Is McFadden a problem?

[Divide Et Impera]

I have been completely underwhelmed with him this season and he had a HORRIBLE game yesterday save for one phenomenal play late. What do you all think?

 

[Russ Smith]

I have been completely underwhelmed with him this season and he had a HORRIBLE game yesterday save for one phenomenal play late. What do you all think?

Tough to say, they threw at DRC like 3 times the whole game. Earlier in the year people were targetting DRC, so when someone throws at McFadden the whole game you notice the mistakes more? My problem with him early on was his poor run support but he seems to have improved there of late.

I didn't like the PI call at all, someone said you're not allowed to cut off the WR but I recall for years the exact opposite was true, the DB can cut off the WR he has the right to the space if he gets there first?

 

[az1965]

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[az1965]

I didn't like the PI call at all, someone said you're not allowed to cut off the WR but I recall for years the exact opposite was true, the DB can cut off the WR he has the right to the space if he gets there first?

That was a horrendous call.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Nope.

He is an asset

 

[Catfish]

I agree with Muffin, ------ he may not be pretty to watch, but he is effective. He held up well enough to get us a W Sunday, even though he was being thrown at all day. They are learning to stay away from DRC. Thank God, McFadden is conditioned to play all day without let-up. He is tough physically, and strong enough mentally to be able to forget a bad play and come back strong again on the next one. He may not always look for the ball, but he makes me feel MUCH more comfortable than Rod Hood did last year.

 

[Shane]

You guys are crazy! Joe keeps showing you how statistically he has been our best CB all year. The guy had one bad game? So what.

DRC was beatin badly and often in the first 3 weeks. Doesnt mean a thing.

 

[Shogun]

Dude's been great this year and the Seahawks really went after him today. He's definitely an asset. Big upgrade from Rod Hood.

 

[Duckjake]

You guys are crazy! Joe keeps showing you how statistically he has been our best CB all year. The guy had one bad game? So what.

DRC was beatin badly and often in the first 3 weeks. Doesnt mean a thing.

I wouldn't be concerned if it were just a bad game but McFadden looked totally lost on several plays. Like he was a freshman CB or something. Haven't seen him look like that all year. Wilson said Seattle ran some things at the D that they hadn't seen on film so maybe McFadden was confused on some plays.

But our secondary isn't that great anyway. Only two teams have given up more passing yards than the Cards this season and that's with Carolina's 90 included.

 

[stewdog1]

But our secondary isn't that great anyway. Only two teams have given up more passing yards than the Cards this season and that's with Carolina's 90 included.

That is a bit scewed anyway due to the fact that in several games we were up by a lot and teams had to keep passing. Same goes for the rushing defense.

 

[Proteus]

That is a bit scewed anyway due to the fact that in several games we were up by a lot and teams had to keep passing. Same goes for the rushing defense.

Yah, we're 14th in opposing teams' qb rating and tied for 20th in yards per pass.

 

[Duckjake]

Yah, we're 14th in opposing teams' qb rating and tied for 20th in yards per pass.

But in two of the 4 games where opponents have thrown for over 300 yards the opponent wasn't way behind playing catch up.

Of course Manning throwing for 379 yards on 35 attempts doesn't help the overall numbers either.

 

[RedRob]

I guess my expectations have been severly lowered due to the long years of watching Cardinal football, dude seems pretty darn good to me. Yes he had a bad game but overall I think he's been a tremendous pick up.

The years between Aeneas and DRC provided some pretty dreadful CB play.

 

[phillycard]

I guess my expectations have been severly lowered due to the long years of watching Cardinal football, dude seems pretty darn good to me. Yes he had a bad game but overall I think he's been a tremendous pick up.

The years between Aeneas and DRC provided some pretty dreadful CB play.

True that, but I'd stop short at tremendous. He's no Duane Starks, but I've yelled his name in frustration a few times this season.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That was a horrendous call.

It was the right call. If he would have ran a stride or two before making contact, he wouldn't have gotten the call. He went right in front of the WR, impeding his progress. You could argue that the ball was uncatchable though.

 

[joeshmo]

	Snaps	Target	Caught	Catch %	Yards	Average	TD	QB Rating
DRC	496	67	36	53.7	541	15	6	91.7
MAC	516	64	37	57.8	467	12.6	0	80.7
Rolle	530	15	6	40	115	19.2	1	50
Wilson	520	21	14	66.7	209	14.9	2	111

Stats are how many times they have been targeted and the things they have allowed.

