Jeff G's 7 Pick Cardinal Mock

[JeffGollin]

My first seven round guess as to Cardinal picks based on: (1) The ESPN/Scouts, Inc. player ratings/rankings, (2) Best info available as to Cardinal draft order (there are some slight differences among us all) and (3) five different first round scenarios.

5. Dareus DT.
5. Peterson CB.
5. Newton QB (or Gabbert QB).
5. Miller OLB.
5. Green WR.

38. Ijalana G-T (all five scenarios)

68. Brooks Reed DE/LB (in all instances except if we pick Miller. In that case, we'd pick Dalton).

103. McCarthy ILB (all five scenarios)

136. Moffitt G (all five scenarios

170. Lee Smith TE (all five scenarios)

248. Joe Lefeged S (all five scenarios)

 

[Matt L]

I like it

 

[Lomax to Green 84]

Excellent work Jeff! That is some cool stuff. I really like how you broke down the rounds 2-7 and how our first round pick can impact where we go later in the draft. Excellent choice with the 2nd round selection. Being able to play multiple places on the offensive line is very important.

I'm on the Robert Quinn bandwagon. If I was doing the list, Quinn would be added to the potential picks at #5.

 

[Reddog]

I like it, but like Holian I would include Quinn in the options at #5. I think if our intent is to keep Fitz we are already rolling the dice that we get a QB and he stays but to add a top 5 WR is playing to lose. If we keep Fitz we are back in the same situation we were with Q where you can't pay two WRs crazy money and more importantly we have crazy money tied up at the WR position when we might be better suited to run a more balanced O given our QB situation. In that case you better have a D that can keep games close.

Sure you are hedging your bets on Fitz and he will be older when you have to give Green his second contract, and a Rookie cap will provide some grace but that is also four years that someone else could be impacting the team in an area of need i.e. Defense.

 

[Garthshort]

Jeff, if Brooks Reed is being mentioned as a first round pick of GB, I doubt that he'll last until the third round. And unless Whiz was trying to fool the other teams ( a distinct possibility), I doubt that we'll draft a QB in the first. Also, Dalton doesn't make sense to me unless we've given up on Skelton. Assuming we sign or trade for a vet QB, then we already have a young/developing type QB on the roster. We have too many other needs to have two developing types competing for time in TC. I like Ijalana in the second, since he can play both guard and tackle, but I did read he has an injury that has to be checked out. And lastly, I'm hoping we draft a TE within the first four rounds.

 

[JeffGollin]

Jeff, if Brooks Reed is being mentioned as a first round pick of GB, I doubt that he'll last until the third round.

Check 6 or 7 draft guides and you will get 6 or 7 differing draft boards (including varying opinions on Reed and many other players). Add coach-speak and rumors and you'll wind up with even more differences of opinion.

No doubt the Cardinal board will look different from the GB board. Or not (it's doubtful they're going to tell us). Plus - coaches and GM's have been known to lie, so we don't know whether or not GB plans to trade up, stay put or trade down - and where, if any place, Reed fits into their plans.

So what I did (to remove my own subjectivity from the equation) was to arbitrarily make the ESPN (Scouts Inc.) board - from a month ago - the real world They have Reed rated near the top of the third round and there when we picked. And so I picked. Reed has become the hot commodity of late, so it's quite possible his ranking has moved up from the mid-sixties to the early-thirties on some boards.

Or not.

Note - Interesting take on Quinn. Just a gut feeling, but I don't think he rates as high as Miller, and drafting him at #5 might be considered a bit of a reach for need (which I don't think we'd do). So it really depends on how closely our FO rates Quinn in juxtaposition with Miller.

 

[WildBB]

Check 6 or 7 draft guides and you will get 6 or 7 differing draft boards (including varying opinions on Reed and many other players). Add coach-speak and rumors and you'll wind up with even more differences of opinion.

No doubt the Cardinal board will look different from the GB board. Or not (it's doubtful they're going to tell us). Plus - coaches and GM's have been known to lie, so we don't know whether or not GB plans to trade up, stay put or trade down - and where, if any place, Reed fits into their plans.

So what I did (to remove my own subjectivity from the equation) was to arbitrarily make the ESPN (Scouts Inc.) board - from a month ago - the real world They have Reed rated near the top of the third round and there when we picked. And so I picked. Reed has become the hot commodity of late, so it's quite possible his ranking has moved up from the mid-sixties to the early-thirties on some boards.

Or not.

More likely than not. He'd be a good pick @38 imo.

 

[JeffGollin]

...Sure you are hedging your bets on Fitz and he will be older when you have to give Green his second contract, and a Rookie cap will provide some grace but that is also four years that someone else could be impacting the team in an area of need i.e. Defense.

Actually, my inclusion of Green is because I have him rated #5 BPA (factoring in system-fit and position-need into his overall rating).

It had nothing to do with Fitz, Breaston or any other Cardinal receiver and everything to do with the illusion known as "depth."

Depth can only be considered depth until you have a few injuries and suddenly it disappears. (Remember when KVB, Wakefield and another guy went down all at once and, overnight, our position of depth became really really thin).?

