Is McNabb finished?

[lobo]

or even NE.

JMHO

In face of team's fiasco i gotta' good laugh out of this line...don't take it personally it just struck me funny....

 

[john h]

I wanted to ask this question: Will Mcnabb accept to come here?
we are talking as if it's a lock.
we passed on him last year. how is he gonna feel about it? like you weren't worth the price asked

There is a lot of talk on the board about McNabb. Is there any real concrete information that there is anything at all going on between the Cards and Washington about McNabb? Is this talk about him just wishful thinking? I suspect it is and we are just wasting our time with these discussions.

 

[Sandan]

with our roster we win the superbowl with vick....

I would rather lose without him

 

[john h]

I think Whisenhunt would have to change his offense to suit McNabbs strengths, he hasn't changed his offense for the QBs we have now to cover for their weaknesses so I am not so sure he would do that.

McNabb is average at best in the short to intermediate passing game, he just isn't accurate enough. He isn't as mobile as he once was--not even close and from what I have watched the past few weeks (living in Wash DC right now and all) I think his pocket presence isn't what it once was.

All that being said he is light years better than what we currently have.

I have no idea at all how McNabb would do here in AZ but surely he far better than anything we have. When we signed Warner a lot of posters thought we were foolish and that Warner was washed up and injury prone. When I watched McNabb last week I saw him pull the ball down and run straight up the middle for 20-30 yards. He sure looked like his wheels were working real well. Could he be our next Warner? Why not? Jerry Jones will be looking for QB and I would not rule him out as having already discussed him with Washington. The Vikings will be looking for a QB next year. Seattles QB is starting to show signs of age. I do not know if there backup is any good or not.

 

[john h]

Agreed. He is a like a more accurate Derek Anderson. Not the best scenario but the talent is here that a little better would be enough, IMO.

He still is a threat to run the ball effectively which changes a lot of things for the defense.

 

[titan]

i still think the point is if we had a half way decent qb and with our receivers what a difference that would be. watching the games you see fitz wide open or steve or early. if the qb did his check downs and could throw the ball, wow. max is all over the place and da throws a 10 yard pass likes he throwing a 40 yarder, way to hard. to see the fustration on the wr's faces when it over thrown or under or behind them or not even thrown to them. do we bring someone in? i don't know but this sure is hard to watch as a fan when we have all this talent.

 

[vinnymac]

Many on the Board including me favored signing McNabb this past off season and some hope that he becomes a free agent and we sign him next year.
He really is struggling with the Redskins this year. Some question his smarts and some his lack of conditioning. Many here still think he will be better than what we have but I just wonder if his best days are behind him. Shanahan is no dummy when it comes to QBs. He was a quality OC before he became an effective HC. He seems to have given up on McNabb.
At best case, he would be a short term solution for the Cards and the worst case a waste of money on an aging QB that no longer has it.

We all know the Cards need to address the qb situation but McNabb could be a big mistake.

I am going to have to disagree with this comment on shanahan. Shanahan won with John Elway and a great running game. Even with Elway he didn't have nothing to do with Elway greatness. Elway was great before Shanahan. After Elway, Shanahan couldn't groom a qb to win a championship. Those are facts. I am not a big McNabb fan because of all the pouting he has done in the past. McNabb is a winner. McNabb took his team to the Nfc championship 3 times without a good running game or wr. When McNabb and Terrel Owens were teammates he took his team to the Super bowl. He is a pretty good Qb. As far as McNabb not being accurate, he was pretty accurate when he threw 4 touchdown againist the Cardinals with a banged up leg. How many people suffered watching that game besides me.

 

[sportznutt]

Many on the Board including me favored signing McNabb this past off season and some hope that he becomes a free agent and we sign him next year.
He really is struggling with the Redskins this year. Some question his smarts and some his lack of conditioning. Many here still think he will be better than what we have but I just wonder if his best days are behind him. Shanahan is no dummy when it comes to QBs. He was a quality OC before he became an effective HC. He seems to have given up on McNabb.
At best case, he would be a short term solution for the Cards and the worst case a waste of money on an aging QB that no longer has it.

