Jan 11, AZ REP. - Lampe may be steal of the draft

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Lampe may be steal of deal
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Tim Tyers and Bob Young
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 11, 2004 12:00 AM


An NBA insider in New York is saying that in five years, the recent multiplayer trade between the Knicks and Suns will be known as the Lampe trade, not the Marbury trade.

So far, 18-year-old Maciej Lampe (MAH-chick LOMP-ay) has not made an NBA appearance. The Knicks put him on the injured list Oct. 27 with shin splints, and the Suns put him on the injured list Friday with back spasms to make room for the return of Amare Stoudemire and Zarko Cabarkapa.

Lampe, 6 feet 11 and 240 pounds, was regarded as a lottery pick before last year's draft, but fell to the first pick of the second round (No. 30) due to questions over his contract status in Europe.

"I really like him. He has a lot of talent," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said. "This kid is going to be really good. He just needs more age. As a coach, I know I can give him more years. We'll just have to wait awhile. But he has all the skills.

"He needs to get stronger (upper body) and get experience. He has some things that you can't teach, like a feel for the game and shooting ability. It's a lot easier to wait and let him mature than it is to reconstruct the game. He already has the game."

How does he compare with another former Suns "project," center Jake Tsakalidis?

"We're talking Mars and Venus," D'Antoni said. "We're talking about two different planets. This guy has unbelievable skills. I liked Jake, but Jake was more robotic. This guy is a basketball player. You can't teach the talent he has."


Say what?


The Suns now have a Serbian (Cabarkapa), a Brazilian (Leandro Barbosa), a Pole born in Sweden (Lampe), a head coach who played and coached in Europe, an assistant who played in Europe (Mark Iavaroni), plus they own the rights to Yugoslavian point guard Milos Vujanic, who'll probably play here next season.

Could there be a failure to communicate? After all, the Suns looked lost at times against Sacramento on Friday.

"No, there won't be a communication problem because of my experience in Europe - we had guys from seven different countries," D'Antoni said. "It's basketball and there's only one way to play it. Experience is the problem right now, that and knowing our teammates.

"Setting the basis of how we want to play is going to take awhile. If we show improvement and play with guts and heart, we'll be fine. If we don't bring out enthusiasm, we'll struggle. It's a process we have to go through."




Let's do Rio!


The NBA is considering playing a preseason game in Brazil in 2004 or 2005, and it's likely that the Suns, with Barbosa, and Denver, which features Nene, a 6-9 Brazilian power forward who has legally dropped his last name of Hilario, will be the attractions.

"If this is happening, I think this would be very good for basketball in my country," Barbosa said. "A lot of people watch this. A lot of people go see this."

Suns President/General Manager Bryan Colangelo said he is aware of informal talks about the game, but said: "Nobody has contacted me directly, yet."


Baptism by fire


D'Antoni said Saturday that his plan is simple for returning Stoudemire and Cabarkapa to basketball shape after their long layoffs.

"Just play them," he said. "There's no secret to it. Three days of practice before our next game will help. They're going to have some rough spots, and we'll just have to play through them. Hopefully, they'll adapt quick. But again, if they play hard, we'll be fine."

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If Lampe really is as good as they are saying the Phoenix Suns should probably save some of their money for the purpose of re-signing him. He will be an unrestricted free agent this summer of 2006-07, the same summer Amare Stoudemire will be a restricted free agent.

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
If Lampe really is as good as they are saying the Phoenix Suns should probably save some of their money for the purpose of re-signing him. He will be an unrestricted free agent this summer of 2006-07, the same summer Amare Stoudemire will be a restricted free agent.

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The implications are greater than just cap planning. The Sun's draft strategy, trading strategy, and FA strategy will be significantly altered if Lampe turns into a stud center

The Kings on Friday gave a clinic on how to run a high post offense. This sort of offense would be ideally suited to someone with Lampe's skills as an outside shooter and passer. Running the offense through the high post would create a nighmare for teams that have to double Amare on the baseline. It would take away opponents strategy of packing the paint and open up Marion to be a cutter like he should be.

From what I can tell, Lampe could fit into that kind of offense tomorrow (or more precisely after 4 games on IR), but he probably does not have the defensive skills yet. None the less, I would be working on putting in the high post offense ASAP and let Lampe take his knocks on defense for a while.
 

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I understand that this kid is skilled.

But here are my two questions.

1) Why was he a projected lottery pick if he is an injured list guy for both the knicks & us.

2) If he is as skilled as they say, I would think he would atleast get afew min's per game to get him "some" experience. He isnt gunna get better sitting on the bench all year.
 

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He has yet to turn 19.

Being on the IL has some advantages because you can keep Lampe in Phoenix first of all, let him get comfortable with the new situation, practice with the team when they are in Phoenix and continue to work on your body and other things every day.
 

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That does manke sence.


I would like to see him get some small playing time before the end of the season...
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
He has yet to turn 19.

Being on the IL has some advantages because you can keep Lampe in Phoenix first of all, let him get comfortable with the new situation, practice with the team when they are in Phoenix and continue to work on your body and other things every day.

On other threads, the question has been posed as to why Googs was not put on IR instead. I don't know.

In any case, putting in an entirely new offensive system based on how a guy looks in a couple of practices is probably premature, (ASAP includes the phrase "as possible"), but it is something they should be looking at.