I said the following about Peterson and it also applies to Green:

"If we were to pass on on Peterson when he was available, the football gods would make certain either DRC, Toler (or both) became sidelined due to injury."

Ditto Fitz, Breaston, Doucet, Roberts and Williams - the position sure do look deep - until "the hammy virus" takes its toll on the position).

 

[joeshmo]

Best info available as to Cardinal draft order (there are some slight differences among us all)

You only needed one source if you wanted the best. Only one was right.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2425882&postcount=7

The only thing that changed is S.F. fought their tampering charges and re-gained their seventh rounder which pushed our 7th round comp pick back by one pick.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-team/dt-by-round-input:6/dt-by-team-input:ari

 

[BullheadCardFan]

So it really depends on how closely our FO rates Quinn in juxtaposition with Miller.

Had to look that one up. (beside, to put side by side)

 

[EndZone]

I like it! Its better than all these redonkulous mock drafts where people think that the rest of the NFL is gonna trade us every pick they have.

We'll trade this team then that team then this other team, OH THEN we'll trade this other team! And we'll end up with 5 first round picks and 4 second round picks!

 

[lobo]

My first seven round guess as to Cardinal picks based on: (1) The ESPN/Scouts, Inc. player ratings/rankings, (2) Best info available as to Cardinal draft order (there are some slight differences among us all) and (3) five different first round scenarios.

5. Dareus DT.
5. Peterson CB.
5. Newton QB (or Gabbert QB).
5. Miller OLB.
5. Green WR.

38. Ijalana G-T (all five scenarios)

68. Brooks Reed DE/LB (in all instances except if we pick Miller. In that case, we'd pick Dalton).

103. McCarthy ILB (all five scenarios)

136. Moffitt G (all five scenarios

170. Lee Smith TE (all five scenarios)

248. Joe Lefeged S (all five scenarios)

Thoughtfully done...are your first round choice(s) in the order you would like to see or just in no particular order? Just curious.

 

[JeffGollin]

...are your first round choice(s) in the order you would like to see or just in no particular order? Just curious.

Good question.

Short answer: No.

Full answer: In order of preference - (1) Miller, (2) Peterson, (3) Dareus, (4) Newton or Gabbert, (5) Green.

(My own) Follow up Question: On second thought, would you consider moving Quinn ahead of the QB's or Green into the Top 5?

Answer: I'd be tempted, but probably not. But Quinn would be 6th (in a pack with J Jones, Fairley and possibly Amakumara). Note - This would create an intriguing Top 8 or 9, in case we were tempted to trade down a few spots.

 

[Snakester]

nice mock. Makes sense and all are players at positions of need for us.

 

[Catfish]

Nice job JG-----Like Holian and RedDog, I believe the team will be considering Quinn for the #5 spot along with the others. Your workup shows a lot of thought and solid research. I also like how you picked alternates at 68 depending on how the 5 goes.

 

[JeffGollin]

Updated Info

NFL.com published what I'd be inclined to believe is the official drafting order. This altered my 5-way scenario accordingly:

5. Dareus DT.
5. Peterson CB.
5. Newton QB (or Gabbert QB).
5. Miller OLB.
5. Green WR.

38. Ijalana G-T (all five scenarios)

69. Brooks Reed DE/LB (in all instances except if we pick Miller. In that case, we'd pick Dalton).

103. McCarthy ILB (all five scenarios)

136. Moffitt G (all five scenarios

171. Lee Smith TE (all five scenarios)

184. Mark Herzlich LB (in all instances except if we pick Miller. In that case, we'd pick Joe Barksdale OT LSU).

249. Joe Lefeged S (all five scenarios).

This gives us 8 picks instead of 7. According to NFL.com, our #184 pick comes from Tampa by way of Philly in the 6th round. We lose #208 to the Jets in the 7th round but pick up #249 as a 7th round supplemental.

I'd be tempted to take Barksdale across the board due to need, but Herzlich is rated too highly (and at a position we need shoring up) for me to ignore him in the sixth round - unless we already got Miller.

 

[lobo]

nice mock. Makes sense and all are players at positions of need for us.

Aside from "you and I" our associates on the board are more toward bpa.....not me and I don't believe you either. We are in good company though as Bill Parcells is a position of need guy too!!

 

[JeffGollin]

Aside from "you and I" our associates on the board are more toward bpa.....not me and I don't believe you either. We are in good company though as Bill Parcells is a position of need guy too!!

Actually, Lobo, you are wrong.

I am a BPA guy.

But with modifications.

For example - If there were five or six guys available at our #136 pick (in the fifth round) and they all were rated fairly closely (say #134 (RB), 136 (WR), 138 (OT), 139 (S), 140 (ILB), 142 (QB) with our biggest need at ILB - I'd pick #140 over #134, 136, 138 or 139.

Also - remember that RG, Keim and Fitz stack their board according to a modified BPA-rating system which builds Cardinals system-fit and position-need into the overall BPA rating for each player.