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On Feb. 4th, 2008, I went to the Suns/Bobcats game. This just so happened to be Shawn Marion's last game as a Sun. We beat the Bobcats pretty handily that night, but something from the opposition caught my eye.

I had always known who Jason Richardson was, but because of the obscurity of playing for perennial lottery ball clubs, nobody really knew what this guy was really capable of.

During this particular game, I paid close attention to his abilities. It was hard not to because he was slashing through Marion and Bell like they were rec ball players. His acrobatic dunks had the crowd oooing and awwwing. He was fast, created his own shots and had accuracy from beyond the arch. The person I took to this game was asking me about Richardson, to which I replied "I would just love to get this guy in a Suns jersey."

Sure enough, Kerr and co. made probably the only good basketball move during his GM career by unloading an unproductive expensive Diaw and an aging Bell for J-Rich and Jared Dudley. All of a sudden, J-Rich's situation changes. He is now the starting 2 guard for one of the NBA's most popular franchises. Unfortunately, he is in a situation where the offense is ran through Nash, Shaq and Amare. Somehow, he still finds a way to contribute as the seemingly fourth wheel. He had career highs in FG% (49%) and FT% (78%). He still shot 38% from three-point land, which is respectable. Considering he was playing less minutes and was not the focal point of the offense, 16.4 ppg is still good, especially learning not one but two new styles of offenses during the season (Porter's slow down offense vs. Gentry's up tempo style). And for entertainment factor, he is one of the most acrobatic players in the league. That is something that no one can deny.

Why am I bringing this up? It's because many people have suggested vehimently that he should be moved this offseason. With Kerr and Sarver conducting a fire sale of this team, honestly, what are you going to have left if Nash and/or Amare are moved? The FO is already making a bunch of senseless moves as it is, why give them another silly, misguided idea? J-Rich is fairly paid for what he contributes. What has he done in his career on the court? He has displayed the ability to create his own shot. He can play the 2 and 3 effectively, which is going to be important next season when the line up is thined out. He is deadly accurate from three point land. He is a great dribble penetrator. Most importantly for the Suns style of basketball, he can flat out score. He did make a couple of bone-headed off the court moves with his driving habits. In professional sports, it has almost become part and parcel that there are going to be malcontents and misbehaviors along the way with some athletes. I'm giving J-Rich the benefit of the doubt that he has learned his lesson. Of course, my mind will change if that happens again.

I think some of us get too caught up in the economics of the game, especially during the offseason and overlook the enjoyment that professional basketball has to offer. Almost unanimously, we have come to the conclusion that this ball club will be no where near contention for titles until years to come and even well after the Sarver/Kerr era is long overwith. Already, Stoudemire is halfway out of Phoenix. Nash will most likely stay, but he will need someone to pass the ball to besides Barbosa. J-Rich will be one of few players left on the roster with any sort of statistical success in the league. Plus, I'm kind of curious how he plays with a distributor like Nash when he is the primary scoring threat.
 

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On Feb. 4th, 2008, I went to the Suns/Bobcats game. This just so happened to be Shawn Marion's last game as a Sun. We beat the Bobcats pretty handily that night, but something from the opposition caught my eye.

I had always known who Jason Richardson was, but because of the obscurity of playing for perennial lottery ball clubs, nobody really knew what this guy was really capable of.

During this particular game, I paid close attention to his abilities. It was hard not to because he was slashing through Marion and Bell like they were rec ball players. His acrobatic dunks had the crowd oooing and awwwing. He was fast, created his own shots and had accuracy from beyond the arch. The person I took to this game was asking me about Richardson, to which I replied "I would just love to get this guy in a Suns jersey."

Sure enough, Kerr and co. made probably the only good basketball move during his GM career by unloading an unproductive expensive Diaw and an aging Bell for J-Rich and Jared Dudley. All of a sudden, J-Rich's situation changes. He is now the starting 2 guard for one of the NBA's most popular franchises. Unfortunately, he is in a situation where the offense is ran through Nash, Shaq and Amare. Somehow, he still finds a way to contribute as the seemingly fourth wheel. He had career highs in FG% (49%) and FT% (78%). He still shot 38% from three-point land, which is respectable. Considering he was playing less minutes and was not the focal point of the offense, 16.4 ppg is still good, especially learning not one but two new styles of offenses during the season (Porter's slow down offense vs. Gentry's up tempo style). And for entertainment factor, he is one of the most acrobatic players in the league. That is something that no one can deny.

