Is Their A Chance JJ Could Stay In PHX?

[Cardinal Red]

Just wandering. I hear all this stuff about going, not going, doesnt want to, etc.

 

[ActingWild]

I've done a lot of wandering myself but I haven't come across anything in my travels that gives me any inclination on what may happen.

 

[asudevil83]

i would rather him be gone. there is absolutley no sense in having him here if either side isnt going to be happy with it.

as far as i'm concerned, JJ burned just about every bridge out there with the suns. the owner HATES him, the gm HATES him, Amare/Nash/Marion cant be too thrilled about some of the comments directed towards them in the media. and i, as a fan (and i know i'm not the only one), really dont like the guy.

he's best be gone, because quite frankly i think NOW we might be WORSE off in terms of chemistry if he were to end up staying.

and IF the hawks were for some reason to back out of this deal then the suns should look to S&T the guy. i DONT want JJ here. he's a foolish fool.

and dont get me wrong, i'm not putting all the blame on JJ, but quite frankly there is PLENTY of blame to go around.....and he deserves every bit of hate and ridicule he gets from fans.

 

[Bada0Bing]

he's best be gone, because quite frankly i think NOW we might be WORSE off in terms of chemistry if he were to end up staying.

and IF the hawks were for some reason to back out of this deal then the suns should look to S&T the guy. i DONT want JJ here. he's a foolish fool.

and dont get me wrong, i'm not putting all the blame on JJ, but quite frankly there is PLENTY of blame to go around.....and he deserves every bit of hate and ridicule he gets from fans.

Apparently you've been watching too much Stephen A. Smith, quite frankly.

 

[Mainstreet]

i would rather him be gone. there is absolutley no sense in having him here if either side isnt going to be happy with it.

as far as i'm concerned, JJ burned just about every bridge out there with the suns. the owner HATES him, the gm HATES him, Amare/Nash/Marion cant be too thrilled about some of the comments directed towards them in the media. and i, as a fan (and i know i'm not the only one), really dont like the guy.

he's best be gone, because quite frankly i think NOW we might be WORSE off in terms of chemistry if he were to end up staying.

and IF the hawks were for some reason to back out of this deal then the suns should look to S&T the guy. i DONT want JJ here. he's a foolish fool.

and dont get me wrong, i'm not putting all the blame on JJ, but quite frankly there is PLENTY of blame to go around.....and he deserves every bit of hate and ridicule he gets from fans.

The only way I see Phoenix would keep JJ is if he signs an offer sheet with Atlanta; then Phoenix would have to match or let him walk without compensation.

I would not let JJ walk without compensation under any circumstances. I would then match Atlanta's offer and worry about the luxury tax implications later.

I'm tired of other teams working the Suns over. IMO, the more likely scenario if Atlanta backed out, is that JJ would be used in a sign and trade with another team.

Again, Phoenix cannot blink in regards to their intention to match JJ unless a sign and trade is completed.

 

[asudevil83]

Apparently you've been watching too much Stephen A. Smith, quite frankly.

quite frankly, i do as much as i quite frankly can to avoid that ass hat. and quite frankly......well quite frankly.

and "quite frankly" has lost absolutly all meaning after saying it that many times.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

The only way I see Phoenix would keep JJ is if he signs an offer sheet with Atlanta; then Phoenix would have to match or let him walk without compensation.

I would not let JJ walk without compensation under any circumstances. I would then match Atlanta's offer and worry about the luxury tax implications later.

I'm tired of other teams working the Suns over. IMO, the more likely scenario if Atlanta backed out, is that JJ would be used in a sign and trade with another team.

Again, Phoenix cannot blink in regards to their intention to match JJ unless a sign and trade is completed.

whoa whoa got worked over? dude from the post I am seeing on this board Diaiiwzor for JJ straight up is a steal, HELLO WE GOT TWO LOTTERY PROTECTED PICKS!! I can't wait to see this guy Dolke...maybe all that MVP talk for Amare was a little premature!

 

[Yuma]

Best case for me is if Atlanta steps all over themselves, and then the Suns get JJ cheap, even cheaper than the 6 year $60 million they offered lately! Although, that's probably market rate. If we got him back at 6 years $50 million, that would be poetic justice!

