Jets @ Broncos

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't get it. How can no one stop this guy from closing?

I do.

The guy is like Michael Vick, except he has heart, intelligence, and is 6'3" and about 240 lbs.

That is a big, quick, powerful, atheletic, and passion filled QB that can also throw (not accurately of course). That is tough to contain.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Which of these guys would you definitely take ahead of Mark Sanchez right now?

Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, John Beck/Rex Grossman, Matt Moore, Carson Palmer, Tavaris Jackson, John Skelton/Kevin Kolb, Sam Bradford, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Christian Ponder, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Curtis Painter, and Alex Smith.

give me Cam Newton and Michael Vick or Sanchez's propped up by a great running game and defense the last two year's piss-poor throwing ass.

No? Well, that's 14 of 32 QBs. Then you're looking at Andy Dalton (rook who hasn't played anyone), Josh Freeman (regressing this season for some reason), Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan (waiting for him to win his first big game), and Matt Stafford (who's coming back to the pack the last three weeks--still think he's a Top 5 QB?). Jay Cutler has definitely leap-frogged Sanchez, and Tony Romo is probably above him, too.

I'd take EVERY one of those guys. None of them have played for the league's best D/best running game which carried them through the playoffs... well... maybe not Freeman. Holy hell has he regressed.

And when the hell did I say Stafford's a top 5 QB? I didn't, but it sure makes your ridiculous argument look better, right?

I think I had Sanchez at 8 in my QB power rankings. Were I to re-do them today, I'd probably go Rodgers (1), Brady (2), Roethlisberger (3), Brees (4), Rivers (5--I still believe), Jay Cutler (6), Eli Manning (7), Tony Romo (8), Matt Stafford (9), Matt Schaub (10).

at this point, I'd take Newton, Ryan, Flacco and Dalton above Sanchez as well... and to be honest, I'd love to see what the other guys above could have done with league leading rushing attacks/defense the last two years. We've seen those type of teams be able to carry QBs to wins in the playoffs (Shaun King, Trent Dilfer, every QB the Bears ever had, Jeff Hostetler), but now that Sanchez doesn't have that, he's falling on his face.

the idea that he's separated himself from the rest of the trash simply because he's ridden the backs of defense and running games his first two years is laughable.

If you want to quibble over whether Sanchez is the 10th vs. 12th-best QB in the NFL right now, then I'll concede the point. It's mid-November, though. There's lots of football left to play. I'll still take the guy who has won in January over a bunch of guys who haven't been there before.

I'd love to see where I said that Von Miller was going to be a bust. I thought he was a bad fit to scheme as OLB in a 3-4 defense because he's not stout enough to stand up against the run, and not particularly interested in defending against it. He was benched from the base offense earlier this season because that was true. I haven't watched any Denver games this season, so I can't really speak to it. But I'm not sure how Von Miller's play as an SLB in a 4-3 defense has a ton of bearing on projecting Miller to WOLB in a 3-4 defense. No one disputed that he could rush the passer coming into the draft. My concern was drafting him 5th overall when he hasn't shown interest in defending the run.

you were capping on him five weeks ago when he was benched and pounding your chest on how right you were that he wouldn't amount to much in this league. that he didn't really have a position?

oh yeah... you did:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/would-you-do-this-171752.html?highlight=miller

 

[john h]

The first time I've watched the Broncos this year.
This is going to be fun game to watch.
I hope the Jets go down.
Go Broncos!

Tebow continues to amaze me. There is ever reason to think he is no NFL QB yet all he does is win. He may be the best running QB in the NFL including Vick. He has spin moves and can power up the middle. His passes often suck unless the chips are down and he seems to come through. He is as humble a guy as you would ever want to meet and credits all his team with the three in a row victories since he became the starter. I hope the young man continues to win as it is hard not to cheer for him after all the trash he has taken from the experts. Sort of like his college carreer. Beating the Jets in typical Tebow fashion this week. This guy could be a power RB if need be IMHO.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

How can no one stop this guy from closing?