Why am I bringing this up? It's because many people have suggested vehimently that he should be moved this offseason. With Kerr and Sarver conducting a fire sale of this team, honestly, what are you going to have left if Nash and/or Amare are moved? The FO is already making a bunch of senseless moves as it is, why give them another silly, misguided idea? J-Rich is fairly paid for what he contributes. What has he done in his career on the court? He has displayed the ability to create his own shot. He can play the 2 and 3 effectively, which is going to be important next season when the line up is thined out. He is deadly accurate from three point land. He is a great dribble penetrator. Most importantly for the Suns style of basketball, he can flat out score. He did make a couple of bone-headed off the court moves with his driving habits. In professional sports, it has almost become part and parcel that there are going to be malcontents and misbehaviors along the way with some athletes. I'm giving J-Rich the benefit of the doubt that he has learned his lesson. Of course, my mind will change if that happens again.

I think some of us get too caught up in the economics of the game, especially during the offseason and overlook the enjoyment that professional basketball has to offer. Almost unanimously, we have come to the conclusion that this ball club will be no where near contention for titles until years to come and even well after the Sarver/Kerr era is long overwith. Already, Stoudemire is halfway out of Phoenix. Nash will most likely stay, but he will need someone to pass the ball to besides Barbosa. J-Rich will be one of few players left on the roster with any sort of statistical success in the league. Plus, I'm kind of curious how he plays with a distributor like Nash when he is the primary scoring threat.

I wouldn't call him deadly accurate from 3 point land and in fact I saw him miss many wide open 3's. His FG percentages are elevated due to the many easy baskets he got on takeaways, putbacks and slash dunks to the hoop. I thing he is actually a very average jump shooter for a shooting guard. He is streaky more than a good shooter. Also his off the court mishaps are perplexing at best. He's not a keeper if we can improve ourselves by trading him.
 

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I totally agree with you.

Ever since JJ's departure we have been wishing for a wingman that can create his own shot.

Now that we have him, people complain about his defense and wish for a defensive-minded swingman.

Of course, we had one before as well but traded him to rent an aging center for one-and-a-half seasons...
 
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Jason Richardson has some amazing talent. His contract bothers me a lot. Didn't he already have a chance to be the #1 guy on the Bobcats? For his contract, the Suns could do better.

I'm not entirely sure if the Jason Richardson was a good trade for the Suns. If Amare does get traded, it would be (dare I say it) to have Boris around. Bell's contract expires at the end of 2010 I believe.
 
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Jason Richardson has some amazing talent. His contract bothers me a lot. Didn't he already have a chance to be the #1 guy on the Bobcats? For his contract, the Suns could do better.

I'm not entirely sure if the Jason Richardson was a good trade for the Suns. If Amare does get traded, it would be (dare I say it) to have Boris around. Bell's contract expires at the end of 2010 I believe.

Diaw's contract ismuch more cumbersome than Richardson's. We were going to owe $27 mil for three more years if we kept Diaw. Richardson is $25 mil over two years. If you really want to get rid of him, then it is an easier sell, but that is not my argument, of course.

And for what we paid Bell to do, he was not doing anymore. He was supposed to be out lock down perimeter defender and shooting threat. Last season, he couldn't defend any better than Nash. We improved at the 2 spot when we got Richardson.

Plus, I don't trust Diaw to take over for Stat full time.
 

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As I recall Boris Diaw has one more year on his contract than Richardson. The Suns used this chance to save money and get some talent in return in Richardson. I think Bell became unhappy after DA left.
 

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J-Rich gets a lot of heat from this site, but I think the guy is a capable third wheel on the right type of team. Unfortunately, this isn't the right type of team for him, because he needs defensive stoppers around him. However, I still like the trade. Not only did we get rid of Doris Meow, who was one of the most frustrating players I've watched, but we also got back Studley. That said, if we're still committed to rebuilding, then I'd trade either him or Barbosa for another big, depending on the deal.
 

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JRich was the right move at the time. We had an overpaid/under performing Diaw, a defensive SG who was no longer playing defense and his shot was erratic. The team was trying to go for it. I don't blame that for that one bit. Just like I don't blame this team for making the Shaq trade.

I still like J-Rich but agree if this team is rebuilding we should trade him. Also, agree that the guy needs to be on a team with better defensive talent then we have.
 
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J-Rich gets a lot of heat from this site, but I think the guy is a capable third wheel on the right type of team. Unfortunately, this isn't the right type of team for him, because he needs defensive stoppers around him. However, I still like the trade. Not only did we get rid of Doris Meow, who was one of the most frustrating players I've watched, but we also got back Studley. That said, if we're still committed to rebuilding, then I'd trade either him or Barbosa for another big, depending on the deal.

