Is This A Reversion to the D'Antoni System?

[Irish]

The Suns are going up tempo, so immediately there is a claim that Porter has given up and reverted to the D'Antoni system.

I'm not convinced.

Last night, Shaq played 35 minutes, had 12 rebounds and 23 points on a night whan Amare scored 21 points and had 14 boards. Shaq had four assists while Amare had 2 as did Barnes and Barbosa. They certainly pushed the ball and had 22 three point attempts with the addition of J-Rich; but this was still a team that attacked the basket a lot more than last year's team did.

So while this team is playing more to its strengths, this is not a D'Antoni style team. Porter has not YET tried a classic D'Antoni style lineup such as:

C- Stoudemire
PF - Barnes
SF - J-Rich
SG - Barbosa
PG - Nash

Let opponents pack the paint against THAT lineup.

 

[JCSunsfan]

There IS an adjustment going on though. The reigns are loosening. It shows something about Porter. He is willing to listen to mgmt or players or both, consider and adjust. While the jury is clearly still out on Porter, that goes down as a mark in the positive column.

 

[elindholm]

Porter has not YET tried a classic D'Antoni style lineup such as:

C- Stoudemire
PF - Barnes
SF - J-Rich
SG - Barbosa
PG - Nash

Are you sure? I've seen lineups with Stoudemire and Barnes at the power positions in each of the last two games. Maybe Hill has always been out there too, but that's a nuance -- it's still a D'Antoni lineup. Barnes is even less of a PF than Marion.

 

[Maligzar]

If this was a D"Antoni style system, we would have beat the Knicks by 20, Nash would have played less than 35 minutes, Shaq less than 30, and you can bet our bench would have been used more.

Terry Porter is nothing except an instrument of Steve Kerr. IF the Suns start to struggle to be surprised when Kerr replaces Porter as head coach.

 

[DeAnna]

Well, it's been pretty obvious of late. Porter is finally figuring out why D'Antoni played a short bench. The starters are better players period, plus they get into a better rhythm the longer they play.

 

[AceP]

Sorry, but Barnes was used as PF by Don Nelson a lot. And J.Rich is also from GSW. Does it mean Terry Porter is using Don Nelson's system?

Does Mike D'Antoni have a registered patent on small ball? He is not the first to use 6-7 athletic wing player at PF. Dont try to take credit away from Porter just because he play small ball sometimes, too.

 

[nowagimp]

With ticket sales lagging in a tough economy, I suspect sarver told kerr to tell porter to run, run, run.

 

[nowagimp]

Are you sure? I've seen lineups with Stoudemire and Barnes at the power positions in each of the last two games. Maybe Hill has always been out there too, but that's a nuance -- it's still a D'Antoni lineup. Barnes is even less of a PF than Marion.

ditto

 

[JustinD]

seems like they are finding a great balance between running some of the time and tossing it inside to shaq or amare some of the time....

 

[JCSunsfan]

If this was a D"Antoni style system, we would have beat the Knicks by 20, Nash would have played less than 35 minutes, Shaq less than 30, and you can bet our bench would have been used more.

Terry Porter is nothing except an instrument of Steve Kerr. IF the Suns start to struggle to be surprised when Kerr replaces Porter as head coach.

Here it comes again. There always has to be a message board whipping boy, and now Terry Porter is it.

It was Banks, but he got traded, then everyone ripped Diaw. Now it is Porter (as Kerrs proxy no doubt). Why don't we just all rip the owner for a while and leave the coach alone. After all, we're going to have Sarver around for a long time, and there is plenty not to like about him.

Sarver makes you really appreciate the class that Jerry Colangelo had.

 

[Mainstreet]

Well, it's been pretty obvious of late. Porter is finally figuring out why D'Antoni played a short bench. The starters are better players period, plus they get into a better rhythm the longer they play.

I actually thought the Suns played quite well in the first half using Amundson. IMO, he deserved some minutes in the second half. I don't think a short bench benefits the Suns long term... having a more rested team for the playoffs.

 

[Covert Rain]

seems like they are finding a great balance between running some of the time and tossing it inside to shaq or amare some of the time....

Exactly. He is not playing the D'Antoni offense as much as finding a balance between his half court offense and the offense from last year. He is still playing a ton of half court, inside out ball. IMO, Porter knows how to use Shaq better then D'Antoni. However, he has come to realize that the other guys can be more effective using some of what they did last year as well.

