Jim Jackson anyone ?

[Nick_30]

Has anybody seen Jim Jackson lately? He seems to have disappeared. But I did see someone wearing his jersey this year. Bricking shot after shot after shot. And upon closer inspection IT IS JIM JACKSON!! ( Sigh )

Man what happen to this guy. We needed him to step up this year with Amare out, and he goes out and does this. Then complains about playing time. Maybe just maybe make a shot jimmy. (27% from 2, 24 % from 3) He was a huge piece for us last year, now he just needs to go. Sick of seeing him in there. Rather have Thompson in there instead. Jeez. If he cant shoot, we have no need for him. And its not like he doesnt get good looks either, I have seen many wideopen shots that are not even close. Shape up or ship out Jimmy!

 

[DaFlogger]

He's probably not use to being on the same team two seasons in a row.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

Has anybody seen Jim Jackson lately? He seems to have disappeared. But I did see someone wearing his jersey this year. Bricking shot after shot after shot. And upon closer inspection IT IS JIM JACKSON!! ( Sigh )

Man what happen to this guy. We needed him to step up this year with Amare out, and he goes out and does this. Then complains about playing time. Maybe just maybe make a shot jimmy. (27% from 2, 24 % from 3) He was a huge piece for us last year, now he just needs to go. Sick of seeing him in there. Rather have Thompson in there instead. Jeez. If he cant shoot, we have no need for him. And its not like he doesnt get good looks either, I have seen many wideopen shots that are not even close. Shape up or ship out Jimmy!

He is just in a funk he'll shoot out of it trust me.

 

[F-Dog]

It's bad enough that Jim Jax is missing all of his shots, but he's also forcing the action whenever he's on the court--he's making dumb, team-killing plays left and right, exactly the opposite of what you'd expect from a veteran.


It's hard to reconcile the Jackson who was playing so well in last year's playoffs with the one who's playing so badly this year. It's not like he's become significantly less athletic in the last six or seven months.

 

[Amare32]

It's sad what he has become. He was so huge in the Dallas series.

what has happened

 

[Errntknght]

What happened was that coach D'Antoni put James Jones in the starting lineup instead of JJax at the beginning of the season. That's serious lack of respect for what JJax did for the team last year and a wise coach would have avoided it - and what had Jones ever done for the Suns or even for the Pacers? If Mike had started JJax like he should have and Jimmy played like crap or if he played okay but Jones played much better then he'd have merited losing his starting spot and he'd have understood and accepted it. He'd know he had better put in some hard work getting his game in shape, too.

There are players who are great in practice and there are ones that aren't - and many longtime vets are in the second category. Coaches have to wary of letting what they see in practice override what they've learned about how players do in games that count. It looks like D'Antoni fell into that trap and it certainly didn't do Jones any good as he started out the season playing like he was prima donna who didn't need to get his hands dirty. Who really knows if that is what caused JJax to play so much worse than he did last year but it's a better explanation than anything else I've heard - so I'm sticking to it.

 

[carrrnuttt]

What happened was that coach D'Antoni put James Jones in the starting lineup instead of JJax at the beginning of the season. That's serious lack of respect for what JJax did for the team last year and a wise coach would have avoided it.

You DO know that the early-season starting line-ups are based largely on training-camp performance right? Makes me wonder what/how Jim "vets-don't-need-training-camp" Jackson did last summer...

 

[devilalum]

What happened was that coach D'Antoni put James Jones in the starting lineup instead of JJax at the beginning of the season. That's serious lack of respect for what JJax did for the team last year and a wise coach would have avoided it - and what had Jones ever done for the Suns or even for the Pacers? If Mike had started JJax like he should have and Jimmy played like crap or if he played okay but Jones played much better then he'd have merited losing his starting spot and he'd have understood and accepted it. He'd know he had better put in some hard work getting his game in shape, too.

There are players who are great in practice and there are ones that aren't - and many longtime vets are in the second category. Coaches have to wary of letting what they see in practice override what they've learned about how players do in games that count. It looks like D'Antoni fell into that trap and it certainly didn't do Jones any good as he started out the season playing like he was prima donna who didn't need to get his hands dirty. Who really knows if that is what caused JJax to play so much worse than he did last year but it's a better explanation than anything else I've heard - so I'm sticking to it.

Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a 35 YEAR OLD shooting guard?