Why wasn't he being used in New York? They had a lot of big men and were apparently trying to turn him into an SF (notice Penny is getting a lot of minutes there). At 7'0" 275, he was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Look at Harvey. He could get no minutes on the pathetic Orlando team and has played brilliantly for the Suns. J. O'Neal saw minimal minutes in Portland before being traded to Indiana where be became a super star. This sort of thing happens all the time.
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien

Look at Harvey. He could get no minutes on the pathetic Orlando team and has played brilliantly for the Suns. J. O'Neal saw minimal minutes in Portland before being traded to Indiana where be became a super star. This sort of thing happens all the time.

Brilliantly? :eek:

LOL, just loving your choice of words sometimes, George. :D
 

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I must admit that Donnell Harvey has played very very well in some games and has used his minutes well.

He had couple of brilliant moves against Elton Brand.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
Brilliantly? :eek:

LOL, just loving your choice of words sometimes, George. :D

Relatively speaking. For what he costs, yes. He has been about as productive as Bo and 1/10 the price. Considering he is only 23, he actually has some real potential to get even better.

But brillianly compared to J. O'Neal. Of course not.
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
Relatively speaking. For what he costs, yes. He has been about as productive as Bo and 1/10 the price. Considering he is only 23, he actually has some real potential to get even better.

But brillianly compared to J. O'Neal. Of course not.

I certainly don't think he's come anywhere near to being as valuable to us as Bo was. I haven't seen Harvey do anything in regards to full court defense, which is where I think Bo was the most useful. Harvey can shoot free throws better, though. :D
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
I certainly don't think he's come anywhere near to being as valuable to us as Bo was. I haven't seen Harvey do anything in regards to full court defense, which is where I think Bo was the most useful. Harvey can shoot free throws better, though. :D

Full court press was clearly Bo's strength. Harvey seems to be better at defending the low post, rebounding, and actually has some low post moves of his own. Both give a lot of energy.
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
Full court press was clearly Bo's strength. Harvey seems to be better at defending the low post, rebounding, and actually has some low post moves of his own. Both give a lot of energy.

The Phoenix Suns could go to Donnell Harvey in the low post a lot more than they do. Right now he's probably the best post up threat they have. I don't doubt that if he played more and was given the ball more he could average double digits in scoring.

It sure seems to me like the Phoenix Suns are trying to hide Harvey a little bit. I can't imagine they want to just let him walk this summer, but they certainly won't match a contract much larger than his present one.

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
The Phoenix Suns could go to Donnell Harvey in the low post a lot more than they do. Right now he's probably the best post up threat they have. I don't doubt that if he played more and was given the ball more he could average double digits in scoring.

It sure seems to me like the Phoenix Suns are trying to hide Harvey a little bit. I can't imagine they want to just let him walk this summer, but they certainly won't match a contract much larger than his present one.

Joe Mama

Wouldn't it be great if they were that smart. :D
 

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Don't we introduce the "hiding" theory every time the Suns have a low-post player they don't make good use of?
 

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I hope by "right now" you don't actually mean right now, with Amare and Zarko back in uniform.


I'm not sure exactly who'll be back next season, but I'm nearly certain that McDyess and Donnell Harvey will be somewhere else. In Harvey's case, the team has too many other projects to develop--between Amare, Zarko, Lampe, Voskuhl, and next year's #1, when do you expect Harvey to play?


Remember, the team didn't have PT for Bo before everybody got hurt, and now they've also acquired Lampe.
 

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Originally posted by F-Dog
I hope by "right now" you don't actually mean right now, with Amare and Zarko back in uniform.


I'm not sure exactly who'll be back next season, but I'm nearly certain that McDyess and Donnell Harvey will be somewhere else. In Harvey's case, the team has too many other projects to develop--between Amare, Zarko, Lampe, Voskuhl, and next year's #1, when do you expect Harvey to play?


Remember, the team didn't have PT for Bo before everybody got hurt, and now they've also acquired Lampe.

Cabarkapa is not a low post player, and I think Amare Stoudemire's game is overrated right now. I think he could be a dominant low post player, but I would say he's got a long ways to go.

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
I think Amare Stoudemire's game is overrated right now. I think he could be a dominant low post player, but I would say he's got a long ways to go.

Joe Mama

Of course, with him just coming back from injury, and joining a team that has changed so much since he was injured, it's hard to tell just how effective he will be for us the rest of the season.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
Of course, with him just coming back from injury, and joining a team that has changed so much since he was injured, it's hard to tell just how effective he will be for us the rest of the season.

Amare is what he is, a very young player who has a lot to learn. What is surprising is how far he has come from being a super raw rookie a year and a half ago to a force in the paint. As Randy Brown said last year, "Can you imagine what he'll be like when he knows what he's doing?"
 

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I agree about both. Amare & Harvey... I hope we keep Harvey, he is gunna get pretty good.
 

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Originally posted by BEERZ
I agree about both. Amare & Harvey... I hope we keep Harvey, he is gunna get pretty good.

I suspect that Dice will be moving on next year. If he is even vaguely close to being heathy, he'd get a lot more than the Suns could afford. Harvey is likely to remain affordable considering that he played pretty well last year and did not attract a huge about of attention.
 

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