Jeremiah Trotter

[Krangodnzr]

I'm not saying that Trotter wouldn't be a good addition to the team, just that there has to be some give and take. Why would you want to keep McKinnon when Trotter plays the same position. You would need to free up the money to pay Trotter. McKinnon would have to be the odd man out

But when you build a team using the BPA model, you ignore this type of argument. Trotter is better than McKinnon, and will be one of the best players available after June 1st. McKinnon would still have value as a seasoned backup, special teamer, and a situational player.

Plus McKinnon's contract is finished at the end of the year, so we would have an in house replacement that represents a nice upgrade.

As far as Dansby, what I was referring to was that the Cards are going to end up paying first round money for him. They won't be able to tie that much up into the linebacking position. The last time I looked we had a glut at that position with alot of young, untested players.

Even if he is given "first round money", it will still be no more than 27th pick or so money. That's not really that much, and shouldn't even be considered as an argument against signing Trotter.

An to be completely honest, other than Hayes, we have no other in house replacement for McKinnon. And Hayes doesn't exactly have the size to handle the pounding in the middle either...

 

[CardShark]

If it happened that way, so be it. Trotter is a defeinite upgrade over them both. While he has played relatively injury free, someone has to be a backup, unless Issac Keys makes an impression.

I thought Gerald Hayes was the heir apparent to take over for McKinnon. So wouldn't he be sufficient back up for Trotter?

 

[Red Air Force]

Not necessarily.......McKinnon has value as a leader and for his heart but he is in his VERY last year. He also is undersized as an MLB, especially in a 3-4 defense.Trotter is a rare talent. I would keep them both if it were doable cap wise. Darling could go without any tears from me.

Green doesn't run a 3-4, which makes keeping McKinnon a null option. Trotter makes sense, and if I had to pick, then yes I would cut Mac to sign Trotter. We all saw how much influence Emmit's leadership had on our season last year. IMO his leadership is valuable, but not absolutely necessary. Coach Green is the "Leader" of this team.

 

[wierwolf]

agre e....

 

[azdad1978]

 

[CardShark]

Green doesn't run a 3-4, which makes keeping McKinnon a null option. Trotter makes sense, and if I had to pick, then yes I would cut Mac to sign Trotter. We all saw how much influence Emmit's leadership had on our season last year. IMO his leadership is valuable, but not absolutely necessary. Coach Green is the "Leader" of this team.

LET'S CUT EMMITT AS WELL! THAT'S ANOTHER $2M FREED UP!

 

[Krangodnzr]

I thought Gerald Hayes was the heir apparent to take over for McKinnon. So wouldn't he be sufficient back up for Trotter?

From a fan's perspective, yes. But we haven't exactly heard this from the coaching staff though, so it's presumptious to call Hayes the heir apparent.

McKinnon is an older vet that can still contribute to this team in a lot of ways. On the bench, on the field, and in the lockerroom, McKinnon is still a valuable player to this team, even if he isn't a starter.

If McKinnon's contract was longer, I would suggest cutting McKinnon to sign Trotter. But since he only has a year remaining, why cut a guy who has been a valuable player on the field, a valuable rolemodel in the lockerroom, and a valuable person in the community?

 

[AZCB34]

I like McKinnons effort and energy but Trotter would be a huge upgrade. McKinnon just isn't that good. I don't care how many tackles he gets. IMO, he is a liability on outside plays from the middle and he is a disaster in pass coverage...he cannot rush the passer. He is not a game changer at MLB, he is just a ordinary player.

Bring in Trotter, thank McKinnon for his service and then offer him a job in the organization if one is available for him to take.

 

[CardShark]

McKinnon is an older vet that can still contribute to this team in a lot of ways. On the bench, on the field, and in the lockerroom, McKinnon is still a valuable player to this team, even if he isn't a starter.

If McKinnon's contract was longer, I would suggest cutting McKinnon to sign Trotter. But since he only has a year remaining, why cut a guy who has been a valuable player on the field, a valuable rolemodel in the lockerroom, and a valuable person in the community?

Do you think he would be happy with a bench role?

 

[spanky1]

I thought Gerald Hayes was the heir apparent to take over for McKinnon. So wouldn't he be sufficient back up for Trotter?

If Fisher comes out of double knee surgery healthy, then Hayes might be looked at a an eventual replacement for McKinnon......but the operative word is if.........my guess is that Hayes will earn a spot as an OLB.

 

[spanky1]

Other things to consider regarding Trotter:

a) As krang eluded to in an earlier post, getting Trotter now eliminates the need to look to next years draft to find McKinnon's replacement. Darling is never going to be anything other than a backup IMO.

b) In case Dockett and Bryant both hit on all cylinders this year and end up side by each on the D-Line from time to time and are both set loose to penetrate, McKinnon becomes a liability because of his lack of size. Trotter is as big as a MLB gets.

 

[CardShark]

How much do you think Trotter is going to ask for? Why wouldn't he look at a team like Dallas that can pay him more?