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[sly fly]

What happened was that coach D'Antoni put James Jones in the starting lineup instead of JJax at the beginning of the season. That's serious lack of respect for what JJax did for the team last year and a wise coach would have avoided it - and what had Jones ever done for the Suns or even for the Pacers? If Mike had started JJax like he should have and Jimmy played like crap or if he played okay but Jones played much better then he'd have merited losing his starting spot and he'd have understood and accepted it. He'd know he had better put in some hard work getting his game in shape, too.

There are players who are great in practice and there are ones that aren't - and many longtime vets are in the second category. Coaches have to wary of letting what they see in practice override what they've learned about how players do in games that count. It looks like D'Antoni fell into that trap and it certainly didn't do Jones any good as he started out the season playing like he was prima donna who didn't need to get his hands dirty. Who really knows if that is what caused JJax to play so much worse than he did last year but it's a better explanation than anything else I've heard - so I'm sticking to it.

That's weak.

You have no idea what kind of shape mentally and physically Jimmy Jackson came into camp with.

I do know that he wasn't ready to play when called upon.

And, if you're a veteran who gives a damn, you're not going to throw up crappy game after crappy game when the coach calls your name.

 

[CaptainInsano]

He was our 6th man coming off the bench last year and he did great. I thought it was minutes but he had a year in sacramento where he got 20 minutes a game and still put up good numbers.

I guess he needs bare minimum 20 minutes a game for a stretch of games before he starts to become productive. If Amare comes back with our current lineup that is impossible.

 

[JCSunsfan]

He was our 6th man coming off the bench last year and he did great. I thought it was minutes but he had a year in sacramento where he got 20 minutes a game and still put up good numbers.

I guess he needs bare minimum 20 minutes a game for a stretch of games before he starts to become productive. If Amare comes back with our current lineup that is impossible.

Then he might as well retire.

He's not starter material anymore, especially on this team, and we cannot afford to have guys on the bench that need their pump primed like that.

He is playing so horribly lately, that you have to wonder if there is an injury problem that is not being made public.

 

[JS22]

What happened was that coach D'Antoni put James Jones in the starting lineup instead of JJax at the beginning of the season. That's serious lack of respect for what JJax did for the team last year and a wise coach would have avoided it - and what had Jones ever done for the Suns or even for the Pacers? If Mike had started JJax like he should have and Jimmy played like crap or if he played okay but Jones played much better then he'd have merited losing his starting spot and he'd have understood and accepted it. He'd know he had better put in some hard work getting his game in shape, too.

There are players who are great in practice and there are ones that aren't - and many longtime vets are in the second category. Coaches have to wary of letting what they see in practice override what they've learned about how players do in games that count. It looks like D'Antoni fell into that trap and it certainly didn't do Jones any good as he started out the season playing like he was prima donna who didn't need to get his hands dirty. Who really knows if that is what caused JJax to play so much worse than he did last year but it's a better explanation than anything else I've heard - so I'm sticking to it.

Hey. Long time no see.

 

[jibikao]

Now, how would you compare:

James Jones VS JJax?

Eddie House VS JJax?

Bell VS JJax?

Diaw VS JJax?


I mean it looks like all these guys can replace JJax any day. I think that's where the problem is. When we need JJax after Jones, Barbosa went down, he can't put up a great game for us. He did have some ok game during the losing streak but that was it. He can't make open shots and he can't defend as well as Bell.

You wonder why Eddie House plays a bit more? Because he can provide what this team needs = Offense. Offense seems to be the only thing that motivates this team. JJax has failed again and again. Eddie House can't do anything well except for Scoring.

However, I don't think we should trade JJax. He may play a lot better in playoffs just like Horry usually does.

 

[nowagimp]

Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a 35 YEAR OLD shooting guard?

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Bingo!! We have a winner here! I think that it is just a matter of time, and much less time for a 35 year old, who is on a running team that now defends more aggresively than last year. This all takes energy and the shooting guard, small forward positions are the first to age in the NBA. It was really rather remarkable that JJack was that good in last years playoffs. He may still have something in the tank, but not if he plays 25 mins a game for the whole season. The first thing to go in a jump shooter like JJack is the legs. When the legs go, the shot goes. It might be that he is just not in good shape yet and may take some time to get back. It also might be that he is not coming back, the years have taken their toll. At any rate, D'Antoni knew JJack would not be able to play substantial minutes all year, but might be able to perform well in the playoffs in a more limited role. He certainly is not a starter at this stage of his career, especially for a running team like the suns. That is why jones started this year instead of JJack. For a shooter like JJack to be shooting this many bricks, he must have lost his legs.