I think the style of play fits J-Rich's game perfectly. He thrives in up tempo play, just see his stats when he was with GS. He would have had career highs across the board if he was in the middle of the D'Antoni era.

Putting him on a team like the Spurs or Pistons would be like putting cement in his shoes
 
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I think the style of play fits J-Rich's game perfectly. He thrives in up tempo play, just see his stats when he was with GS. He would have had career highs across the board if he was in the middle of the D'Antoni era.

Putting him on a team like the Spurs or Pistons would be like putting cement in his shoes

J-Rich definitely thrives in a up tempo game, but if his team is going to win a championship, they have to be a good defensive team, and we are most definitely not. You just can't have two defensively porous guards like Nash and Rich leading into crappy defenders down low. That's a recipe for the lottery or an early playoff exit.
 

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hes definetly a keeper. pretty damn good all around. his stats would be much better if he was the main guy on our team
 

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J-Rich definitely thrives in a up tempo game, but if his team is going to win a championship, they have to be a good defensive team, and we are most definitely not. You just can't have two defensively porous guards like Nash and Rich leading into crappy defenders down low. That's a recipe for the lottery or an early playoff exit.

I am not saying JRich is a GOOD defender, but he is not nearly as horrible as Nash.
 

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Good player and I like him, but he isn't worth his contract. He gets like $13 or $14 million a season until 2011 or 2012. That's ridiculous.
 

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On Feb. 4th, 2008, I went to the Suns/Bobcats game. This just so happened to be Shawn Marion's last game as a Sun. We beat the Bobcats pretty handily that night, but something from the opposition caught my eye.

I had always known who Jason Richardson was, but because of the obscurity of playing for perennial lottery ball clubs, nobody really knew what this guy was really capable of.

During this particular game, I paid close attention to his abilities. It was hard not to because he was slashing through Marion and Bell like they were rec ball players. His acrobatic dunks had the crowd oooing and awwwing. He was fast, created his own shots and had accuracy from beyond the arch. The person I took to this game was asking me about Richardson, to which I replied "I would just love to get this guy in a Suns jersey."

Hilarious. If we signed/traded for every player that looked like a world beater offensively against the Suns, we'd have about 80 guys on our roster.

After watching almost every game after he was acquired, it was pretty clear that Richardson can score, but other than that brings really nothing to the table. Doesn't defend, doesn't distribute, and is considerably worse when the game is on the line.

There is a reason that the Suns were considering dumping him, and still may, and its because he is a disappointment.
 

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I don't think the issue is J-Rich himself.. it's the fact that when you put him with a group of world-beaters on D (as in they make the world want to beat themselves) like Nash, Stoudemire, and Shaq, he just doesn't bring a lot of what you need.

I think he's a damn good third fiddle guy though, assuming you have the right pieces elsewhere.
 

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I hated the trade from the beginning and I hated it even more at the end of the season after seeing how good the trade made the Bobcats become. Honestly, I'd trade JRich in a heartbeat to have either Diaw or Bell back.

Bell may not be a good defender anymore but there's no question that he's still considerably better than JRich. Could you imagine Bell costing his team a big game by leaving Roger Mason wide open on the 3 point line to go after a player shooting a 2, when a 2 would only tie? Or the announcers wondering why the hell he's leaving Jason Terry open from 3 when Terry just made a wide open 3 the previous possession? JRich seems incapable of understanding defense.

Bell also shot a whole lot better for us from 3 this season, and since JRich was used primarily as a 3PT shooter for us, it's really difficult to see where we gained anything from the trade.

Diaw obviously would be incredibly valuable to have now that we're trading Amare.
 

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I hated the trade from the beginning and I hated it even more at the end of the season after seeing how good the trade made the Bobcats become. Honestly, I'd trade JRich in a heartbeat to have either Diaw or Bell back.

Bell may not be a good defender anymore but there's no question that he's still considerably better than JRich. Could you imagine Bell costing his team a big game by leaving Roger Mason wide open on the 3 point line to go after a player shooting a 2, when a 2 would only tie? Or the announcers wondering why the hell he's leaving Jason Terry open from 3 when Terry just made a wide open 3 the previous possession? JRich seems incapable of understanding defense.

Bell also shot a whole lot better for us from 3 this season, and since JRich was used primarily as a 3PT shooter for us, it's really difficult to see where we gained anything from the trade.

