It's time for a change

[Snakester]

It's time for a change. It's time to put John Skelton in at QB. It's time for a new coach, GM, OT's, OLB's, punter. You name it! It's time for a change. We got hosed in the trade for Kolb. Put Skelton in and see if he can be the guy. If not we draft Andrew Luck. This team needs a QB and Kolb is clearly not it. Whiz and Graves both have to go. This team has got to clean house. Pittsburgh West has got to end, it is a complete disaster. For once we have got to hire coaches that have been there and done that with success. No more projects, no more guys that have been in a system but never coached it. What have we got from the Steelers period that has been worth anything. Nothing is what we got. They get rid of there trash and we pick it up. It's time we stop dealing in junk. We should not be the Fred Sanford's of the NFL. Stop picking up other peoples trash and expecting it to make us winners. People throw away pennies for a reason. Because there is no value in them.

For anyone that doesn't think we won't be in a position to draft Andrew Luck, think again. We will go 1-15. Andrew Luck is ours. Hopefully, Bidwill will grow a pair and clean house with the coaching staff. We should have a new coaching staff and GM next year to go along with a new QB, OT's,OLB's and punter for a minimum.

 

[az1965]

Indy is working hard to go 0-16
Dolphins are 0-6
Minnesota is 1-6

All these team will be all over Luck.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Indy is working hard to go 0-16
Dolphins are 0-6
Minnesota is 1-6

All these team will be all over Luck.

I don't see Minny doing it after drafting Ponder last year. Plus they will finish with a better record than the Cards.

FWIW my prediction:
Mia 1-15
Arz 2-14
Indy 2-14

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't see Minny doing it after drafting Ponder last year. Plus they will finish with a better record than the Cards.

FWIW my prediction:
Mia 1-15
Arz 2-14
Indy 2-14

yeah, Miami blowing that game today will probably get them Luck. was pissed watching that game.

 

[Snakester]

Indy is working hard to go 0-16
Dolphins are 0-6
Minnesota is 1-6

All these team will be all over Luck.

The Dolphins and Vikings are improving. The Colts are the only one's that worry me. I am still hoping that Manning comes back in the last five games and wins three of them. After what I saw of the Vikings I think they start winning soon. The Cards are not improving. They keep getting worse every week. The team is giving up. Kolb seems unable to learn from his mistakes. On his best day he will be only average by NFL standards. Teams pass on us at will and that will not change. Our DC is an idiot. We have no coaching and the players know it. That's why we lose every week.

 

[Big Deal]

I still say that Kolb doesn't look comfortable with the stupid offense. I really don't know why they don't design plays for him to roll out or take off when an all out blitz is coming from the corners. Oh, never mind, we can't expect Whiz to adjust since the system works.

 

[Zeno]

Indy is working hard to go 0-16
Dolphins are 0-6
Minnesota is 1-6

All these team will be all over Luck.

Minnesota just spent a first round pick this year on a QB, you can take them out of it.

 

[slanidrac16]

It has become so obvious how much Warner contributed to the 2 successful years we enjoyed. His experience overroad the incompitency of this coaching staff, offensive design and play calling.
You see the same thing with the Colts this year. Manning and Warner's experienced allowed them to take just about ANY play called and find a successful outlet or audible.

That is why when other teams blitz they usually disrupt our play. Kolb simply does not have the experience to see a way out.

I'm watching Drew Brees and he knows where every eligible player is at all time. SOMEBODY is always open and he always seems to know just who it is. We don't have that and we won't for quite some time. Add that to the fact this offensive plan seems to be totally inept and you have the perfect recipe for disaster.

 

[Mainstreet]

It has become so obvious how much Warner contributed to the 2 successful years we enjoyed. His experience overroad the incompitency of this coaching staff, offensive design and play calling.
You see the same thing with the Colts this year. Manning and Warner's experienced allowed them to take just about ANY play called and find a successful outlet or audible.

That is why when other teams blitz they usually disrupt our play. Kolb simply does not have the experience to see a way out.

I'm watching Drew Brees and he knows where every eligible player is at all time. SOMEBODY is always open and he always seems to know just who it is. We don't have that and we won't for quite some time. Add that to the fact this offensive plan seems to be totally inept and you have the perfect recipe for disaster.

Excellent post. Warner was the Cardinals coach on the field.

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't think that you bench Kolb as Skelton is not the future. What is amazing is how difficult people say Whis' offense is. Warner and Roethlisberger have both commented on it, and it obviously stumped Leinart and is stumping Kolb.

While I am not clamoring for Whis to go (except for a legit coach ala Jeff Fisher), I would like to see Mike Miller go. Our offense sucks, and even it's schemes are a bit ridiculous. We have missed opportunities that the scheme has provided us, but it also seems to have just as many holes.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

yeah, Miami blowing that game today will probably get them Luck. was pissed watching that game.

Yeah Miami was up 15-0 with 2:30 to go in the game. Hmmm....

. They threw that game

 

[kerouac9]

I don't think that you bench Kolb as Skelton is not the future. What is amazing is how difficult people say Whis' offense is. Warner and Roethlisberger have both commented on it, and it obviously stumped Leinart and is stumping Kolb.