 

[Krangodnzr]

How much do you think Trotter is going to ask for? Why wouldn't he look at a team like Dallas that can pay him more?

Because Dallas already has a player they like (Dat Nguyen) that is being paid a decent amount of money.

Most teams are set at MLB.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Do you think he would be happy with a bench role?

Yes and no. Yes because he wouldn't be cut. No because he wouldn't start, though he would still play (especially in goalline situations).

McKinnon is nearing the end, so being on a team would mean more than anything else IMO.

 

[spanky1]

How much do you think Trotter is going to ask for? Why wouldn't he look at a team like Dallas that can pay him more?

Well obviously if he gets cut, he loses alot of bargaining power. There are not a lot of starting MLB positions open now.

 

[CardShark]

Yes and no. Yes because he wouldn't be cut. No because he wouldn't start, though he would still play (especially in goalline situations).


McKinnon is nearing the end, so being on a team would mean more than anything else IMO.

You would be paying too much money for a bench player. You would also have to cut someone to free up cap space. Do you think McKinnon would restructure his contract to stay on the team?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Last time I checked Mac is also a tackling MLB machine

yeah, a tackling-10 yards downfield-machine.

 

[CardShark]

Well obviously if he gets cut, he loses alot of bargaining power. There are not a lot of starting MLB positions open now.

Well ours isn't open at this point but that doesn't keep us from wanting to upgrade. Are you saying there aren't any other teams in a better position than us that wouldn't mind upgrading that position?

 

[spanky1]

Well ours isn't open at this point but that doesn't keep us from wanting to upgrade. Are you saying there aren't any other teams in a better position than us that wouldn't mind upgrading that position?

Point well taken.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

From a fan's perspective, yes. But we haven't exactly heard this from the coaching staff though, so it's presumptious to call Hayes the heir apparent.

McKinnon is an older vet that can still contribute to this team in a lot of ways. On the bench, on the field, and in the lockerroom, McKinnon is still a valuable player to this team, even if he isn't a starter.

If McKinnon's contract was longer, I would suggest cutting McKinnon to sign Trotter. But since he only has a year remaining, why cut a guy who has been a valuable player on the field, a valuable rolemodel in the lockerroom, and a valuable person in the community?

the problem w/ this logic was pointed out in frank bush's q&a . . . the green staff uses backup lbs as special teamers. ronnie mac ain't gonna be gunnin' down the field on the special teams. he'd have little, to no, place on the team as a backup.

i say, if trotter becomes available, screw what's needed and go for the upgrade in talent. that's the only way to get better. and it also reflects green's drafting philosophy. upgrading talent never hurts.

 

[CardShark]

Was it Trotter that made the statement about wanting to play for the Cards after Green was hired? Didn't he just recently sign a new contract?

Does anybody know?

 

[CaptTurbo]

While I think Trotter is a good player, I don't know that I
would state he is that much better than McKinnon. How much was he helped
by the Linemen in front of him keeping the O linemen off of him so he could
move to the ball?

I dont get this fascination with Mac. I mean I am a big fan of his heart and what he has done through the years but to say Trotter is not twice as good is like saying Im not too sure if Michael Jordan is much better than Pippen.

Trotter didnt have much help in philly in front of him. The eagles Linebackers have been the star of the show for years.

 

[spanky1]

I dont get this fascination with Mac. I mean I am a big fan of his heart and what he has done through the years but to say Trotter is not twice as good is like saying Im not too sure if Michael Jordan is much better than Pippen.

Trotter didnt have much help in philly in front of him. The eagles Linebackers have been the star of the show for years.

I guess people are afraid to hurt a player's status as a starter when he has been loyal to the organization from the get go. Now, I respect his qualifications as a workhorse and as a class act, but to have him ranked in the same breath as Trotter is foolhardy, I agree.

This "blind faith" is costing us unnecessary cap room for Emmitt Smith as well.

If I have one negative comment towards Bidwill, Graves and Green, it is that they have shut their eyes to the fact that Emmitt is done like dinner yet they hold on.

 

[AZCB34]

I dont get this fascination with Mac. I mean I am a big fan of his heart and what he has done through the years but to say Trotter is not twice as good is like saying Im not too sure if Michael Jordan is much better than Pippen.

Trotter didnt have much help in philly in front of him. The eagles Linebackers have been the star of the show for years.

Amen.

 

[CardShark]

I guess people are afraid to hurt a player's status as a starter when he has been loyal to the organization from the get go. Now, I respect his qualifications as a workhorse and as a class act, but to have him ranked in the same breath as Trotter is foolhardy, I agree.

This "blind faith" is costing us unnecessary cap room for Emmitt Smith as well.

If I have one negative comment towards Bidwill, Graves and Green, it is that they have shut their eyes to the fact that Emmitt is done like dinner yet they hold on.

I couldn't agree more. It takes up not only cap space but a roster spot.