Diaw obviously would be incredibly valuable to have now that we're trading Amare.

Wow. I've heard of "hindsight is 20/20", but I've never heard "hindsight is 20/400". The Bobcats went 28-31 after they picked up Bell and Diaw. In the east. We were sucking with them, getting lit up by opposing two guards EVERY game regardless of Bell's defensive IQ, and Diaw looked like he cared less than ever (which is saying something).

We needed to move them, and I'm glad we did. I love what Bell did here and who he was, but he is washed up. For all the hoopla about Diaw in Charlotte, and I agree he did do them a lot of good things as a facilitator, 15/6/5 with three turnovers in huge minutes on a bad team while having the ball go through you more than anyone else is really not that impressive. Definitely nothing to get wistful over anyway. Honestly if I miss anything out of Diaw, it's his underrated man defense. But getting rid of them was addition by subtraction in a lot of ways.
 
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If J-Rich played solid defense, he would be a keeper. Him and Nash in the back court is horrible defensively. We need a defensive three point shooting SG that can give us 15-19 points a night like Kirk Hinrich(he can play SG).
 

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If J-Rich played solid defense, he would be a keeper. Him and Nash in the back court is horrible defensively. We need a defensive three point shooting SG that can give us 15-19 points a night like Kirk Hinrich(he can play SG).

I like the idea of trading Richardson for Josh Howard. Howard is more of a 3 but I think he can play the 2. He is better defensively and has one less year on his contract for about 2.5 million less than Richardson. I'm not sure how Dallas feels about Howard now, but they were ready to move him last season.

Also, Larry Hughes would be a good defensive 2, but a third team would have to get involved because there is no way the Knicks take on Richardson's contract since it's not up until 2011.

There are also rumors about the Suns shopping Richardson to New Jersey for Bobby Simmons, a trade that I don't like talent-wise. Simmons is also in the last year of his deal for $10 mil.

All three of the aforementioned players expire after this season and would save the Suns $2-3 million. $aving$
 

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JRich/Tucker for Simmons, Dooling, Williams.
Nash for Lee and Duhon.
 

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Bell may not be a good defender anymore but there's no question that he's still considerably better than JRich.

Considerably? Really? JRich might not be a shutdown defender but Bell was freaking horrible pre-trade. Bell USED to be considerably better but not anymore.

Could you imagine Bell costing his team a big game by leaving Roger Mason wide open on the 3 point line to go after a player shooting a 2, when a 2 would only tie?

Actually yes I could. Bell over the last half of the previous season and up to the trade in the current season had some of the worst defensive performances that I had seen out of any Suns SG in a long time. Let's not also forget that Bell was suppose to be our primary weapon at the 3 as well and he would show up one game and disappear the next.

Diaw obviously would be incredibly valuable to have now that we're trading Amare.

Why? Because we know Diaw would be ripping it up for the Suns right? Eventually, every tiger shows his stripes. No thanks to Diaw being the starting PF on this team even without Amare. The last thing we need on this team is another overpaid under performing player on the books.
 
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Considerably? Really? JRich might not be a shutdown defender but Bell was freaking horrible pre-trade. Bell USED to be considerably better but not anymore.

It's interesting to see the difference in opinions between Bobcats fans and Suns fans when it comes to Bell's defense. No one was complaining about Bell's defense on Bobcats forums this past season. In fact, many were crediting Bell with their team turning into one of the better defensive teams in the league. No one in Bobcats land is unhappy with the trade and almost all are against trading Bell.

Yet at the same time, it's rare to find a Suns fan who doesn't feel that JRich is a disappointment and isn't in support of trading him.

Actually yes I could. Bell over the last half of the previous season and up to the trade in the current season had some of the worst defensive performances that I had seen out of any Suns SG in a long time.

Name me one single defensive lapse of his that can compare to that Mason shot.

Let's not also forget that Bell was suppose to be our primary weapon at the 3 as well and he would show up one game and disappear the next.

As opposed to JRich who would show up one game and then disappear the next 2-3 games.

Why? Because we know Diaw would be ripping it up for the Suns right? Eventually, every tiger shows his stripes. No thanks to Diaw being the starting PF on this team even without Amare

So you'd rather start Amundson?
 

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The Bobcats went 28-31 after they picked up Bell and Diaw. In the east.

Compared to the 7-16 that they were before getting Bell and Diaw, that 28-31 record was a cause for celebration. Bell was also injured for the last 7 games of the season and they lost 6 of the 7.

Much like us with Amare going down, they were a better team than their end record showed.
 
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