Is the draft terrible for is if we don't get Zion? Morant might be just as good for us.

[1Sun]

If Oubre continues to play like he has 80m is very likely.

I think most everyone would agree a vet PG is the way to go. If you can't land one and don't have the #1, Morant it is.

And at least 3-4 more years of the dumpster fire we have endured this season it will be...

 

[JCSunsfan]

If Oubre continues to play like he has 80m is very likely.

I think most everyone would agree a vet PG is the way to go. If you can't land one and don't have the #1, Morant it is.

And I am racking my brain trying to figure a vet pg option.

Sign Rubio. But that is a bit underwhelming.
Trade for Jrue. Who knows if that is even possible?
Try for Brogdon or Rozier as UFA? We might get Brogdon with a $4/64 offer, but that is $16 million of our cap. I suppose getting Brogdon alone and keeping everyone else on our roster that we want to keep, and adding our first round pick (Zion or Ja?) would not be a bad summer. I would even consider giving Milwaukee their pick back NOT to match.

So, here is an honest question. How much better is Brogdon than Tyler?

 

[Sunburn]

The cap is projected to be at 109 mil next season. If we stretch Tyler we'll be about 40 million under the cap. No stretch, we'll be about 28 mil under.

 

[Sunburn]

And I am racking my brain trying to figure a vet pg option.

Sign Rubio. But that is a bit underwhelming.
Trade for Jrue. Who knows if that is even possible?
Try for Brogdon or Rozier as UFA? We might get Brogdon with a $4/64 offer, but that is $16 million of our cap. I suppose getting Brogdon alone and keeping everyone else on our roster that we want to keep, and adding our first round pick (Zion or Ja?) would not be a bad summer. I would even consider giving Milwaukee their pick back NOT to match.

So, here is an honest question. How much better is Brogdon than Tyler?

Based solely on their advanced stats this year, he's a lot better. Prior to this year it was substantially closer.

 

[taz02]

Just looking at the stats Brogdon has improved each season, PPG, FG%, FT%, and Rebounds. I agree Brogdon, Zion and Oubre' would be a good haul for the summer.

Holliday is going to cost us our pick.

 

[1Sun]

And I am racking my brain trying to figure a vet pg option.

Sign Rubio. But that is a bit underwhelming.
Trade for Jrue. Who knows if that is even possible?
Try for Brogdon or Rozier as UFA? We might get Brogdon with a $4/64 offer, but that is $16 million of our cap. I suppose getting Brogdon alone and keeping everyone else on our roster that we want to keep, and adding our first round pick (Zion or Ja?) would not be a bad summer. I would even consider giving Milwaukee their pick back NOT to match.

So, here is an honest question. How much better is Brogdon than Tyler?

Brogdon is at least 10 times better than Tyler. Brogdon is quite capable of playing the point at least at an average NBA level. Tyler at the point would be by far the worst starting point guard in the NBA. For the last time, in no universe is Tyler Johnson a point guard. He is a mediocre back-up shooting guard, nothing more.

 

[Sunburn]

Just looking at the stats Brogdon has improved each season, PPG, FG%, FT%, and Rebounds. I agree Brogdon, Zion and Oubre' would be a good haul for the summer.

Holliday is going to cost us our pick.

Lol, Zion alone would be a transformational haul. All of that, I could not express in words.

 

[SunnyBaller]

And I am racking my brain trying to figure a vet pg option.

Sign Rubio. But that is a bit underwhelming.
Trade for Jrue. Who knows if that is even possible?
Try for Brogdon or Rozier as UFA? We might get Brogdon with a $4/64 offer, but that is $16 million of our cap. I suppose getting Brogdon alone and keeping everyone else on our roster that we want to keep, and adding our first round pick (Zion or Ja?) would not be a bad summer. I would even consider giving Milwaukee their pick back NOT to match.

So, here is an honest question. How much better is Brogdon than Tyler?

Rubio has been awful this year definitely don't want him , Brogdon is way better than Tyler that's not even a debate but not sure we can get him unless they make quite a few moves this offseason to free up space

 

[Sunburn]

Rubio has been awful this year definitely don't want him , Brogdon is way better than Tyler that's not even a debate but not sure we can get him unless they make quite a few moves this offseason to free up space

The cap is projected to be at 109 mil next season. If we stretch Tyler we'll be about 40 million under the cap. No stretch, we'll be about 28 mil under.

 

[SunnyBaller]

I'm not saying there aren't simple solutions to get enough space but I expect them to get get oubre first and then try to out bid other teams for Brogdon could well be all that 40 mil just for those two

 

[taz02]

Can we sign Oubre after we use our cap space. I thought he had a 10m hold or something

 

[Sunburn]

Can we sign Oubre after we use our cap space. I thought he had a 10m hold or something

I believe so. Since he is already a part of our roster, we are allowed to go over the cap to retain him as long as we have his bird rights. I'm assuming those came with him in the trade.

 

[SirStefan32]

Just looking at the stats Brogdon has improved each season, PPG, FG%, FT%, and Rebounds. I agree Brogdon, Zion and Oubre' would be a good haul for the summer.

Holliday is going to cost us our pick.

If it's not #1, then so be it. Best defensive point guard who is also competent offensively is exactly what the Suns need. I'd be fine with trading our pick along with the Bucks pick, Warren, and whatever else to make the salaries work.

If I am Jones, I am not getting wrapped up into restricted free agency. You tie up your money and free agents are gone by the time the other team matches. Trade for Holiday. If that doesn't work, sign Rubio or Collison. Both of them are competent enough to make it work.

