Jay Cutler haters: I'm curious just how much you have seen of this guy?

[Russ Smith]

No Cutler analysis..... Just McClown bashing......

Please watch the 5 minutes at the end of the game when Emmit threw his TD. I was embarassed for the league's all time rushing leader. Then I saw a repeat in the Mexico City game with a 2 minute hero-worship narrative of "what would Kurt Warner have done" by our intrepid young QB. If I ever went up and rubbed someone's butt for a nice landing and lead him up and down the tarmac pointing at him and saying "he's the man" I'd never be able to show my face again.... What a fruit cake!!! Then there was the 2004 Oakland game..... he pulled it together in the 4th, but that 3rd quarter was like watching a high schooler playing against the pros. As soon as the ball is snapped he's running all over the place and throwing it at people's feet.... then he starts beating his helmt and can't regain his composure..... I think Boomer was calling the game and trying to stay policitally correct as he was making comments about not seeing the pressure and wondering if there were miscommunications in the huddle. It was pretty sad. He had athletic ability and football knowledge was always there. And still is. But he is seriously lacking in leadership on the field and "moxy, confidence, marbles, guts, etc." McClown is a good back-up or a competent starting puppet for a strong coach, but not a player who will win consistently..... And yes, I'm not forgetting the flashes of brilliance (Minnesota), but I'm still glad he's gone.

Don't think Josh ever played against Oakland in a regular season game. i know he did in the preseason one year I remember Plunkett raving about his running but saying he had seriously happy feet and never looked downfield.

I think Josh just doesn't react well to pressure, not just pass rush pressure, but overall pressure. When things go poorly, his reaction tends to just make it even worse.

 

[Russ Smith]

This is probably a more fair comparison, however, even Favre wasn't a #1 pick, much less a top 10 pick.

The Cardinals have no business drafting a guy like Cutler in the top 10.

Yep Favre was a #2 pick, turned out to be a steal. Not saying Cutler will be that good I don't compare anybody's arm to Favre's he had one of the best arms I think I ever saw in football, but he had a fairly similar college career to Cutler.

 

[Buckybird]

I think Cutler is less of a risk than Vince Young. We need a QB bad and the
weapons we have will help him learn alot quicker. If he is there at #10, take
him.

 

[seesred]

I like him. He wouldn't be my first choice, but I can see taking him at 10. He is a big kid, very strong I believe he did 22 reps for a QB that is awesome. He is quick. He has a big time arm ( time will tell if he can compete with the great Farve). In the pros he might fall on his face as many other first round qb's have, after all it's by far and away the hardest job IMO in pro sports. But he has the tools to be very sucessfull.

He can't be taken in the thrid round nor could Lienert or Young. There is a reason Croyle will be available there. Not to say that he wont turn out to be the best of them. The chances are there are reasons that most draft so called experts have Him being taken in the first 15 , more often then not in the first 10. If we are going to take shot I'd want the odds to be on my side. I'd rather hve Young more than anyone, but if we should get Cutler at ten, I'll be very happy.

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[football karma]

Nope:



I didn't know that Cutler was suspended in 2002 for getting in trouble with the police for underage drunken/disorderly behavoir. Shouldn't matter now, anyway, but that's an interesting note. I think that a lot of scouts have this same bottom-line, which makes me wonder what the deal is with so many people repeating that he's a top choice:

K9 -- Scouts Inc /ESPN (at least in the newstand publication) gives Cutler a 97 grade -- one point higher than Vince Young.

I think that is one reason why people are repeating that Cutler is a top choice -- the resources we have available to us are saying he is.

 

[Duckjake]

I haven't seen him play much at all but to me a more fair comparison at least in college would be Brett Favre? Played at a school in a big conference, perennial loser team. Great arm, good athlete, bad mechanics.

This is probably a more fair comparison, however, even Favre wasn't a #1 pick, much less a top 10 pick.

The Cardinals have no business drafting a guy like Cutler in the top 10.

So.Miss was 10-2 Favre's Soph year and 8-4 his Senior year even after Favre
was almost killed in Sept that year in a car crash. Two bowl appearences. Another QB who took a perennial loser and won with them.

 

[TheCardFan]

I think Cutler is less of a risk than Vince Young. We need a QB bad and the
weapons we have will help him learn alot quicker. If he is there at #10, take
him.

Young and Cutler are more of risk than Leinert but IMO, Young's record 32-2 (or something like that), championship, and stats make him less of a risk than Cutler but more of a risk than Leinert.

 

[Evil Ash]

K9 -- Scouts Inc /ESPN (at least in the newstand publication) gives Cutler a 97 grade -- one point higher than Vince Young.

I think that is one reason why people are repeating that Cutler is a top choice -- the resources we have available to us are saying he is.

Psst there are more scouting services than just that of ESPN

 

[Pariah]

So.Miss was 10-2 Favre's Soph year and 8-4 his Senior year even after Favre
was almost killed in Sept that year in a car crash. Two bowl appearences. Another QB who took a perennial loser and won with them.

Presumably, there was more of a supporting cast in on both Favre's team to help him win, too. Same with Eli.

Drafted into the NFL From Southern Miss
1991
Favre
M. Jackson, WR
S. Carter, DB

1992
T. Smith, RB (1st round)
D. Hoskins, S
T. Roberts, DT

Drafted into the NFL From Mississippi
2004
Eli
S. Andrews, T
V. Hutchins, CB
C. Anderson

2005
C. Spencer
M. Johnson
R. Razzano

How many guys from Vanderbilt do you think will be drafted this year and next that Cutler played with? My guess is maybe 1 or 2 (maybe...I have no idea who those one or tweo might be, though).