 

[jibikao]

Holy!!! I almost forgot he is 35 years old! darn.

 

[devilalum]

Holy!!! I almost forgot he is 35 years old! darn.

Jackson is so old that there was once a rumor that the Suns were going to him as part of a trade for Barkley .

 

[Joe Mama]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was 34 going on 35 last year. I just think he's in a bit of a slump... okay a major slump because of the inconsistent and at times nonexistent minutes he's been getting.

If he started playing 25 minutes every game he would get back into the zone. That said, if James Jones and others are healthy I would rather see them getting the minutes.

Joe

 

[Errntknght]

Welcome back, Joe.

In most situations I'd agree that Jones and younger bench players in general should get minutes ahead of JJax but since we may well be in title contention I think it would be smart to keep Jimmie getting enough time to stay sharp. He performed well for us in the playoffs and we don't how well the young guns will do under that pressure.

I know there's got to a limit on how long you keep him playing if he's doing badly but he is showing signs of coming around in the recent games so I think it's early to write him off yet.

As for those who think it's simply his age catching up with him, we'll see. Jimmie hasn't logged heavy minutes for most of his career and he hasn't been injured much that I know of so he is probably in better physical condition than a typical NBA player at his age - though I have no idea what he does with himself in the offseason, which could play a significant role. If someone actually knows about that, feel free to share it, but speculation about that based on his shooting percentage is pretty pure speculation. I'd rather speculate that he's going to play about like he's one year older than he was last year.

Actually, the legs aren't always the first thing to go - the psyche can go at any age and with proper care it can return.

 

[ProdigalSun]

I thought Jimmy Jax played his best game of the season last night. Yeah he didn't shoot all that much from the perimeter, but he was doing the little things like playing tough defense, keeping the offense flowing, and even had a couple aggresive drives to the hoop. I'm still holding out hope that Jimmy comes around, because his poise under pressure could be huge for this team in the playoffs.

 

[nowagimp]

Welcome back, Joe.

In most situations I'd agree that Jones and younger bench players in general should get minutes ahead of JJax but since we may well be in title contention I think it would be smart to keep Jimmie getting enough time to stay sharp. He performed well for us in the playoffs and we don't how well the young guns will do under that pressure.

I know there's got to a limit on how long you keep him playing if he's doing badly but he is showing signs of coming around in the recent games so I think it's early to write him off yet.

As for those who think it's simply his age catching up with him, we'll see. Jimmie hasn't logged heavy minutes for most of his career and he hasn't been injured much that I know of so he is probably in better physical condition than a typical NBA player at his age - though I have no idea what he does with himself in the offseason, which could play a significant role. If someone actually knows about that, feel free to share it, but speculation about that based on his shooting percentage is pretty pure speculation. I'd rather speculate that he's going to play about like he's one year older than he was last year.

Actually, the legs aren't always the first thing to go - the psyche can go at any age and with proper care it can return.

I'm gonna agree and disagree. I agree keep him fresh(not too many minutes) for the playoffs as he is an experienced, proven clutch player.

I think it is his age: It will take longer to get into shape, but he cant push it too much, or he'll wear out too soon. There arent many(are there any at all?) 35 year old swing men getting major minutes in the NBA. JJack has always had the rep of really taking care of himself, physically. He has even refused to play because of injury, and paid the price. Maybe he can play at 35 the way others could not because he takes care of himself, and because of his limited career minutes.

I still believe the legs go first, especially with a veteran, pure jumpshooter like JJack who has very established shot mechanics. He is being defended tighter on the perimeter this year, perhaps taking more rushed shots, because of the injury to Amare, and he is being required to use more defensive energy due to the change in strategy this year, hence the legs will tire faster than last year. I'll bet his confidence in his shot has always been pretty good, being such an outstanding shooter over the long haul. Maybe if he were a younger player his confidence would go, but this guy has a great looking shot and it has looked the same(mechanics) for a long time. I doubt he has even tinkered with his mechanics in many years.

I do expect we will find out, probably about March, how ready he will be to deliver in the playoffs. I am not saying he is done, but a 35 years is pretty old for a 2-3 in the NBA.

 

[nowagimp]

speaking of age and longevity in the NBA:

As of last year, the tenth oldest player in the NBA was 36.3 years old. Of the top ten oldest, only Reggie Miller was a starter, at 39.