 

[nowagimp]

Exactly. He is not playing the D'Antoni offense as much as finding a balance between his half court offense and the offense from last year. He is still playing a ton of half court, inside out ball. IMO, Porter knows how to use Shaq better then D'Antoni. However, he has come to realize that the other guys can be more effective using some of what they did last year as well.

Well let me see, porter knows 3 systems, addelmans, saunders, and popovich. what he's doing is none of the above after stubornly sticking with the saunders offensive sets until the losses mounted(that system never did well in the playoffs for sure). It looks like alot of DA now, perhaps Porter will give some addelman looks in the future as the personnel may be able to implement that system. oooops! maybe not as that one uses high post big man playmaking.

 

[Covert Rain]

Well let me see, porter knows 3 systems, addelmans, saunders, and popovich. what he's doing is none of the above after stubornly sticking with the saunders offensive sets until the losses mounted(that system never did well in the playoffs for sure). It looks like alot of DA now, perhaps Porter will give some addelman looks in the future as the personnel may be able to implement that system. oooops! maybe not as that one uses high post big man playmaking.

You don't consider the number of times he posts up Shaq (oh and by the way, is now posting up JRich) half court basketball? Did you notice that double post (halfcourt set) he is using now with Shaq on one side and Amare on the other? Really? What team are you watching? Also, notice that once the fast break breaks down, we go into traditional half court set still?

This is a far cry from 7 seconds are less basketball from the D'Antoni era. Again, not disputing he is using chunks of the old system. I commend him for doing that because that is how this team is built. However, he still uses the halfcourt game a ton more the D'Antoni. As well he should. If this team is to have any hope come playoff time, they need to continue to do so.

Notice that in Porter's last 3 press conferences he has said the word "balance" several times? That's exactly what I have seen the past 3 games IMO.

 

[nowagimp]

You don't consider the number of times he posts up Shaq (oh and by the way, is now posting up JRich) half court basketball? Did you notice that double post (halfcourt set) he is using now with Shaq on one side and Amare on the other? Really? What team are you watching? Also, notice that once the fast break breaks down, we go into traditional half court set still?

This is a far cry from 7 seconds are less basketball from the D'Antoni era. Again, not disputing he is using chunks of the old system. I commend him for doing that because that is how this team is built. However, he still uses the halfcourt game a ton more the D'Antoni. As well he should. If this team is to have any hope come playoff time, they need to continue to do so.

Notice that in Porter's last 3 press conferences he has said the word "balance" several times? That's exactly what I have seen the past 3 games IMO.

You act as if DA never used Boris or shaq in the low post. And yes Jrich posted, but he also launched 7 threes! Uh you must have been sleeping. Nash is handling the ball ALOT, the TO's are down and the suns are running. Amare is also operating from the elbow again(a porter conversion to DA?). As far as half court sets, the pick and roll has been here awhile, puppy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You act as if DA never used Boris or shaq in the low post. And yes Jrich posted, but he also launched 7 threes! Uh you must have been sleeping. Nash is handling the ball ALOT, the TO's are down and the suns are running. Amare is also operating from the elbow again(a porter conversion to DA?). As far as half court sets, the pick and roll has been here awhile, puppy.

what's with the puppy crap?

 

[mojorizen7]

D'Antoni homers are quickly establishing themselves as former SUNS fans.
Had the KNICKS won that game last night,my statement would have become as clear as day......instead of the foggy anti-SUNS B.S. being thrown around here disguised as pro D'Antoni.
Nice.
If i could afford it i'd buy ya'll KNICK jerseys complete with fake moustache's and as a bonus i'd throw in a Shaq voodoo doll.
The right to be bitter over DA's departure is yours to bear.
GO SUNS

 

[Ballamania]

subbing jason richardson for shaq last night =small ball and amare let lil nate skate to the rim about 3 or 4 times.kinda looked like last year for a minute.

 

[Maligzar]

Here it comes again. There always has to be a message board whipping boy, and now Terry Porter is it.

It was Banks, but he got traded, then everyone ripped Diaw. Now it is Porter (as Kerrs proxy no doubt). Why don't we just all rip the owner for a while and leave the coach alone. After all, we're going to have Sarver around for a long time, and there is plenty not to like about him.

Sarver makes you really appreciate the class that Jerry Colangelo had.

I understand the desire to making sweeping ignorant statements for a quick attention grab on an internet forum, but please understand that I was against getting rid of D'Antoni while everyone here was for it. I said all along that Porter wasn't the answer and he certainly wasn't a better coach than Mike.