While I am not clamoring for Whis to go (except for a legit coach ala Jeff Fisher), I would like to see Mike Miller go. Our offense sucks, and even it's schemes are a bit ridiculous. We have missed opportunities that the scheme has provided us, but it also seems to have just as many holes.

*Ike Taylor got Fitz-slapped yesterday*

No doubt. I wonder if Cowher had a hand in simplifying the offense for Roethlisberger and forcing the team to run the ball far more often than they passed. With college offenses getting more and more simplified, and the West Coast offense becoming more simplified (Sando described it as the same basic routes being played over and over out of different formations and personnel groups and the excellence of execution outpacing the defense's ability to stop it), I wonder if too many people are being asked to make choices in this offensive system.

Whis learned his craft under Dan Henning, who he's most often cited as an influence. Henning's system works with exceptionally bright QBs like Chad Pennington, or guys who have seen a lot of reps like Jake Delhomme, but it's clearly a system that has fallen out of favor around the NFL.

I think that the problem within the coaching staff is a lack of alternative voices, and some of that falls on Graves, as well. But you have to let your HC choose his assistants.

I think that Horton said it best last week: This coaching staff doesn't have a lot of friend around the league. They're all from one place; no wonder no one has any fresh ideas about what to do.

 

[Chopper0080]

*Ike Taylor got Fitz-slapped yesterday*

No doubt. I wonder if Cowher had a hand in simplifying the offense for Roethlisberger and forcing the team to run the ball far more often than they passed. With college offenses getting more and more simplified, and the West Coast offense becoming more simplified (Sando described it as the same basic routes being played over and over out of different formations and personnel groups and the excellence of execution outpacing the defense's ability to stop it), I wonder if too many people are being asked to make choices in this offensive system.

Whis learned his craft under Dan Henning, who he's most often cited as an influence. Henning's system works with exceptionally bright QBs like Chad Pennington, or guys who have seen a lot of reps like Jake Delhomme, but it's clearly a system that has fallen out of favor around the NFL.

I think that the problem within the coaching staff is a lack of alternative voices, and some of that falls on Graves, as well. But you have to let your HC choose his assistants.

I think that Horton said it best last week: This coaching staff doesn't have a lot of friend around the league. They're all from one place; no wonder no one has any fresh ideas about what to do.

I believe that this is truly where Graves has hurt this team the most. The GM is supposed to be the counter balance to the head coach, and Graves is clearly a "yes" man. I am not as anti Whis/Horton as some are, but I wonder if a legit GM would have let the Horton and Miller hires go, or if he would have put his foot down.

 

[Sunryze88]

I think Skelton has the potential to be better than Kolb but we will never see him because of the gigantic contract. The man has an arm, is taller, bigger, and has poise in the pocket. He also probably feels alot more comfortable than last year after being in the NFL for a year. Even though I know Skelton is not going to start a game this year maybe Whiz will put him in at the end of games?.....probably not

 

[chickenhead]

I don't think Ponder necessarily means Minnesota won't take Luck. The fans might grumble about them taking Ponder last year, but they won't complain about drafting Luck. Ponder can also be traded--not for first round value, but for something.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't think that you bench Kolb as Skelton is not the future. What is amazing is how difficult people say Whis' offense is. Warner and Roethlisberger have both commented on it, and it obviously stumped Leinart and is stumping Kolb.

While I am not clamoring for Whis to go (except for a legit coach ala Jeff Fisher), I would like to see Mike Miller go. Our offense sucks, and even it's schemes are a bit ridiculous. We have missed opportunities that the scheme has provided us, but it also seems to have just as many holes.

That's a big part of my stance on kolb. I admit he's been bad at times, but really every QB here save Warner has been bad at times under Whiz, and Warner was at his best running the no huddle which wasn't really Whiz' offense.

If you recall we had quite a bit of success early this year in the no huddle but because it wore the OL down and our defense down, we stopped. At the time I defended the decision because it was clear we were wearing down, I now consider that pretty telling. The best this offense has looked during the Whiz years has been in no huddle when we're not really running "his system".

He may be a highly intelligent guy but if it takes a veteran HOF QB like Warner to run his offense, then what's the point? The brilliance of Steve Jobs was making highly technical things easy to use, Whiz is to coaching what DOS was to operating systems he appears to have a system that is just to complex, and then he brings in a DC who installs a defense that's just as complex, knowing there's a lockout and there will be a short camp.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

That's a big part of my stance on kolb. I admit he's been bad at times, but really every QB here save Warner has been bad at times under Whiz, and Warner was at his best running the no huddle which wasn't really Whiz' offense.

If you recall we had quite a bit of success early this year in the no huddle but because it wore the OL down and our defense down, we stopped. At the time I defended the decision because it was clear we were wearing down, I now consider that pretty telling. The best this offense has looked during the Whiz years has been in no huddle when we're not really running "his system".