 

[F-Dog]

Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind at all if the deal fell through, the Hawks made their offer (hopefully without a big up-front payment), and the Suns matched--which they would almost be forced to do, if the Hawks welshed on the S&T.

The Suns could tell Joe they would keep him for a year, make a run at the ring, and work with him on a trade next summer. The better he plays this year, the better chance he has of getting traded.



"Hey Joe, if you want to be some team's point guard, you're going to have to learn how to pass the ball on a pick-and-roll..."

 

[KloD]

Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind at all if the deal fell through, the Hawks made their offer (hopefully without a big up-front payment), and the Suns matched--which they would almost be forced to do, if the Hawks welshed on the S&T.

The Suns could tell Joe they would keep him for a year, make a run at the ring, and work with him on a trade next summer. The better he plays this year, the better chance he has of getting traded.



"Hey Joe, if you want to be some team's point guard, you're going to have to learn how to pass the ball on a pick-and-roll..."

Doesn't the upfront money make it bad for us to trade him? I mean we pay him a large chunk and then what is his salary in the second year? He comes back and I believe that will force the Suns to trade Marion after next season.

 

[Mainstreet]

whoa whoa got worked over? dude from the post I am seeing on this board Diaiiwzor for JJ straight up is a steal, HELLO WE GOT TWO LOTTERY PROTECTED PICKS!! I can't wait to see this guy Dolke...maybe all that MVP talk for Amare was a little premature!

I was responding to the thread question:

Is Their A Chance JJ Could Stay In PHX?


I guess I'm not sure where you are going.

I knew the Suns were going to inevitably lose JJ or Marion because of the luxury tax since last year. If the Suns had to lose JJ, all I wanted from the Suns is get some equitable compensation and not to let him walk with nothing in return.

I think the proposed compensation the Suns received from Atlanta is about the best they're going to get from that team. It may be even now that the Hawks are getting cold feet.

Frankly, I wish there was a way the Suns could keep JJ, but he and his agent would have to sit down with the Suns and negotiate with the idea of not breaking up the team any further.

JJ wanted out of Phoenix. Read ESPN if you don't believe me.

 

[F-Dog]

Doesn't the upfront money make it bad for us to trade him? I mean we pay him a large chunk and then what is his salary in the second year? He comes back and I believe that will force the Suns to trade Marion after next season.

It would make it expensive to trade him, but it wouldn't have any impact cap- or luxury tax-wise.

The good news would be, if Sarver was willing to bite the bullet, match, then trade Joe J next year, the Suns would probably get more back in trade, because they would have (in effect) paid a portion of his future salary.

 

[KloD]

It would make it expensive to trade him, but it wouldn't have any impact cap- or luxury tax-wise.

The good news would be, if Sarver was willing to bite the bullet, match, then trade Joe J next year, the Suns would probably get more back in trade, because they would have (in effect) paid a portion of his future salary.

But would we get a "fair" return. If he is given this chunk up front, wouldn't his salary be less than in a normal contract with the what 10% raise? So we pay him 25m next year and trade him for what falls within the guidelines the next. No thanks, that is an aweful lot of money to keep him one year, I think the Suns will feel the same. I'd rather trade him this year without paying that money even though it does not count. It's very bad business IMO.

 

[F-Dog]

But would we get a "fair" return. If he is given this chunk up front, wouldn't his salary be less than in a normal contract with the what 10% raise? So we pay him 25m next year and trade him for what falls within the guidelines the next. No thanks, that is an aweful lot of money to keep him one year, I think the Suns will feel the same. I'd rather trade him this year without paying that money even though it does not count. It's very bad business IMO.

The Suns apparently feel the same way.

The problem is, Atlanta's S&T offer is apparently off the table, so they might have to choose between trading Joe next year or letting him go right now, without compensation.

 

[KloD]

The Suns apparently feel the same way.

The problem is, Atlanta's S&T offer is apparently off the table, so they might have to choose between trading Joe next year or letting him go right now, without compensation.

It's a frustrating situation, but I'd rather let him go for nothing than to force Marion out next season. I don't know, why can't things work out as planned...

 

[myrondizzo]

The Suns apparently feel the same way.

The problem is, Atlanta's S&T offer is apparently off the table, so they might have to choose between trading Joe next year or letting him go right now, without compensation.

Did atlanta really pull there S&T offer?