 

[Maligzar]

D'Antoni homers are quickly establishing themselves as former SUNS fans.
Had the KNICKS won that game last night,my statement would have become as clear as day......instead of the foggy anti-SUNS B.S. being thrown around here disguised as pro D'Antoni.
Nice.
If i could afford it i'd buy ya'll KNICK jerseys complete with fake moustache's and as a bonus i'd throw in a Shaq voodoo doll.
The right to be bitter over DA's departure is yours to bear.
GO SUNS

People like me are annoyed at fans like you who didn't appreciate the great coach, and the great system that we had. People like me are tired of people like you parroting the pundits thinking that a D'Antoni system can't work. And people like me are going to shove it in your face time and again when we see this team doing what Mike said would work.

Not a Suns fan because we're critical of the decisions being made? That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Congrats.

 

[nowagimp]

People like me are annoyed at fans like you who didn't appreciate the great coach, and the great system that we had. People like me are tired of people like you parroting the pundits thinking that a D'Antoni system can't work. And people like me are going to shove it in your face time and again when we see this team doing what Mike said would work.

Not a Suns fan because we're critical of the decisions being made? That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Congrats.

Yep maligzar, you have homed in on "Polly" and he has more than one cracker. Everyone here has hear his parroting since early last year. If he ever gets past quoting the pundits, it doesnt sound like much.

 

[mojorizen7]

People like me are annoyed at fans like you who didn't appreciate the great coach, and the great system that we had. People like me are tired of people like you parroting the pundits thinking that a D'Antoni system can't work. And people like me are going to shove it in your face time and again when we see this team doing what Mike said would work.

Not a Suns fan because we're critical of the decisions being made? That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read. Congrats.

D'Antoni homers and SUNS fans criticisizing decisions are two different fronts.
What was D'Antoni's system "great" for?
BTW, I appreciated D'Antoni for breathing life into this team when he did(with his system). I also believed in Mike and what he was doing for about 3 yrs. I also was not for firing D'Antoni until after the suspension season(it also just so happens that i began posting here right about that time.)
So...my so called parroting views are based on watching(and believing in) a system that hadn't worked yet in the history of NBA basketball. I was fully behind what DA was trying to do from the get go. ...Giving DA the benefit of my doubt. Of course i enjoyed watching us score all those points and get all those reg season victories but i got tired of watching lesser teams knock us out with simple things like playing defense,rebounding,in-game adjustments etc...
Do you think that the psyche of DA's guys wasn't effected by going out the way they had every year? They loved DA but losing the big games over & over again breeds that mentality.
It was time to move on and try a different approach.
You go on being annoyed but to continually shine D'Antoni's shoes at the expense of moving forward as a SUNS fan is really pathetic.
And like i tell the others: You let me know when D'Antoni wins a big game after April.

 

[mojorizen7]

Yep maligzar, you have homed in on "Polly" and he has more than one cracker. Everyone here has hear his parroting since early last year. If he ever gets past quoting the pundits, it doesnt sound like much.

If you can call me a Polly can i call you an ignorant D'Umbtoni homer?

 

[JCSunsfan]

I understand the desire to making sweeping ignorant statements for a quick attention grab on an internet forum, but please understand that I was against getting rid of D'Antoni while everyone here was for it. I said all along that Porter wasn't the answer and he certainly wasn't a better coach than Mike.

That is a sweeping statement--and dead wrong.

I don't remember anyone here--maybe one or two--wanting to get rid of DAntoni. We wanted him to adjust some. You know, improve a little. MIke chose to leave.

Its not like DAntoni was traded for Porter. Mike chose to leave and TP seemed to be the best option to replace him. You never know for sure. I kind of liked the idea of Eddie Johnson myself.

But I haven't seen any huge problems with Porter. Ripping him after 2 months in the hot seat seems a tad unreasonable.

 

[nowagimp]

That is a sweeping statement--and dead wrong.

I don't remember anyone here--maybe one or two--wanting to get rid of DAntoni. We wanted him to adjust some. You know, improve a little. MIke chose to leave.

Its not like DAntoni was traded for Porter. Mike chose to leave and TP seemed to be the best option to replace him. You never know for sure. I kind of liked the idea of Eddie Johnson myself.

But I haven't seen any huge problems with Porter. Ripping him after 2 months in the hot seat seems a tad unreasonable.

Cmon JCsunsfan were you here even? The mods actually had to make a number of these guys put most of their posts in the "fire DA thread" because they were jacking threads all over the place with DUmtoni rants.