 

[1Sun]

If it's not #1, then so be it. Best defensive point guard who is also competent offensively is exactly what the Suns need. I'd be fine with trading our pick along with the Bucks pick, Warren, and whatever else to make the salaries work.

If I am Jones, I am not getting wrapped up into restricted free agency. You tie up your money and free agents are gone by the time the other team matches. Trade for Holiday. If that doesn't work, sign Rubio or Collison. Both of them are competent enough to make it work.

Collison, yes. Rubio, no thanks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The cap is projected to be at 109 mil next season. If we stretch Tyler we'll be about 40 million under the cap. No stretch, we'll be about 28 mil under.

This seems to be the best cap info I can find. It is quite thorough.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/cap/2019/

It has our practical cap space next summer at $26,660. But that does not include

1. a cap hold for our first rounder ($9 million)
2. a cap hold for oubre ($9 million)
3. Stretch for Johnson (-$11 million)

I do not see any reasonable way we get to $40 million. I will be happy if you are right and I am wrong, of course.

 

[Chaplin]

I believe so. Since he is already a part of our roster, we are allowed to go over the cap to retain him as long as we have his bird rights. I'm assuming those came with him in the trade.

It’s my understanding that we do NOT have Oubres bird rights, but we do have Holmes’.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yes we get it you don't like morant, other people like him because he is one of the fastest most athletic players in all of college basketball who also plays the biggest position of need for the sun's, and unlike the comparisons you're always saying he's actually a good passer and finisher , shooting needs some work but no draft prospect is ever perfect

Taking players based on athleticism and speed alone is ways a bad idea. They can get by that at the college level but once they get to the NBA, they are no longer the most athletic or fastest and they suffer because of it.

I’m not a fan of Morant. Doesn’t have actual skill sets (3pt shooting, ball security, ball handling, assist to turnover ratio etc) and people fall in love with his athleticism and size imo. Reminds me a lot of Colin Sexton who I thought was pretty overrated as well.

 

[Sunburn]

It’s my understanding that we do NOT have Oubres bird rights, but we do have Holmes’.

Well poo

 

[SunnyBaller]

Taking players based on athleticism and speed alone is ways a bad idea. They can get by that at the college level but once they get to the NBA, they are no longer the most athletic or fastest and they suffer because of it.

I’m not a fan of Morant. Doesn’t have actual skill sets (3pt shooting, ball security, ball handling, assist to turnover ratio etc) and people fall in love with his athleticism and size imo. Reminds me a lot of Colin Sexton who I thought was pretty overrated as well.

Its not just him being athletic he has alot of tools to be a successful point guard , he has good handles great vision and passing , I understand the 3pt shooting worry but he's more of a driving point guard. I also don't think the turnover assist ratio which isn't even bad is a big deal since he literally handles the ball the entire game and is their main and only playmaker (several games he played all 40 minutes) I don't think the Colin Sexton comparison is even close honestly because Colin is and was clearly more of a sg than pg but it's a better comp than say the Canaan comp that's been thrown out

 

[Sunburn]

This seems to be the best cap info I can find. It is quite thorough.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/phoenix-suns/cap/2019/

It has our practical cap space next summer at $26,660. But that does not include

1. a cap hold for our first rounder ($9 million)
2. a cap hold for oubre ($9 million)
3. Stretch for Johnson (-$11 million)

I do not see any reasonable way we get to $40 million. I will be happy if you are right and I am wrong, of course.

You're right. I did not account for the cap holds. I'm assuming we're going to use that 9 million to resign oubre. Subtracting the 9 mil for the first rounder from the total (including oubre's cap hold and Tyler's stretch), that leaves us 29 mil for Oubre and other free agents. If we match oubre at 18 mil per, that leaves us 11 mil for additional free agents. I would like to resign Holmes. Perhaps it makes more sense to keep Johnson at that point if we don't get Morant in the draft.

 

[slinslin]

It’s my understanding that we do NOT have Oubres bird rights, but we do have Holmes’.

We have Oubres rights


We wont have capspace if we keep Oubre

Our entire capspace hinges on declining Oubre, Daniels and stretching Johnson or making other trades.

Most likely we will only have the MLE and Bi-annual.

 

[Chaplin]

We have Oubres rights


We wont have capspace if we keep Oubre

Our entire capspace hinges on declining Oubre, Daniels and stretching Johnson or making other trades.

Most likely we will only have the MLE and Bi-annual.

I heard Holmes is the only one we can wait on to sign over the cap, not Oubre. Where's your source?

 

[slinslin]

That is how the NBA works, we have Oubres rights that is why his 10m$ caphold is on our cap.

Oubre is also restricted allowing the Suns to simply match any offer he may get.

It is also possible Oubre takes the qualifying offer to be unrestricted in 2020.

 

[Chaplin]

That is how the NBA works, we have Oubres rights that is why his 10m$ caphold is on our cap.

Oubre is also restricted allowing the Suns to simply match any offer he may get.

It is also possible Oubre takes the qualifying offer to be unrestricted in 2020.

Right, but because we have Holmes' Bird Rights, he's the only one we can sign after we sign other players because with Holmes we can go over the cap.

It's a conversation, no need to be a complete jerk all the time.

 

[SirStefan32]

They should have about $20M to work with before the first-round pick cap hold, so basically $10M or so, assuming the cap goes up to $109M. They can waive and stretch Johnson if push comes to shove.