 

[Mainstreet]

It would make it expensive to trade him, but it wouldn't have any impact cap- or luxury tax-wise.

The good news would be, if Sarver was willing to bite the bullet, match, then trade Joe J next year, the Suns would probably get more back in trade, because they would have (in effect) paid a portion of his future salary.

The bottom line, it would utimately be too expensive to let JJ walk for nothing without compensation. So they need to match if Atlanta will not do a sign and trade. The Suns would have to worry about the consequences later.

I'm sure the Suns would ultimately have to lose some salary in the next year or two, and may be forced to keep JJ to get full value out of him.

The bottom line is, that the Suns cannot let a bottom dweller walk over them. The Suns can look at sign and trade scenarios later and I believe ultimately recoup much of their money, at least in talent.

Good teams do not just let young talent walk.

 

[Nash to Amare]

I think you have to blame some of this on the owner. He had his chance last year to sign Joe Johnson long term but didn't do it. Now his mistake could cause us the championship.

 

[George O'Brien]

I'm unclear where the deal stands or doesn't. If Atlanta backs out, has JJ agreed to anything?

If the Hawks backed out, I'm not sure the case for S&T is all that great. Unless the other team is well below the salary cap, the base year problem rears its ugly head when trying to match up salaries.

A Suns counter offer of $75 for six with no front loading might resolve JJ's problems, but would not eliminate the Suns luxury tax problems a year from now. However, at least the Suns could do trades without the BYC problem.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think you have to blame some of this on the owner. He had his chance last year to sign Joe Johnson long term but didn't do it. Now his mistake could cause us the championship.

There's enough blame to go around. I really believe if JJ and his agent had talked to Sarver and the Suns management from the beginning this could have all been negotiated.

Unfortunately, JJ and his agent wanted to play hardball. Sarver has already admitted he made a mistake in not signing JJ to a 50-55 million dollar extension last year.

Things get out of control very quickly when parties quit talking (see McDyess), which happened with JJ when he chose not to talk to the Suns.

It's really unfortunate and I firmly believe this situation could have been advoided. That's what is so sad.

 

[Mainstreet]

A Suns counter offer of $75 for six with no front loading might resolve JJ's problems, but would not eliminate the Suns luxury tax problems a year from now. However, at least the Suns could do trades without the BYC problem.

If this option were still on the table, I think JJ would snap it up now considering what is happening in Atlanta.

It would require considerable fence mending by JJ and his agent.

Perhaps the damage is irreversible so a sign and trade with another team might be the best choice for the Suns and JJ now.

I think the Suns previously would have been willing to wait to address the luxury tax issue until next year.

 

[cly2tw]

I'm unclear where the deal stands or doesn't. If Atlanta backs out, has JJ agreed to anything?

If the Hawks backed out, I'm not sure the case for S&T is all that great. Unless the other team is well below the salary cap, the base year problem rears its ugly head when trying to match up salaries.

A Suns counter offer of $75 for six with no front loading might resolve JJ's problems, but would not eliminate the Suns luxury tax problems a year from now. However, at least the Suns could do trades without the BYC problem.

If Hawks could pull out, we'd be fxxxed. At this stage, we don't want Joe back and we are in not so good negotiation position. Remotely, GS might listen to a JR for Joe and pick deal.
But I really don't think the league would allow Hawks get away with it without any punishment. So, ultimately, I expect the deal to go through as reported.

 

[Cardinal Red]

damn

 

[JCSunsfan]

Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind at all if the deal fell through, the Hawks made their offer (hopefully without a big up-front payment), and the Suns matched--which they would almost be forced to do, if the Hawks welshed on the S&T.

The Suns could tell Joe they would keep him for a year, make a run at the ring, and work with him on a trade next summer. The better he plays this year, the better chance he has of getting traded.



"Hey Joe, if you want to be some team's point guard, you're going to have to learn how to pass the ball on a pick-and-roll..."

If JJ signs a max deal, he will be virtually untradeable in a year. Its above his real market value. The Hawks are overpaying because they are such a sorry franchise.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think you have to blame some of this on the owner. He had his chance last year to sign Joe Johnson long term but didn't do it. Now his mistake could cause us the championship.

Sarver has already said he should have signed JJ last fall. People make mistakes, move on. JJ is a twit to be burned about it.