Is Zaven Collins too slow and fat for the NFL?

[BigCardsFan]

Lets be real he would good in a run heavy NFL 20 years ago but he doesn't seem to have the athleticism to play in the modern day

Steve Keim should be drafting speed freaks like Daryl Washington and Isaiah SImmons instead

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Lets be real he would good in a run heavy NFL 20 years ago but he doesn't seem to have the athleticism to play in the modern day

huh????

 

[BigCardsFan]

huh????

every time i watch him play i get kevin minter flash backs i dont think there is any hope for him

 

[kerouac9]

This is a fun troll, but I don't think we have enough information to say that Collins lacks the physical ability or mental acuity to play in the NFL.

Devin Bush (LB, Michigan) was supposed to be a stud for the Steelers and he blows. Sometimes this happens.

 

[FB94]

Any slower than Hicks

 

[Harry]

He didn’t come from a program with strong coaching. These players often are slow to adapt, but it’s usually best to be patient.

 

[cardsfanmd]

This is a fun troll, but I don't think we have enough information to say that Collins lacks the physical ability or mental acuity to play in the NFL.

Devin Bush (LB, Michigan) was supposed to be a stud for the Steelers and he blows. Sometimes this happens.

Bush’s ensemble on draft night was a good precursor.

 

[cardncubfan]

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

This is a fun troll, but I don't think we have enough information to say that Collins lacks the physical ability or mental acuity to play in the NFL.

Devin Bush (LB, Michigan) was supposed to be a stud for the Steelers and he blows. Sometimes this happens.

You're exactly right, we don't have enough info on him yet. I'm holding out hope from all the hype after we drafted him & during training camp & preseason. He's big yes, 260 I think but he is fast for that weight. He's also very intelligent, dude was going to be a doctor before he realized he had a future in the NFL. Time will tell. One would think he takes Hicks spot next season but who knows?

 

[Dr. Jones]

lol

 

[Jetstream Green]

Lets be real he would good in a run heavy NFL 20 years ago but he doesn't seem to have the athleticism to play in the modern day

Steve Keim should be drafting speed freaks like Daryl Washington and Isaiah SImmons instead

You apparently watch as many actual games as the media

 

[SECTION 11]

Lets be real he would good in a run heavy NFL 20 years ago but he doesn't seem to have the athleticism to play in the modern day

Steve Keim should be drafting speed freaks like Daryl Washington and Isaiah SImmons instead

Didn’t he have a hand in drafting both of those guys? I dunno. Go Cards.

 

[Red on White]

I thought Collins has looked OK at times when he's played. Clearly though it takes a while for new players to earn Vance's trust. Which isn't a bad thing.

Does Vance see Hicks as an on-field coach? Some who knows the D inside out? Seems to have unwavering faith in him.

Admittedly Marco has played from Day 1 however there was a degree of necessity there with Butler walking out.

 

[Chopper0080]

I thought Collins has looked OK at times when he's played. Clearly though it takes a while for new players to earn Vance's trust. Which isn't a bad thing.

Does Vance see Hicks as an on-field coach? Some who knows the D inside out? Seems to have unwavering faith in him.

Admittedly Marco has played from Day 1 however there was a degree of necessity there with Butler walking out.

Vance asks a lot less of his DBs than he does of his LBs which is why Marco can come in right away and start. Vance's don't make the big mistake philosophy is also why Marco plays so soft and has given up such a high comp %.

 

[unseenaz]

Devin Bush (LB, Michigan) was supposed to be a stud for the Steelers and he blows. Sometimes this happens.

keim did draft him, afterall

 

[THESMEL]

Ahh Fiddlesticks, he is a rookie! Learning to QB a complicated defense. He was known as tweener in the draft, and is very fast for his size. We are not nearly as terrible against TEs! remember that? Look at Murphy break out from behind PP! I didn't expect Murphy and a rookie to play this well?

Collins and Simmons are right on schedule, I expect them to be wonderful by playoff time, but not at their peak till 3rd year.

 

[blindseyed]

I'm not worried about him at all

 

[JosiahLee]

The honest answer to the question? Time will tell.

With that said, I’m not overly concerned because:

1. We are winning, and winning cures everything.

2. As others have mentioned, see Isaiah Simmons. He was essentially redshirted the first half of his rookie season.

 

[TRW]

Nope. He's just a rookie. Looks like a good pick to me.

 

[Stout]

Nope. He's just a rookie. Looks like a good pick to me.

Okay, I can understand the first opinion, though I may disagree with it. But how, objectively speaking, does he look like a good pick? For me, at best, we're now hoping he pans out but we don't have anything specific yet to base that hope on.

 

[TRW]

Okay, I can understand the first opinion, though I may disagree with it. But how, objectively speaking, does he look like a good pick? For me, at best, we're now hoping he pans out but we don't have anything specific yet to base that hope on.

It appears to me he has the physical abilities to be a solid LB for years. I think coming from Tulsa his learning curve is probably a bit steep. But, if I'm full of crap and wrong on it I won't lose any sleep.

 

[Red on White]

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[AZCrazy]

Our D is bad ass and no rookie is gonna come in and screw it up.

- Vance Joseph

 

[Bkbobo]

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Maybe with him being dinged up, he has regressed some during practice. Not enough to make inactive, but enough to keep him off the field. Hoping to see more of Zaven soon.

 

[Carolinacacti]

and Isaiah SImmons instead

Simmons not playing like a stud but these players need time. Give it a few years