Jesus is a Broncos fan?

 

[Pariah]

Tebow may not win these games single-handedly like Elway might have back in the day, but the kid wins--and he does it in such a similar fashion each time that I've got to think there's something to it.

Leadership, inspiration, will to win and athleticism. Add those things together and you get Tebow winning games. Even though other players are making the plays I believe Tebow is the catalyst.

 

[CFLredzoned]

So who do you take, Sanchez or Skelton?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So who do you take, Sanchez or Skelton?

Sanchez

 

[Mulli]

Tebow may not win these games single-handedly like Elway might have back in the day, but the kid wins--and he does it in such a similar fashion each time that I've got to think there's something to it.

Leadership, inspiration, will to win and athleticism. Add those things together and you get Tebow winning games. Even though other players are making the plays I believe Tebow is the catalyst.

Hey, Teboners:

Craig Krenzel was 3-0 with the Bears at one time.

 

[Chopper0080]

Which of these guys would you definitely take ahead of Mark Sanchez right now?

Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, John Beck/Rex Grossman, Matt Moore, Carson Palmer, Tavaris Jackson, John Skelton/Kevin Kolb, Sam Bradford, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Christian Ponder, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Curtis Painter, and Alex Smith.

No? Well, that's 14 of 32 QBs. Then you're looking at Andy Dalton (rook who hasn't played anyone), Josh Freeman (regressing this season for some reason), Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan (waiting for him to win his first big game), and Matt Stafford (who's coming back to the pack the last three weeks--still think he's a Top 5 QB?). Jay Cutler has definitely leap-frogged Sanchez, and Tony Romo is probably above him, too.

I think I had Sanchez at 8 in my QB power rankings. Were I to re-do them today, I'd probably go Rodgers (1), Brady (2), Roethlisberger (3), Brees (4), Rivers (5--I still believe), Jay Cutler (6), Eli Manning (7), Tony Romo (8), Matt Stafford (9), Matt Schaub (10).

If you want to quibble over whether Sanchez is the 10th vs. 12th-best QB in the NFL right now, then I'll concede the point. It's mid-November, though. There's lots of football left to play. I'll still take the guy who has won in January over a bunch of guys who haven't been there before.

I'd love to see where I said that Von Miller was going to be a bust. I thought he was a bad fit to scheme as OLB in a 3-4 defense because he's not stout enough to stand up against the run, and not particularly interested in defending against it. He was benched from the base offense earlier this season because that was true. I haven't watched any Denver games this season, so I can't really speak to it. But I'm not sure how Von Miller's play as an SLB in a 4-3 defense has a ton of bearing on projecting Miller to WOLB in a 3-4 defense. No one disputed that he could rush the passer coming into the draft. My concern was drafting him 5th overall when he hasn't shown interest in defending the run.

Palmer, Ponder, Newton and Alex Smith over Sanchez right now. I would rate him in the 15-20 range on QB's in the NFL. Now, he obviously has the skills to be better, but I haven't seen him takeover a game that the Jets weren't able to run the ball in. I don't know what has curbed his development, but he is terrible right now.

 

[kerouac9]

you were capping on him five weeks ago when he was benched and pounding your chest on how right you were that he wouldn't amount to much in this league. that he didn't really have a position?

oh yeah... you did:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/would-you-do-this-171752.html?highlight=miller

For someone who's sensitive about having words put into your own mouth, you don't seem to be too ashamed to do it to other people, are you? I described reality then, and I continue to describe it now.

Obviously, I didn't call Von Miller a bust in the thread you located, or you would have quoted me. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Not sure how much separation between "one of the best QBs in the league" and a "top 5 QB," but here you go:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2531191&postcount=28

 

[Duckjake]

Hey, Teboners:

Craig Krenzel was 3-0 with the Bears at one time.

Tom Tupa won two consecutive road games with the Cards at one time.