minnesota. He seemed like a good pick at the time. I'm not sure his and Kirilenko's draft positions means that the Jazz valued him any more than Kirilenko. It could be that they knew or were afraid that Lewis would be off the board if they waited to take him while they were confident Kirilenko would still be there.

Eric said the same thing I was thinking about this draft. A few years ago this looked like one of the great drafts in league history. Now it doesn't look nearly as strong since Francis has struggled, and several of the other guys have had trouble with injuries. That's one thing that makes Marion so great. He's been an Ironman for the Phoenix Suns.

Despite my disdain for the guy, I have to say that a few of you are selling Manu short here. If they redid the 99 draft I would think he'd get taken before Magette (I know I massacred his name).

Joe

 

[cly2tw]

For a team with MVP Nash on it, the order would be:

1. Brand, 2. Kirilenko/Marion (AK has not been as healthy), 4. Hamilton, 5. Artest, 6. Maggette, 7. Odom, 8. Miller, 9. Davis, 10. Francis

For a generic NBA team, in other words, for generic trade value:

1. Brand, 2. Kirilenko, 3. Artest, 4. Marion, 5. Hamilton, 6. Davis, 7. Francis, 8. Odom, 9. Miller, 10. Maggette