Here is that list, and on it, only miller and Darrel Armstrong were in the 1-3 category PG, SG, SF. Its mostly made of big stiffs. Life comes at you fast in the NBA, especially at the 1-3 positions..

Kevin Willis Atlanta 42.1 Reggie Miller Indiana 39.1
Dikembe Mutombo Houston 38.3 Clifford Robinson Golden State 37.8
Derrick ColemanDetroit 37.4 Tony Massenburg San Antonio 37.3
Ervin Johnson Minnesota 36.8 Vlade DivacL.A. Lakers 36.7
Scott WilliamsCleveland 36.6 Darrell Armstrong New Orleans 36.3

 

[Errntknght]

I won't dispute your general contention that legs go first for jumpshooters - that is also said about boxers so it's at least conventional wisdom. Fine motor control also deteriorates with age and the longer shots you shoot the more important that is, so that may be more significant than legs but how would one separate the two effects as you cannot age each one independent of the other?

I'm a strong believer in psychology and confidence in general... for one thing I can see the effect in my own life. For example, I'm now in the process of solving a previously unsolved math problem. (That is what mathematicians do.) It happens to be a problem that you can test whatever theory you have via computer simulation and with some fortuitous guesses I came up with an idea that the computer simulations said worked. Naturally that boosted my confidence greatly and I stuck with it for months where I probably would have decided it was beyond me much earlier otherwise. Whether I eventually finish it is up in the air as yet but there's no question in my mind that the progress I've made is due to the confidence that I was on the right track. In this particular case my GF has asked me at various times what I thought my chances of solving it were and I tried to give good estimates. It started at 1 in 100,000 and after the simulations worked it was 1/100... now it's 1/2.

I also tutor people in math and I discovered long ago that people's brains are hard wired to do math but they can't do it because of lack of confidence. I spend almost no time teaching them math, I just work on building their confidence. I also discovered that if you go about it wrong you can so shake their confidence that they turn pale if you ask them what 2 plus 2 is equal to.

 

[nowagimp]

I won't dispute your general contention that legs go first for jumpshooters - that is also said about boxers so it's at least conventional wisdom. Fine motor control also deteriorates with age and the longer shots you shoot the more important that is, so that may be more significant than legs but how would one separate the two effects as you cannot age each one independent of the other?

I'm a strong believer in psychology and confidence in general... for one thing I can see the effect in my own life. For example, I'm now in the process of solving a previously unsolved math problem. (That is what mathematicians do.) It happens to be a problem that you can test whatever theory you have via computer simulation and with some fortuitous guesses I came up with an idea that the computer simulations said worked. Naturally that boosted my confidence greatly and I stuck with it for months where I probably would have decided it was beyond me much earlier otherwise. Whether I eventually finish it is up in the air as yet but there's no question in my mind that the progress I've made is due to the confidence that I was on the right track. In this particular case my GF has asked me at various times what I thought my chances of solving it were and I tried to give good estimates. It started at 1 in 100,000 and after the simulations worked it was 1/100... now it's 1/2.

I also tutor people in math and I discovered long ago that people's brains are hard wired to do math but they can't do it because of lack of confidence. I spend almost no time teaching them math, I just work on building their confidence. I also discovered that if you go about it wrong you can so shake their confidence that they turn pale if you ask them what 2 plus 2 is equal to.

I totally agree with the confidence and math connection. I have a doctorate in advanced mathematical applications in spectroscopy. Sounds like you are having fun with your studies. I also concur with your assessment of the failure to separate the effects of potentially co-linear variables, in this instance, loss of motor function and confidence.

The reason I suspect JJack's legs is that he has been such a good jump shooter over his career and it would seem that loss of confidence would not be the first effect when the shot isn't going down. After a whole bunch of bricks, he probably would lose confidence. He also seems to be moving sluggishly, which is consistent with " losing his legs".

 

[JCSunsfan]

I also concur with your assessment of the failure to separate the effects of potentially co-linear variables, in this instance, loss of motor function and confidence.

Only on this board could JimJ's problem be described this way.

I would be really curious to know what college degrees (and in what fields) are represented by regular posters on this board.

Maybe I'll do a poll.

 

[newfan101]

Only on this board could JimJ's problem be described this way.

I would be really curious to know what college degrees (and in what fields) are represented by regular posters on this board.

LOL

I love the insightfulness on this board, though sometimes I think some of the more educated posters could use a refresher course on Occam's Razor.