We all want the QB to win all on his own--but sometimes it's just not possible with the surrounding talent as compared to the surrounding competition--as is the case at Vanderbilt, IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

So.Miss was 10-2 Favre's Soph year and 8-4 his Senior year even after Favre
was almost killed in Sept that year in a car crash. Two bowl appearences. Another QB who took a perennial loser and won with them.

Interesting, been so long I didn't recall how well they did. I recall he made his name in college with a huge upset, was it alabama?

 

[ajcardfan]

I saw the Florida game, Georgia and LSU for sure. They were also on earlier in the season, but I don't remember who they played.

My impression of the guy was "Hey, this guy could be a good second or third round pick." I don't think that's "hating". I just never saw anything that made me say "Wow! Here's a top ten talent!"

 

[Stout]

Cutler is definitely a bigger risk than Leinart and quite easily can be said a bigger risk than Young. I feel that Cutler has a larger ceiling, though. Yes, there are questions about Cutler's game, and it's quite possible he won't be able to develop. If he does, though...a big, pocket passer with a cannon has no equal in the NFL game, IMO. That's why I like him, and that's why I want us to draft him. Is he worthy of so high a pick? I'll leave that up to the scouting department. I won't necessarily be angry if he's there and we don't pick him (depending on who we DO take), but I'd be happy enough if we do.

 

[kerouac9]

K9 -- Scouts Inc /ESPN (at least in the newstand publication) gives Cutler a 97 grade -- one point higher than Vince Young.

I think that is one reason why people are repeating that Cutler is a top choice -- the resources we have available to us are saying he is.

The quote about Cutler being a mid-round pick is from ESPN.com/Scouts, Inc. They also rate Vince Young as a 97 and Cutler as a 96 as of the most recent ratings. And there's no question who they like more:

Young still has much room to improve in terms of his mechanics, release point, accuracy and ability to take snaps under center and read coverage while dropping. But while another year wouldn't have hurt him, Young would not have improved in those areas had he returned to school to spend another season working out of the shotgun in a "read-option" offensive system. The bottom line is that because he is such an elite athlete with rare upside at the quarterback position, Young grades out as a high first-round pick.

Kiper's dropped him to No. 15 on his big board. It seems to me like the Cutler enthusiasm came out of the fact that he was the only QB working out between the beginning of January and mid-March. Now that people have seen the other guys, the ardor has cooled considerably. It seems that the only people still hanging on to the idea that this would still be a good deal are those on this board who have never seen him play. All even Kiper has to say about him is that "he's the next best QB in the senior class behind Leinart." That's some faint praise.

 

[Pariah]

It seems that the only people still hanging on to the idea that this would still be a good deal are those on this board who have never seen him play.

Uh-huh. Just guys that have never seen him play and our resident pro-scout.

http://arizonasportsfans.com/storypage.php?Story_ID=634&Category=cardinals

The proof of what teams actually think of him will come to light on April 29th. If they think he's legit, he'll go in the top-12. If they don't he'll drop like Rodgers did (who I think will end up being a very good pro, BTW).

But just so you know, there are a lot of people who think drafting cutler as high (or higher) than #10 is a good deal.

 

[john h]

This guy just doesn't look like he can play QB to me......
http://www.jaycutler.com/

i watch SEC games throughout the year following Arkansas and have seen Cutler on various occasions. I also read what all the SEC coaches have to say about him. I think the guy will make it in the NFL and become a starter. Just how good he will become I do not have a clue but he has a lot of upside and is worthy of a pick at #10 if you want a QB. He is not going to help this year that is a given.

 

[john h]

Holian - Just because some people don't rate Cutler as a top 10 draft prospect this year doesn't mean that they "hate" him - All it means is that they feel there are 10 or more other players coming out this year who are better.

Note - The Baldinger DVD of his top 75 prospects provides a pretty healthy video chunk of Cutler highlights and drill performance.

Pardon my allergy to Kool Aid, but the more I see or hear about Cutler, the more he reminds me of Josh McCown when he came out (i.e. great cannon, strong kid, good mobility, terrific competitiveness but raw in the area of things like mechanics and tangibles). Nothing wrong with that, except that (a) McCown was picked in the 3rd round and (b) if we wanted someone like Josh, all we had to do was re-sign him; so why would we now want to use our #10 pick on Cutler?

Again, I don't "hate" Cutler. I do, however, feel we may have better options at #10 (including possibly trading down - & if we somehow wound up with Cutler at #14 or #15 along with the extra pick, I wouldn't be inclined to call Dr. Kevorkian).

One big difference between McCown and Cutler is the competition they played against in college. I always had the opinion that Josh seemed child like to me and lacked leadership. That is just my perception from watching him on the sidelines and in the game. He may be a General Patton for all I really know.

 

[SuperSpck]

I'm not a hater of Cutler, but the following statement might make it seem like I am:

I've never felt comfortable with a selection who's "stock" does it's highest rising after his college career is over.

A series of offseason workouts in my opinion, help create a more well-rounded perspective of what potential one of these football players can bring to a team, but more and more it's becoming the thing that us casual football aficionados hang our hats upon.

 

[Duckjake]

We all want the QB to win all on his own--but sometimes it's just not possible with the surrounding talent as compared to the surrounding competition--as is the case at Vanderbilt, IMO.

I always wonder considering the above what a guy like Cutler is doing at a school like Vanderbilt. There are schools where you can get a top notch education and have better supporting cast and exposure for football. Was he a late bloomer out of High School?

The big deal for me with Manning is that Ole Miss has been terrible since he left and wasn't very good before he got there either.

 

[Pariah]

I Was he a late bloomer out of High School?

I think he was. I'm not sure where, but I think I read that he didn't have many offers.