Note it does not include the last game, of which McFadden gave up his first TD of the season by not playing his cover 3 zone allowing the one TE TD. McFadden went to the flat which was Wilsons responsibiliy and McFadden was supposed to play the deep cover 3 zone according to coach. Admittedly a bad game. He is actually having a better year then DRC IMO. DRC has given up the most TD's of a starting CB in the NFL.

EDIT - I added Rolle and Wilson for anyone who was wondering.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

	Snaps	Target	Caught	Catch %	Yards	Average	TD	QB Rating
DRC	496	67	36	53.7	541	15	6	91.7
MAC	516	64	37	57.8	467	12.6	0	80.7
Rolle	530	15	6	40	115	19.2	1	50
Wilson	520	21	14	66.7	209	14.9	2	111

Stats are how many times they have been targeted and the things they have allowed.

Note it does not include the last game, of which McFadden gave up his first TD of the season by not playing his cover 3 zone allowing the one TE TD. McFadden went to the flat which was Wilsons responsibiliy and McFadden was supposed to play the deep cover 3 zone according to coach. Admittedly a bad game. He is actually having a better year then DRC IMO. DRC has given up the most TD's of a starting CB in the NFL.

EDIT - I added Rolle and Wilson for anyone who was wondering.

Those stats have to be wrong. Wilson allowed 2 TD's to Olsen alone and one to Carlson last week. And those are just the ones off of the top of my head. Didn't VD score against him too? Wilson has been beat by the TE all year it seems.

 

[Duckjake]

Those stats have to be wrong. Wilson allowed 2 TD's to Olsen alone and one to Carlson last week. And those are just the ones off of the top of my head. Didn't VD score against him too? Wilson has been beat by the TE all year it seems.

Maybe its because Wilson is so far out of position the stat guys didn't think he was the target?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Maybe its because Wilson is so far out of position the stat guys didn't think he was the target?

Touche' I remember now, it was Wilson who was responsible for making sure that Gore didn't score that touchdown when he walked into the end zone, not Davis. He even admitted it.

So yeah, I'm absolutely positive that Wilson has allowed more than 2 TDs this year.

 

[Shane]

Touche' I remember now, it was Wilson who was responsible for making sure that Gore didn't score that touchdown when he walked into the end zone, not Davis. He even admitted it.

So yeah, I'm absolutely positive that Wilson has allowed more than 2 TDs this year.

I swear he was covering Olsen on all 3 td's in bears game.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I swear he was covering Olsen on all 3 td's in bears game.

Olsen was right in front of me for 2 of them. Those were easy to say for sure.

 

[joeshmo]

Those stats have to be wrong. Wilson allowed 2 TD's to Olsen alone and one to Carlson last week. And those are just the ones off of the top of my head. Didn't VD score against him too? Wilson has been beat by the TE all year it seems.

First, said in my post those stats dont include the last game. Second, I stated in my post why Wilson was not at fault for the Carlson TD in the last game. Third, TD's allowed can only be tabulated when the player is actually covering the reciever. Statisticians have zero way of knowing if they were out of place or not because they dont know the scheme, thus they do not include out of position as a TD given up, no assumptions allowed jsut game tape. So Wilson giving up a TD to Gore does not count, because he was out of position. Same goes for 1 of the 3 Olsen TD's. We know it counts but stats guys cant do that.

 

[FrustratedFan04]

Big upgrade from Rod Hood.

This is the critical positive point regardless of his play sunday.

 

[40yearfan]

It was the right call. If he would have ran a stride or two before making contact, he wouldn't have gotten the call. He went right in front of the WR, impeding his progress. You could argue that the ball was uncatchable though.

Disagree. He has as much right to the ball as the WR and he had position on the WR. That was not interference.

 

[devilfan02]

Disagree. He has as much right to the ball as the WR and he had position on the WR. That was not interference.

It was PI. Mac wasn't even paying attention and clearly cut off the WR (even drew contact IIRC). The ball wasn't even in the vacinity so his "right to the ball" theory goes out the window. If anything, that ball should have been ruled uncatchable.

Mac had no clue where the ball was, it was a bad play on his part