We all know the Cards need to address the qb situation but McNabb could be a big mistake.

Other thoughts?

The same questions we all aksed about Warner.

 

[Mitch]

The same questions we all aksed about Warner.

Precisely.

McNabb was the right fit...still is.

 

[Zeno]

Precisely.

McNabb was the right fit...still is.

In this offense? I am not so sure. If I could count on Whisenhunt adjusting his offense to the QB I could buy in to it but we haven't seen that from him so far.

McNabb played in the same offense his entire career in Philly, he goes to Washington and he struggles in a new offense. An offense that Jake Plummer of all people ran pretty effectively I might add. He is struggling this year only 2 games with 60% and only 3 games over 250 yds passing and no games with multiple TD passes.

There is no argument he is better than what we have but to say he is the right fit for this team with the offense we run I am not so sure.

 

[Mitch]

In this offense? I am not so sure. If I could count on Whisenhunt adjusting his offense to the QB I could buy in to it but we haven't seen that from him so far.

McNabb played in the same offense his entire career in Philly, he goes to Washington and he struggles in a new offense. An offense that Jake Plummer of all people ran pretty effectively I might add. He is struggling this year only 2 games with 60% and only 3 games over 250 yds passing and no games with multiple TD passes.

There is no argument he is better than what we have but to say he is the right fit for this team with the offense we run I am not so sure.

McNabb can still throw the ball 65 yards flat-footed. He's still reasonably mobile. If the Cards get him, imo, barring injury, it's a sure Pro Bowl trio in McNabb, Fitz and Breaston.

Shanahan is a dick. Always will be.

 

[kerouac9]

Remember that his home is here in Phoenix and also that he never had wrs in Philadelphia like he would have here but what will happen.

We disagree.

Sincerely,

DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin.

Also, Steve Breason is probably not going to be wearing an Arizona Cardinals uniform next year. I think we should get used to that. He's going to get more than 5 years, $40 million from some team, and maybe justifiably so. So if you think that Larry Fitzgerald and Early Doucet (the latter for one quarter every two or three weeks) are going to be an enticement to Donovan McNabb, more power to you.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think Orton is one of the more underrated QBs in the NFL. He isn't flashy but the guy is solid...we'd be a playoff team with him and run away with the division. Whether or not we'd go far in the post season that is another matter but he is exactly the type of QB we could use.

+1

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Also, Steve Breason is probably not going to be wearing an Arizona Cardinals uniform next year. I think we should get used to that.

Can I blindly say you are wrong, and live in denial till I see it happen anyway ?

 

[kerouac9]

Can I blindly say you are wrong, and live in denial till I see it happen anyway ?

Sure. Just prepare yourself for the eventuality. Steel yourself for it. Wasn't it you who was told over the phone by Michael Bidwill that Anquan Boldin was going to be a Cardinal for life? How'd that work out?

The Cards aren't going to pay two WRs a combined $22 million per year for the next half-decade.

 

[Buckybird]

The Cards aren't going to pay two WRs a combined $22 million per year for the next half-decade.

Exactly K9.

Once again the FO waits & waits...possibly costing them 2 players (Boldin & Breaston) when they could have kept at least one cheaper by being proactive!!! But, that's just how we operate. Hopefully the same thing doesn't play out with #11, but very likely could happen, given the teams refusal to keep the franchise tag on him

Didn't most people here think it was impossible Pace & Dansby wouldn't see the contracts & $$$ they received. The Cards are the minor league club for many teams needs in FA.

 

[kerouac9]

Exactly K9.

Once again the FO waits & waits...possibly costing them 2 players (Boldin & Breaston) when they could have kept at least one cheaper by being proactive!!! But, that's just how we operate. Hopefully the same thing doesn't play out with #11, but very likely could happen, given the teams refusal to keep the franchise tag on him

Didn't most people here think it was impossible Pace & Dansby wouldn't see the contracts & $$$ they received. The Cards are the minor league club for many teams needs in FA.