He may be a highly intelligent guy but if it takes a veteran HOF QB like Warner to run his offense, then what's the point? The brilliance of Steve Jobs was making highly technical things easy to use, Whiz is to coaching what DOS was to operating systems he appears to have a system that is just to complex, and then he brings in a DC who installs a defense that's just as complex, knowing there's a lockout and there will be a short camp.

Maybe Whiz needs to go the Bull Durham route. "THIS is not a complicated game. You throw the ball, you tackle the ball, you catch the ball, YOU GOT IT."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0ZHQ6GWlSM

 

[john h]

It's time for a change. It's time to put John Skelton in at QB. It's time for a new coach, GM, OT's, OLB's, punter. You name it! It's time for a change. We got hosed in the trade for Kolb. Put Skelton in and see if he can be the guy. If not we draft Andrew Luck. This team needs a QB and Kolb is clearly not it. Whiz and Graves both have to go. This team has got to clean house. Pittsburgh West has got to end, it is a complete disaster. For once we have got to hire coaches that have been there and done that with success. No more projects, no more guys that have been in a system but never coached it. What have we got from the Steelers period that has been worth anything. Nothing is what we got. They get rid of there trash and we pick it up. It's time we stop dealing in junk. We should not be the Fred Sanford's of the NFL. Stop picking up other peoples trash and expecting it to make us winners. People throw away pennies for a reason. Because there is no value in them.

For anyone that doesn't think we won't be in a position to draft Andrew Luck, think again. We will go 1-15. Andrew Luck is ours. Hopefully, Bidwill will grow a pair and clean house with the coaching staff. We should have a new coaching staff and GM next year to go along with a new QB, OT's,OLB's and punter for a minimum.

I cannot disagree with anything you posted.

 

[john h]

Indy is working hard to go 0-16
Dolphins are 0-6
Minnesota is 1-6

All these team will be all over Luck.

Of course we lost to the Vikings so we can cross them off you list. We will be in the hunt for Luck. Count on it. The question then is will we draft him?

 

[john h]

I don't see Minny doing it after drafting Ponder last year. Plus they will finish with a better record than the Cards.

FWIW my prediction:
Mia 1-15
Arz 2-14
Indy 2-14

If the team that drafts #1 does not need a QB you can be sure there will be teams lined up to give them all their picks just like Mike Ditka did with the Saints.

 

[SECTION 11]

Skelton is simply put a better QB than Kolb. I've seen nothing at all that convinces me otherwise. I don't even think it's close.

 

[john h]

The Dolphins and Vikings are improving. The Colts are the only one's that worry me. I am still hoping that Manning comes back in the last five games and wins three of them. After what I saw of the Vikings I think they start winning soon. The Cards are not improving. They keep getting worse every week. The team is giving up. Kolb seems unable to learn from his mistakes. On his best day he will be only average by NFL standards. Teams pass on us at will and that will not change. Our DC is an idiot. We have no coaching and the players know it. That's why we lose every week.

I just do not see Manning coming back and playing. They will be out of the race so why risk him at all. Aside from that they would have a shot at Luck which they would be all over as he would arrive in time to understudy Manning and the Colts would resume their dominance in their division and have another Manning on their hands for a decade or more. Neck fusions need time to heal. The more the better. I have had one and you sure do not want to have that fusion broken with a big hit. One year is just not enough time unless you have some sort of death wish. I do not know but I think his first fusion did not work and they had to do it again. I used my own bone from my hip. Often they use a cadaver bone which has more chance of not taking. Knowing what I know about neck fusions I would give up football. He has all the money he will ever need and will have his health. He would be great in the TV booth which would give him something to do. Not for the money.

If we do not have Bennie we will be the underdog in any game we play IMHO. If we could get luck it would be the best thing in Cardinal history I think. Of course there would be the usual chorus of "Trade Down" for more bodies.

There is a 5-10% chance that Kolb could wake up but that may be stretching it. With our luck it would be on the last game of the year and knock us out of the Andrew Luck race. Meantime the Bidwills would be cheering so they did not have to pay #1 pick type money. Maybe that is cruel of me and the Bidwills are not really cheap but I call them like I have seen them for well over 60 years now.

 

[Duckjake]

Of course we lost to the Vikings so we can cross them off you list. We will be in the hunt for Luck. Count on it. The question then is will we draft him?

John, head to head doesn't matter when it comes to draft position. It's strength of schedule #1. I think we ran into that a short while back where we drafted ahead of somebody we beat during the regular season or vice versa.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Skelton is simply put a better QB than Kolb. I've seen nothing at all that convinces me otherwise. I don't even think it's close.

Was it giving Carolina their only win of the season or the 42% completion percentage in his only two wins that make you think he's better? Kolb sucks but Skelton ain't the answer.

Ugh...just realizing this is 2003 all over again when we were debating the merits of crap like Blake, McCown, and Preston Parsons.

 

[SECTION 11]

Was it giving Carolina their only win of the season or the 42% completion percentage in his only two wins that make you think he's better? Kolb sucks but Skelton ain't the answer.

Ugh...just realizing this is 2003 all over again when we were debating the merits of crap like Blake, McCown, and Preston Parsons.

It is what it is.