I'm not saying that the FO is being cheap. I think that Breaston is absolutely worth 5 years, $40 million (which is close to what he's going to be getting). And Fitzgerald is absolutely going to be worth 5 years, $55 million in two years. The problem is that you just can't put that money into the WR position on any team in the NFL. You can't.

Breaston has been a revelation this season--when healthy. He's a better fit for the offense that Whis seems to want to run than Fitz is. But we can't let the face of the franchise leave when the next-best guy took a shower on the internet this summer.

 

[Cardiac]

McNabb is 6th so far this year in passing yards. His QB rating is with a 76 QB rating.
In 09 McNabb finished with 3553 passing yards, a 92.9 QB rating, 60% completion and 22 TD's 10 picks. I don't think he is washed up. I think he is in a bit of a funk because he got dumped (traded) by Reid.

As K9 posted the Eagles had a very very good group of WR's (albeit young) last year.

Why Philly fans got frustrated with McNabb is that he is a serial worm killer. To many passes thrown in the dirt at times. He is kinda like DA in that he misses big when he does miss. He has a bad habit with his footwork at times which will cause him to be inacurate.

I didn't want to give up a 2nd rd pick and more for him either. If he hits FA next year then he is on my short list along with Bulger.

For those saying we would be 6-1 with Vick, you do realize he as not played for 3 weeks now due to injury. You know the same thing that happened with him in Atlanta a couple of times because he is a skinny dude who throws his body around.

I have been a Cards fan since the early 70's and have never thought about not being a fan. I would rather watch DA then have Vick on my team.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Sure. Just prepare yourself for the eventuality. Steel yourself for it. Wasn't it you who was told over the phone by Michael Bidwill that Anquan Boldin was going to be a Cardinal for life? How'd that work out?

I can be in denial and prepare myself at the same time. It will all have to come crashing down.

As for Boldin, there is no need to open up that wound. Again, I chose the blinders and denial. But in truth I had to "act" surprised when Boldin left.

It is a business of course. Just flippin' hate to see players that I enjoy watching go.

Breaston is by far my favorite player right now.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I'm not saying that the FO is being cheap. I think that Breaston is absolutely worth 5 years, $40 million (which is close to what he's going to be getting). And Fitzgerald is absolutely going to be worth 5 years, $55 million in two years. The problem is that you just can't put that money into the WR position on any team in the NFL. You can't.

Breaston has been a revelation this season--when healthy. He's a better fit for the offense that Whis seems to want to run than Fitz is. But we can't let the face of the franchise leave when the next-best guy took a shower on the internet this summer.

+1 on all points.

Now I will return to fantasy land.

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[JeffGollin]

After his benching, my secret hope of hopes was that - if a trade was still do-able - the Skins would trade McNabb to us.

Not that he's a panacae (he does look a bit gray, may not be in tip-top shape, doesn't know our offense etc.)...but looking at our situation coldly and objectively, I think McNabb would be enough of an improvement over Anderson and Hall to give us a better-than-decent shot at making the playoffs.

I get the comparison with Warner, but I don't think acquiring McNabb would be one of those franchise-building moves, but instead more of a band-aid.

(but enough of a band-aid to salvage our season - and if he had more to give us, it would be icing on the cake).

 

[CardLogic]

Agree with everything you said. I equate McNabb with some of the guys my girlfriends and I meet ... he ain't Mr. Right, but he's Mr. Right Now.

Great phrase.

 

[Jersey Girl]

YOu don't want Kyle Orton? You're insane.

I'd take him in a freaking heartbeat.

He broke my heart way too many times in Chi-town, its probably just a personal sensitive issue I suffer from.

Glad to hear that. I was about to write you off.

 

[desertdawg]

I'd take him in a freaking heartbeat.



Glad to hear that. I was about to write you off.

I could live with Orton...again. He is a lot better now than he was with da bears. I can see play offs with him here.